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zedprime: Jun 9, 2007; yospos

Leperflesh posted:

During the stoppage, managers are doing the jobs of the workers, which is obviously perfectly safe and not a problem at all, one assumes.

Process Safety Management requires formal training for any operations job on covered processes (ie everything in a refinery) so scabs are technically held to the same standards as any green operator. Pay no attention that formal training isn't independently accredited and the main criteria during safety audits is "training exists y/n."

Management and engineer scabs are usually sufficient for normal operation but it starts getting terrifying on safety and efficiency standpoints during start-ups or preparing for major maintenance work. If something goes on long enough there's contract scabs too, which can know a lot about chemical operations to help during the crazier stuff, while coming along with the baggage that there's often a reason they are doing contract work and don't have permanent employment.

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# ¿ May 21, 2024 04:28

zedprime: Jun 9, 2007; yospos

Minrad posted:

I dunno I'd pay a few cents on the gallon if it means I'm not filling my tank with gasoline harvested from the corpses of a hundred oil workers.

Not to demean improved safety since its a separate and easier to address issue, but never read Private Empire, oil's human toll from geopolitics dwarfs a dozen workers in as many years.

# ¿ Feb 4, 2015 04:13

zedprime: Jun 9, 2007; yospos

He's wearing a fall protection harness and its hard to see what its attached to, but its speculation at that point whether he's wearing it right. Instead we can criticize the job planning in assuming the path to carry the unit was clear, otherwise this probably should have involved a block and tackle.

Jabor posted:

Those windows on the rooms down at the bottom don't seem like they'd get much in the way of natural light.

Aren't mini courtyards like these more of a lip service to building codes thing for ventilation and whatever?

# ¿ Feb 5, 2015 14:52

zedprime: Jun 9, 2007; yospos

Crazy Ted posted:

As good a place as any to post this:

One thousand accidents in three years. The plant was literally having a serious accident every day for three years

That explains why my couch is falling apart after a couple years, its made for pennies by woodworkers fearful for their lives

# ¿ Feb 6, 2015 01:03

zedprime: Jun 9, 2007; yospos

Genocide Tendency posted:

I'm looking at this thinking there is a reason.

Tell me that they are using the purge pressure to turn that motor and generate electricity for that socket at the end.

Because everything else ends in Donetsk chemical plantesqe glory.

You're over thinking it, the reason is companies wonder "how do we label all this bullshit without paying anyone overtime" and the answer usually ends up being "we'll let the trainees do it, they are tracing the lines anyway."

# ¿ Feb 9, 2015 16:29

zedprime: Jun 9, 2007; yospos

Minrad posted:

There was a building at work with a few extra doors leading to (site, not public) streets that they didn't want to put a railing or bollard up for because there were other doors with railings or bollards 4 steps away. Instead of locking or otherwise disabling, at some point in history they were hooked up to alarms which were since disabled in favor of other alarm systems and probably because people forgot why they were turned into emergency only in the first place. This is where I get to admit I'm awful at safety because I abused the hell out of those doors to save 4 steps all the time.

Anyway its tough to tell from the one picture because that could be anything from Triangle Shirtwaist to a prank. Even without the lock its the worst emergency exit ever because there's a turn handle instead of a pushbar and the signage is a low visibility copy machine printout, though to be fair maybe there's a lighted sign out of frame?

# ¿ Feb 25, 2015 03:53

zedprime: Jun 9, 2007; yospos

MrYenko posted:

Basic electrical knowledge and discharging a fire extinguisher should be prerequisites for graduating high school. Ive heard of people not retrieving and using an extinguisher because they're more afraid of firing it than they are of the fire.

Yeah, unless everyone's had hands on, fire extinguishers are somewhere between safety theater and an insurance numbers game. You still get an insurance break because hey who knows maybe someone who has used an extinguisher will be near when a fire breaks out. But if everyone's only seen the PASS powerpoint, the natural response is "now is not the time to learn how this extinguisher works." Or else they give it a try and end up getting fooled by some portion of the tamper seal, pin, or discharge mechanism because their brain is soaked in adrenaline.

# ¿ Feb 25, 2015 19:04

zedprime: Jun 9, 2007; yospos

aidoru posted:

They don't say who was injured, just what the person was doing at the time and their department. My company is nuts about getting everyone to report every single tiny incident, but I just don't see the point in telling the whole company when someone hurt their toe tripping on a tire.

