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Luigi Thirty posted:oh boy I sure do want to listen to a laundry list of things that will literally never happen The alternative being a list of bi-partisan compromises that will literally never happen. Pick your poison, I suppose.
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Hot Dog Day #31 posted:I love LOVE the fact that an employer who deigns to pay her employees slightly more than the absolute minimum of what you are legally required to pay your employees gets an invite to this, meanwhile labor activists in Seattle and other areas are actually fighting and succeeding in bringing $15 minimum wages to their areas through the 15Now campaign. But no, that's going just a smidgen too far for Democrats and besides, those are being organized by actual progressives, actual labor activists, and actual leftists who want to help workers get paid what they are worth. Except that $10 is Obama's target, and this is his speech not actual progressives', labor activists', or leftists'. You can complain that he isn't shooting higher but complaining that someone who supports exactly his policies is invited to his speech is silly.
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Stultus Maximus posted:Except that $10 is Obama's target, and this is his speech not actual progressives', labor activists', or leftists'. You can complain that he isn't shooting higher but complaining that someone who supports exactly his policies is invited to his speech is silly. Just so long as we're in agreement that Obama and the Democrats don't share the goals of progressives or working class people.
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Hot Dog Day #31 posted:Just so long as we're in agreement that Obama and the Democrats don't share the goals of progressives or working class people. Well, yeah.
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Luigi Thirty posted:oh boy I sure do want to listen to a laundry list of things that will literally never happen Obama might as well place one knuckle on the desk and a thumb inside his shirt.
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Caros posted:The same reason we don't stand by and idly watch prisoners commit suicide I suppose. Riker's Island was only recently in the news for doing exactly this (again). It can and does happen in the lovely prison system.
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Hot Dog Day #31 posted:I love LOVE the fact that an employer who deigns to pay her employees slightly more than the absolute minimum of what you are legally required to pay your employees gets an invite to this, meanwhile labor activists in Seattle and other areas are actually fighting and succeeding in bringing $15 minimum wages to their areas through the 15Now campaign. But no, that's going just a smidgen too far for Democrats and besides, those are being organized by actual progressives, actual labor activists, and actual leftists who want to help workers get paid what they are worth. Is there enough data available on the cities and States that did raise the minwage showing the effect on job numbers and prices? I have a feeling the difference is negligible but all we ever hear is how raising the minwage will lead to massive layoffs and higher prices. The GOP rebuttal to this should be real easy. All they do is go all My Cousin Vinny on Obama and say "everything that that guy just said is bullshit!"
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BiggerBoat posted:Is there enough data available on the cities and States that did raise the minwage showing the effect on job numbers and prices? I have a feeling the difference is negligible but all we ever hear is how raising the minwage will lead to massive layoffs and higher prices. Not sure, but some googling around about the minimum wage increases in Seattle lead me to an interesting link. http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/07/a-mile-in-shoes-of-the-minimum-wage-worker-109418.html#ixzz3952raHOy Ohio's governor tried to live on minimum wage, promptly failed.
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Hot Dog Day #31 posted:Just so long as we're in agreement that Obama and the Democrats don't share the goals of progressives or working class people. Wow, thank you Captain Obvious.
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PupsOfWar posted:couldn't the President have found a restauranteer who pays their employees more than $10.10/hour? I know there are some. Baby steps. Two baby steps forward, one
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If you're watching the speech in DC tonight, you will see this ad air just prior. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtAKY0VzfS0 It's financed by Tom Steyer, the billionaire Democratic donor and probably CA Senate candidate and narrated, between bong hits presumably, by Woody Harrelson.
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Sheila Jackson-Lee is already sitting in the House chamber. Will Elliot Engel make it in time?  edit: I see from another source that Engel, Elijah Cummings, and Barbara Lee are on the floor. Their aisle seats are saved! 
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SOTU usually only lasts an hour right? That means I'll miss the body because of work but I should be home juuuuust in time for the responses. Don't disappoint me, 2015, I want the possibility of another hilarious username & avatar combination to grab and another socialist cutie delivering awkward messages.
