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BlitzkriegOfColour
Aug 22, 2010

VitalSigns posted:

Nah I think Britain's starvation campaigns are borne of jealousy and a deep-seated insecurity about English cooking.

I think in terms of cooking, the English sense of superiority is safe against the swarthy German Menace. Only the Germans could gently caress up food enough to make a salad out of meats.

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BlitzkriegOfColour
Aug 22, 2010

computer parts posted:

Your post was:


The USSR by the mid to late 40s was also a noted shithole run by an authoritarian (that's why 1984 was penned by a socialist!).

1984 wasn't about socialism, George Orwell was actually quite a bit of a dang socialist himself. You Americans just get taught that reading because it's useful as propaganda if misinterpreted in a certain way.

e: misread your post

But still, mid to late 1940's USSR was no more or less a shithole than anywhere else than anywhere else in Europe that had seen fighting. If it was worse, if was because the fighting it had seen was worse, and it did more to save the world from naziism

BlitzkriegOfColour fucked around with this message at 14:11 on Jan 20, 2015

BlitzkriegOfColour
Aug 22, 2010

OwlFancier posted:

Possibly they might be blamed for killing shitloads of people. That seems like a thing you can blame people for.

Can't blame people for famines, that's up to nature.

Unless you mean nazis, in which case you should be licking their balls for saving the world.

Personally, I don't consider nazis to be human.

BlitzkriegOfColour
Aug 22, 2010

davidb posted:

Cuba has been almost no influence on the world other than getting sanctioned.

its possible to believe that. For sure all the purist neckbeards have standards for nation states un attainable in reality. Even though all the cool kids on the internet are contrarian. And its very chic to poo poo on america because it did something. Its naive to think America isnt good and #1. the simple reasons are

1) the most peaceful era of humanity is due to one nation(america) having the one, dominating army so powerful that the rest of the world has demilitarized(for the most part) and the few that still have militaries are so outclassed they just sit at home doing nothing.

2) while they did help put a stop to germany and japan, their more important role was putting the brakes on the soviet union long enough for them to collapse. sparing and freeing countless countries from the rule of the iron curtain.

3) the role model for democracy and capitalism. And because America is so dominant and so #1 other countries try to emulate them. Something that wouldnt happen just because lets say.... britain has democracy, capitalism, thats just not as pursuasive an example to follow. Besides being a role model it also takes active steps to promote democracy/capitalism

whatever complaints we may have against America those 3 things puts the US firmly in the most influential, good, #1 nation in all of history

Cuba, the country which every time there is a natural disaster or epidemic breakout has more doctors on the ground than any other nation, and whose doctors stay there for longer. No influence on the world. None whatsoever.

Wow.

Also:
1) Citation needed
2) Contradicts itself.
3) i) America's role model is Ancient Rome. Therefore it follows that anyone who you assume is following America's lead is actually following Ancient Rome's lead, meaning your admiration is misplaced. You worship Ancient Rome, face it. Paganism is cooler than Christianity anyway, and Rome only started sucking and being boring when it got Christian.
ii) You keep making this claim about spreading democracy, when in fact all America really exports is dictatorship and torture. Pinochet, The Shah - in fact, let's c/p from wikipedia here.

Latin America

Presidents Emílio G. Médici (left) and Richard Nixon, December 1971. A hardliner, Médici sponsored the greatest human rights abuses of Brazil's military regime. During his government, persecution and torture of dissidents, harassment against journalists and press censorship became ubiquitous. A 2014 report by Brazil's National Truth Commission states that the United States was involved with teaching the Brazilian military regime torture techniques.[10]

U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger shaking hands with Augusto Pinochet in 1976.

Porfirio Díaz (Mexico) (1876–1911)[11][12]
Institutional Revolutionary Party (Mexico) (1929–2000)[13]
Juan Vicente Gómez (Venezuela) (1908–35)[14]
Manuel Estrada Cabrera (Guatemala) (1898–1920)[15]
Jorge Ubico (Guatemala) (1931–44)[15]
Fulgencio Batista (Cuba) (1952–59)[16]
Rafael Trujillo (Dominican Republic) (1930–61)[17]
Efraín Ríos Montt and the rest of the military junta in Guatemala (1954–86)[18][19]
Revolutionary Government Junta of El Salvador (1979–82)[20]
Hugo Banzer (Bolivia) (1971–78)[21]
National Reorganization Process (Argentina) (1976–83)[22]
Brazilian military government (1964–85)[10][23]
Somoza family (Nicaragua) (1936–79)[24]
François Duvalier (Haiti) (1957–71)[25]
Jean-Claude Duvalier (Haiti) (1971–86)[25]
Omar Torrijos (Panama) (1968–81)[26]
Manuel Noriega (Panama) (1983–89)[26]
Alfredo Stroessner (Paraguay) (1954–89)[27]
Augusto Pinochet (Chile) (1973–90)[28]

Asia

Current president Barack Obama and First Lady with Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedow of Turkmenistan, September 2009, one of the most repressive regimes in the world,[29] supported with millions of dollars in military aid.
Middle East special envoy Donald Rumsfeld meeting Saddam Hussein on 19–20 December 1983.