Its Friday night, are you guys ready for some corporate speak or what.

Its lean management stuff, where your individual teams are supposed to discuss the event and look at ways to continuously improve your work processes or worksite to prevent similar things from happening to you.

OK, less douchey time. To put it simply, they want to make sure noones going to gently caress up in exactly the same way and have the excuse to fire your rear end if you end up doing the exact same thing.

# ¿ Feb 28, 2015 00:11

zedprime: Jun 9, 2007; yospos

Haruharuharuko posted:

I'd be more concerned if a van window was an integral portion of the shipping protection of infectious placarded materials, but the idea of AIDs infected sharps flying out the window as a van hits bumps is otherwise an entertaining image.

# ¿ Mar 4, 2015 04:39

zedprime: Jun 9, 2007; yospos

DiHK posted:

You are unworthy: the bar he is holding along the top of the intake stops the grinding. It is designed specifically to let you put your foot in it.

like your mouth/posts/mom

I thought it was more to kill it if you get caught by a limb when feeding long pieces of wood. Killing it after it nips your toes off seems like a pyrrhic victory.

# ¿ Mar 13, 2015 22:18

zedprime: Jun 9, 2007; yospos

Spookydonut posted:

Why even give insurance in flood plains?

Insuring a geologic flood plain is pretty easy money because barring anything much crazier happening with global warming, you know exactly how often the areas going to get hosed up based on elevations and silt deposits. The sob stories end up because anything that isn't beach front and in 100 year or less plain ends up being cheap to buy because the middle class understands the insurance will be killer, but the low class sees cheap property but can't pay the flood insurance.

The insurance company sob stories are because we haven't really started to understand what our suburban expansion in the 50s-70s has done so you have public works like roads and storm drains sending water to what should be geologically isolated, and reclaimed wetlands meaning that water must be going somewhere else now.

# ¿ Mar 17, 2015 13:57

zedprime: Jun 9, 2007; yospos

Minrad posted:

The internet would not be so rapido if they had to wait for a bucket truck to hook work on the overhead lines.

# ¿ Mar 22, 2015 03:13

zedprime: Jun 9, 2007; yospos

flosofl posted:

I don't know, zoomed in it *really* looks like it's wrapped around the ladder rung by his knee.

Its woven through everything

# ¿ Mar 22, 2015 22:33

zedprime: Jun 9, 2007; yospos

FrankeeFrankFrank posted:

What would you do if your fire extinguishers kept getting stolen?

I'm trying to decide which is more likely, being the end of a hilarious real world telephone game where a "tamper proof enclosure" was specified and that poo poo happened instead of more popular commercially available options or even just replacing the lock with a purpose made plastic seal, or because the extinguishers were actually getting stolen, at least locally - fire codes and insurance require permanent extinguishers at certain places so those are usually placed off limits for incidental protection purposes like hot work in favor of maintenance departments having a store of portable extinguishers and requiring contractors to provide their own.

# ¿ Mar 27, 2015 13:58

zedprime: Jun 9, 2007; yospos

haveblue posted:

But that was before we knew about the cancer, right? Or was it like leaded gas where there was a multi-decade lobbying effort to sustain it?

It was a lot of "pinky swear, this is the safe asbestos" but safe asbestos turns into dangerous asbestos if you take some tools to it. Also a lot of times it wasn't the safe asbestos.

Like DDT, asbestos is too beautiful for a world full of capitalists.

# ¿ Apr 13, 2015 20:11

zedprime: Jun 9, 2007; yospos

theflyingexecutive posted:

but he's holding the killbar explicitly designed for that purpose

Think about your plan for a second. At what point do you let go of the killbar in this situation? When your toes are already 10 feet ahead in the truck?

# ¿ Apr 16, 2015 13:44

zedprime: Jun 9, 2007; yospos

StarkingBarfish posted:

This is why there are now two radiation hazard symbols. This is the one we're all familiar with:

This one you are certain never to have seen before in use:

The intention of the first is to warn you that there is a radiation hazard nearby and that you should be familiar with and take all necessary precautions. If you can see the first sign, you are under no immediate danger. The second sign indicates 'you have hosed up. If you can see this you are right now being exposed to hazardous levels radiation '. This signage is new as of 2007, and was made after extensive research as an answer to the goiania incident. The problem with the first sign is that few people actually know what it means, while in the second the skull and bones and the gtfo are much easier to understand. The red sign would be behind the safety shielding such that anyone breaking into it for scrap would see this sign physically close to the source of immediate danger. You can read a little more about it here: https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/news/new-symbol-launched-warn-public-about-radiation-dangers-0

Jokes on the IAEA. As a looter when I see a skull, I think "better be careful, this is valuable!"