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InequalityGodzilla posted:SOTU usually only lasts an hour right? That means I'll miss the body because of work but I should be home juuuuust in time for the responses. You made me look to see if Sawant or someone else with Socialist Alternative was giving a response this year. I didn't find anything suggesting so but I did see that at least two people have filed to run against her this year, including a "I like liberal causes but let's stop with the demonstrations and promote capitalist growth" social justice organizer and a "she should build coalitions like I did when I fought for gay rights!" Democratic activist. Also an article suggesting that she may be running for a citywide seat instead.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:You made me look to see if Sawant or someone else with Socialist Alternative was giving a response this year. I didn't find anything suggesting so but I did see that at least two people have filed to run against her this year, including a "I like liberal causes but let's stop with the demonstrations and promote capitalist growth" social justice organizer and a "she should build coalitions like I did when I fought for gay rights!" Democratic activist. With the key points Obama says he's going to hit tonight, it would be a bit harder to do a socialist response, because it would boil down to "But is he really going to do it? (no)" or "$10 minimum wage is a start, but $15 is better". I think those kind of response work better when there is an issue that hasn't really been touched on at all that can be brought up to shift the narrative. For whatever reason the Democrats seem to be doing that on their own this year.
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Rand Paul will give the Rand Paul Response to the State of the Union on his YouTube channel tonight at 10pm.
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Joementum posted:Rand Paul will give the Rand Paul Response to the State of the Union on his YouTube channel tonight at 10pm. Will there be any leftist SOTU responses like there was last year with Kshama Sawant?
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The Washington Post has a fun little comparison of States of the Union here. The State of the Union is good. It depends. It is not good.
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I'm going to miss Onion Joe when it comes time to mock the next administration.
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Obama is going to call for the repeal of Citizens United tonight in the State of the Union and will announce a new executive order that requires any company with a federal contract to disclose its political contributions to PACs, Candidates, 501(c)(4)s, ballot measures, Trade Associations, and 527 groups. He will also urge the SEC to adopt a rule this year requiring publicly traded companies to disclose their corporate political contributions (but technically can't make them do anything because the SEC is an independent agency).
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Kshama Sawant will be providing a socialist response at 7:30 PST (immediately following the Republican response).
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:With the tax on the 1% is it something he can do with executive or is he using it as a "well look at these republicans who don't want the wealthy to pay a fair amount?" Weapon Needs congress. NYT says that the Obama tax plan is about getting Republicans on record against it and trying to have a "Democratic Tax Plan" designed by Obama for congressional Dens to use as a blueprint in 2016 so the next President has to address it and gives Obama a chance to influence tax policy after he leaves office.
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Chris Christie posted:Can this Joni Ernst person speak competently or is she going to provide yet another embarrassing GOP response? Well, she believes in Agenda 21, so I wouldn't expect anything more intelligent than "OBAMA BAD, CUTTING OFF HOG BALLS GOOD". As to whether it'll be a Sarah Palin-esque word salad, I don't know--I've never heard her speak.
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Chris Christie posted:Can this Joni Ernst person speak competently or is she going to provide yet another embarrassing GOP response? http://youtu.be/gGjAHnlgQ38?t=1m22s
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Obama is going to call for the repeal of Citizens United tonight in the State of the Union and will announce a new executive order that requires any company with a federal contract to disclose its political contributions to PACs, Candidates, 501(c)(4)s, ballot measures, Trade Associations, and 527 groups. I'd be fine with this kind of stuff as long as we're going to play fair and subject unions to every rule, regulation, limitation etc. related to political contributions by corporations, businesses, trade groups, etc. What is Obama's stance on that???
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Here's her victory speech, you be the judge. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbavUoEcZlo By the way, her response will be broadcast at http://gop.gov/sotu
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If Obama is smiling...quote:Obama’s overall approval rating now sits at 50 percent. Polls Polls Polls
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Joementum posted:Here's her victory speech, you be the judge. Meh. Can string sentences together, but kind of grating. Just a bunch of talking point word salad. No different than what will be delivered by the POTUS though I suppose. I don't know why I hate myself so much, but I'll end up watching both.
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Chris Christie posted:Can this Joni Ernst person speak competently or is she going to provide yet another embarrassing GOP response?
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Chris Christie posted:I'd be fine with this kind of stuff as long as we're going to play fair and subject unions to every rule, regulation, limitation etc. related to political contributions by corporations, businesses, trade groups, etc. What is Obama's stance on that??? Unions are already subject to LM-2 disclosure which is significantly more stringent than the rules Obama is proposing for corporations and much much more stringent than "nothing" which is what corporations have to disclose when they use treasury funds. Here is a quick side by side comparison. http://www.politicalaccountability.net/index.php?ht=a/GetDocumentAction/i/8470
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Unions are already subject to LM-2 disclosure which is significantly more stringent than the rules Obama is proposing for corporations and much much more stringent than "nothing" which is what corporations have to disclose when they use treasury funds. Here is a quick side by side comparison. Cool. Thanks!
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