Syngman Rhee (South Korea) (1948–60)[31]
Park Chung-hee (South Korea) (1961–79)[32]
Chun Doo-Hwan (South Korea) (1979–88)[33]
Ngo Dinh Diem (South Vietnam) (1955–63)[34]
Lon Nol (Cambodia) (1970–75)[35]
Yahya Khan (Pakistan) (1971)[36][37]
Mohammad Reza Pahlavi (Iran) (1941–79)[38][39]
Ferdinand Marcos (Philippines) (1965–86)[40][41]
Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq (Pakistan) (1978–88)[42]
Saddam Hussein (Iraq) (1982–90)[43]
Suharto (Indonesia) (1967–98)[44]
Truong Tan Sang (Vietnam) (2011–present)[45]
Islam Karimov (Uzbekistan) (1990–present)[45]
Pervez Musharraf (Pakistan) (1999–2008)[46]
Ali Abdullah Saleh (Yemen) (1990–2012)[47]
Emomalii Rahmon (Tajikistan) (1994–present)[45]
Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedow (Turkmenistan) (2006–present)[45]
House of Saud (Saudi Arabia) (1945–present)[48][49][50]
Hamad bin Isa Al Khalifa (Bahrain) (1999–present)[51]
Hamad bin Khalifa Al Thani (Qatar) (1995-2013)[52]
Qaboos bin Said al Said (Oman)[50]

Africa

Mobutu Sese Seko and Richard Nixon in Washington, D.C., 1973.
King Hassan II, predecessors and successors (Morocco) (1777–present)[53]
Gaafar Nimeiry (Sudan) (1969–85)[54]
Samuel Doe (Liberia) (1980–90)[55]
Apartheid South Africa (1948–94)[56]
Meles Zenawi (Ethiopia) (1991–2012)[45]
Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo (Equatorial Guinea) (1979–present)[45]
Mobutu Sese Seko (Democratic Republic of the Congo) (1965–97)[57][58]
Hissène Habré (Chad) (1982–90)[59]
Hosni Mubarak (Egypt) (1981-2011)[60]
Idriss Déby (Chad) (1990–present)[61]
Yoweri Museveni (Uganda) (1986–present)[62]
Zine El Abidine Ben Ali (Tunisia) (1987–2010) [63]
Paul Kagame (Rwanda) (2000–present)[64]
Europe
Francisco Franco (Francoist Spain) (supported from 1959 to 1975).[65]
Greek military junta of 1967–74[66]
António de Oliveira Salazar (Portugal) (from 1932 to 1975)[67]
Turkish millitary junta (Turkey)(1980-1991)[68]

e: Also, note how these days, when not under Soviet rule, everyone is fleeing Poland in droves because it has become such a lovely place to live. Can't walk down the street without meeting a pole in most of England, for example. People were much happier in Poland during the days of the USSR, which is evident in how few of them were fleeing

BlitzkriegOfColour fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Jan 20, 2015

BlitzkriegOfColour
Aug 22, 2010

davidb posted:

Poor countries, full of corruption, bent on committing genocide every other year, who have rejected many efforts to bring them into the 21st century

Dont matter.

Could be yellow, red, brown, white. There are latin american and asian countries that dont matter too.

When they get their poo poo together and step on the world stage then they matter.

#thisistherealworld

Racist lives don't matter. How you die should be violently, alone, and in tremendous pain.

BlitzkriegOfColour
Aug 22, 2010

davidb posted:

Im black who am i racist against? I said poor countries dont matter.

What are you saying. All poor countries are black? Thats racist dude

No you're not. You claimed earlier "Those blacks and Native Americans get special treatment"

You are not black.

Don't say that.

Intersectionality exists anyway, it's not like blacks can't be racist towards foreigners.

A Buttery Pastry posted:

The shadow government of scared Africans running around sneezing on each other.

I thought you said you were Polish?

Also lols, you got pwned.

BlitzkriegOfColour
Aug 22, 2010

davidb posted:

The cost reward and chance of success is too low. These people and muslims are sill too determined to self mutilate

"The inherent nature of the muslim is to self mutilate" - davidb

"The inherent nature of blacks is crime and disorder" - Strom Thurmond

"The inherent nature of the jew is parasitical, he lives leech-like off the corpse of good European society and infects our bloodlines whilst being unable to create anything of value on his own" - A. Hitler

BlitzkriegOfColour
Aug 22, 2010

davidb posted:

Your a confused little thing arent you, its so cute watching the dumb ones struggle.

Your right the muslims are determined to self mutilate. But thats not an inherent late. Europeans were determined to destroy themselves for the past couple hundered years then they exhausted themselves.

Muslims can exhaust themselves. They just need a couple more decades of worldwide isis type bullshit where muslims are beheading muslims before theyll figure out when you fight by thr sword you die by the sword

It's pretty rich when somebody who can't distinguish between were and we're, you're and your, or their, they're and there thinks that someone else is dumb. That's not just typographical errata, it's a legitimate reading comprehension shortfall which most people have overcome by the time they finish grade school.

Is also funny when somebody who lies about their skin colour calls somebody else confused.

Mods, ban this sick filth.

BlitzkriegOfColour fucked around with this message at 17:31 on Jan 21, 2015

BlitzkriegOfColour
Aug 22, 2010

Disinterested posted:

All the same, I'm pretty sure legitimate arguments for intervention can be made. Does anyone think the Balkans in the 90's would have been better off without Western military involvement?

Highly respected academic Noam Chomsky does

BlitzkriegOfColour
Aug 22, 2010

davidb posted:

Never claimed to be an expert on greek history so no thanks Ill skip those books got better things to do. So yeah...how about those barbarians

Hey everyone in this thread, can I suggest putting this guy on ignore? Thread will be better if nobody pays attention to it.

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BlitzkriegOfColour
Aug 22, 2010

A Buttery Pastry posted:

The British were able to encroach on that poo poo because they had actual settlers, instead of forts and a few fur traders. The population disparity was pretty much the same a hundred years earlier.

The British had the most settlers because Britain was a bigger stinkhole than all the other places in Europe. The story of colonists leaving England isn't one of Enlightened Europeans exploring to spread their beneficence with the dirty savage, it's the story of people who were sick of smelling poop everywhere they went, and being held down by their society, trying to escape it.

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