# ¿ Apr 16, 2015 15:25

zedprime: Jun 9, 2007; yospos

ekuNNN posted:

A bunch of russians drive through a wildfire
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpwJJnC7MuM

Hazard lights going while your roof is on fire is a nice touch, A+ for added safety.

# ¿ Apr 16, 2015 21:18

zedprime: Jun 9, 2007; yospos

Serrath posted:

Last week I was filling up my car and talking on my phone at the same time when the guy inside shut off the pump. I didn't know if it was broken or shut off so I went into the store to ask and he said he shut it off because he was worried a spark caused by my phone might ignite the fuel vapour.

I'm upset that mythbusters didn't test this theory when they tested the cigarette myth because now I have no way of knowing whether using my phone while filling up could kill me

Dont stare too hard at the gas pump situation. If regulatory agencies were going to be totally consistent about gas pumps, we'd need far more instruction and/or turning every state into Oregon and New Jersey. Pumping an explosion capable carcinogen into your car is the closest most people will ever get to be to a chemical plant operator.

Gorilla Salad posted:

If you're in Australia, it's actually federal law that no unshielded electrical device can be used at a refuelling station. Within 5m of a bowser at any time and within 8m of one dispensing fuel.

Well, unless the elctrical device is classified as intrinsically safe, a category which wholly excludes rf and microwave emitters/receivers.

Honestly though, the biggest risk with phones is people being so distracted that they do something stupid. But as long the law's in place, the chumps behind the counter are obliged to switch off the pump.

Of course, given the lovely training most places have (and lovely staff), they just tell them phones=fire and leave it at that.

Unless Australis is being particularly strict about intrinsically safe there are intrinsically safe cell phones. Hope you like paying smart phone prices for a feature phone. Not because of any sort of fancy technology: the data collection going into certification is pretty intense.

# ¿ Apr 19, 2015 05:43

zedprime: Jun 9, 2007; yospos

No you're looking too closely you're going to realize we have been the osha.jpg all along.

Its hard to argue about solid state electronics failing just right to set off a gas fire when cars are bundles of wires begging to spark. But A. noone wants to pay money to prove the first part so they just go the low liability route and say no phones at the pump and B. the second part comes with the territory with wanting to refuel a car.

When you get gas, do you orient yourself to the location of the emergency shutdown or attendant who would be able to affect a shutdown? Have you never dribbled a bit of gas down the side of your car? Remember to discharge your static every time? For being technically flammable, gas' comparative difficulty in actually catching fire is probably a big reason why there aren't gas station catastrophes every other week.

# ¿ Apr 19, 2015 19:50

zedprime: Jun 9, 2007; yospos

CollegeCop posted:

As someone already said, they did test this. Even when they purposely damaged the phone, they could not get a cell phone to cause an explosion.

Several years ago I read something on another forum that might be total B.S,. but it makes sense. When cell phones started getting popular, BP changed their training for gas delivery drivers, forbidding the use of cell phones while pumping from the truck into the underground tank. This was to make sure the driver was paying attention when transferring the gas, not because the cell phone would cause an explosion. Word got out about the cell phone ban, but not the reason behind it, and people just assumed it was because of an explosion hazard.

Why doesn't that reason apply to people pumping gas into their car?

# ¿ Apr 20, 2015 14:39

zedprime: Jun 9, 2007; yospos

The wires should be confirmed compatible and going through a gland of some sort.

That sort of thing is common enough firewalls are a bit of a sad depressing joke among anybody doing the specifying for a firewall and at a certain point a lot of people just assume someone is going to punch through it without asking anybody what they actually should be doing.

# ¿ Apr 25, 2015 08:24

zedprime: Jun 9, 2007; yospos

Jose posted:

why is there not a barrier

How would that guy get to work on time if there was a barrier in the way?

# ¿ May 17, 2015 13:58

zedprime: Jun 9, 2007; yospos

G-Mach posted:

When I first join my current company that is in a related food field it didn't have LOTO period. Let that loving sink in for a minute. The company has been in business for 75 years with hundreds of employees and didn't have any lock out tag out program.

The 75 year history is kind of misleading. Even as late as the 80s and 90s looks like lawless anarchy compared to today even from a compulsory standpoint. On top of the formative rules of what we think of as modern workplace rules coming into effect relatively late into the 80s, hitting the letter of the regulations by 2010 is a relatively progressive pace because audits didn't start bearing their teeth until the 00s.

E. To make sure we're on the same page it was a separate problem of fines not registering on a scale to make things happen, we are talking the auditors saying "oh you rascals. You're working on a loto procedure right?" and taking yes for an answer for a decade straight.

zedprime fucked around with this message at 03:45 on May 22, 2015

# ¿ May 22, 2015 03:43

zedprime: Jun 9, 2007; yospos

Marshmallow Blue posted:

How strong do you have to be to lift a ladder and a ~200 pound man on said ladder from falling to their death (maybe) with just one arm and no help from your back. My guess is hella strong but I'm no scientist.

The ladder is vertically constrained at the top and base. He is (pretending) to balance it to keep it horizontally constrained while ladder guy gets into place.

# ¿ May 22, 2015 16:16

zedprime: Jun 9, 2007; yospos

Darth123123 posted:

Ok let's go back. Do you know what STOP* bar does?

* there's a hint in here

Have you ever thought through the chain of events? Because its a little late to let go after you lose your toes.

The stop bar is in case you are caught by errant tree limbs. Body parts entering the hopper is not advised.

e.

Raskolnikov38 posted:

having never used a wood chipper before, is there a reason why the horizontal loading ones aren't sloped?

The horizontal ones are made for long tree branches or trunks that you don't want to lift any further off the ground than necessary. That picture is technically an example of wrong tool for the job for feeding small hunks of wood but landscapers work on such a small margin its hard to be that angry, and its generally fine as long as you feed with a 2x4 or broom you don't particularly like.

zedprime fucked around with this message at 22:51 on May 22, 2015

# ¿ May 22, 2015 22:39

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Shalebridge Cradle posted:

TBF I'd be pretty angry if I got exposed to cum at work

Its hard to argue why they shouldn't be held to similar standards as other jobs working with bodily fluids. The biggest obstacle will be talking about porn work practices is hilarious. Like committees on investigating if the male actors have had enough training to keep their loads constrained to a target.

I can't decide if its a bunch of puritans trying to kill the Californian porn scene without realizing OSHA maybe doesn't have the right teeth for the job, or a roundabout way to hire more OSHA inspectors for lower pay with promises they might get to audit a porn studio.

# ¿ May 28, 2015 03:50

zedprime: Jun 9, 2007; yospos

Ursine Asylum posted:

I'd say you have an argument if there was literally anything else that porn had in common with "other jobs working with bodily fluids", especially since most of them explicitly involve "working with the bodily fluids of people who are probably there because they're contagiously sick". Let me know when you find the holistic doctor who starts off his appointments by having you piss in his face and/or giving you a rimjob because "he knows what healthy tastes like".

Maybe they're just getting ideas from that UK facesitting ban?

Would you personally certify every load blown being safe? That could be an avenue under jizz work practice control.

While we are laying the ground work here, maybe we could get the load blowing ISO9001 certified. You know, codify the sexual habits that keep your load safe, and the diet that keeps it copious and milky white.

# ¿ May 28, 2015 12:48

zedprime: Jun 9, 2007; yospos

axolotl farmer posted:

it would be rocketing around from the pressure of the gas inside the cylinder, not some kind of explosive combustion.

looks like the rocket fuel is spent when they try to blow out the flame, so the combustible material around the oxygen cylinder is...some grass and a rubber hose?

Its plastic trim on the regulator. Anything wetted should be incredibly resilient to burning if they have the right regulator so there's nothing super dangerous going on by that point. His balls probably go clang clang because from the foresight of watching a youtube video years removed I'd have rather hit it with an extinguisher or blanket in case there was a small leak but nothing was anywhere near exploding or flying about except the poorly assembled rocket engine which had already flamed out.

e. You could probably chuck that whole oxygen rig in a bonfire and have enough time to get bored before anything outrageous happened.

zedprime fucked around with this message at 13:49 on May 31, 2015

# ¿ May 31, 2015 13:32

zedprime: Jun 9, 2007; yospos

Munin posted:

Is there any system out there which is set up to allow you take the fuses out of the circuit as easily as you would flip off a circuitbreaker and is set up for lock out and tag out?

Surely that must be reasonably easy to set up?

It becomes an administrative tag out instead of a mechanical lockout in some cases, which depending on the health of your loto culture may be scary because anyone can grab a fuse and stick it in in spite of tags.

Outside of some retarded distributed designs its almost always going to be at a switchbox so a common practice is to pull the fuse and lock the switch, which on most boxes locks access to the fuse housing too.

# ¿ Jun 12, 2015 14:32

zedprime: Jun 9, 2007; yospos

Did you miss where its an Approved Accessory?

# ¿ Jun 17, 2015 04:42

zedprime: Jun 9, 2007; yospos

Leperflesh posted:

Also, never lift anything with a crane.

Any decent safety plan assumes the crane is going to fall over at some point. Depending how much of a stickler the site rules are, designating the area under the boom up to the full swing radius of the boom as no-go for nonessential personnel or essential equipment.

Youtube proves that's a pretty good assumption.

# ¿ Jul 2, 2015 23:01

zedprime: Jun 9, 2007; yospos

FIRST TIME posted:

It would be like requiring a key to engage the emergency stop on a piece of machinery.

Hahaha.

About that...

# ¿ Jul 3, 2015 05:15

zedprime: Jun 9, 2007; yospos

Maybe not to the point of a discount shotgun, but on a certain level I feel like saying "wasn't everybody rich after WW2?" is missing some important facts about the nature of social strata. If nothing else the greatest generation were famously miserly after a depression and war rationing.

# ¿ Jul 3, 2015 05:42

zedprime: Jun 9, 2007; yospos

C.M. Kruger posted:

Most likely. According to the previously posted document a 3 inch mortar has a peak recoil of 290 foot/pounds, which means he got hit in the head with the same energy as a .38 Special glaser.

Its kind of disingenuous to compare energy that way since human anatomy is so far and away into the realm of how you use it. But its probably a reasonable bet that the ergonomics in a drunken stunt weren't the greatest.

# ¿ Jul 6, 2015 13:28

zedprime: Jun 9, 2007; yospos

Three-Phase posted:

I need to sometimes "switch my brain" at work when dealing with valves and breakers.

Closed breaker, on
Closed valve, off

Open breaker, off
Open valve, on

This is the most fun on loto paperwork when someone gets a bug up their rear end that "on" and "off" isn't explicit enough for breakers and tries to get electrical laymen to understand the open/closed terminology is different than for valves.

# ¿ Jul 7, 2015 03:49

zedprime: Jun 9, 2007; yospos

blugu64 posted:

Depends on how much value you put on having fingers.

They apparently aren't necessary to his livelihood if he was able to complete the harvest with them missing. Sounds like he was just trying to get some out of the way for future harvests.

# ¿ Jul 9, 2015 20:47

zedprime: Jun 9, 2007; yospos

Leperflesh posted:

Why do some two-spade (e.g., not grounded) plugs/devices have one spade larger, forcing it to be plugged in in one way and not the other? Is there any actual danger, no matter how slight, to the device or its user, to having it plugged in the other way around?

You know the famous butter knife in the toaster shocking the poo poo out of someone gag? Generally safe now with the size standard. Basically underwriter certified circuits are only really certified for one direction because the easy safety solution is to put the switch nearest to the hot source. If you reverse that then you've got most of the circuit hot even if its switched off.

E. I still wouldn't stick a butter knife in a toaster because backwards receptacles are scarily common.

zedprime fucked around with this message at 04:05 on Jul 17, 2015

# ¿ Jul 17, 2015 04:01

zedprime: Jun 9, 2007; yospos

goodness posted:

Flawless is severe drought for you?

Rain is mildly inconveniencing for driving or working outdoors so in a way it was flawless when California's demand for water could be supplied by imports from other states.

# ¿ Jul 20, 2015 15:54

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# ¿ May 21, 2024 04:28

zedprime: Jun 9, 2007; yospos

Cat Hatter posted:

Hard to tell with the fisheye going on and the artifacts on what should be straight lines. Was this originally two photos that were stitched together?

There's so many strange deflections and discontinuities, the picture was either taken with a cell phone panorama function, or was taken in Russia.

# ¿ Jul 20, 2015 20:50

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