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The movie fails because it doesn't show him shooting looters from the roof of the astrodome, doesn't show him beating up Jesse Ventura, and doesn't show him killing two carjackers and then having the responding officers call the Pentagon on a secret phone number to explain that everything is cool.
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:Which sounds about right, considering his claimed kill count is more than twice as high as the deadliest snipers in Vietnam. Maybe it's not really a big deal, but I always thought it was kind of odd how many more kills he had than anyone else in Iraq or Afghanistan. Maybe his quote above is full of poo poo, he certainly has no qualms about lying. But his kill count would certainly make more sense if half of the Iraqi population was considered a legitimate target. I forget if it was Chris Kyle himself or another sniper, but I remember a quote something along the lines of 'snipers used to wait days for a shot, in Iraq we waited minutes'
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Jan 26, 2015 19:05
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Smoothrich posted:I just finished rewatching The Pacific where every other line or scene is about killing subhuman savage warrior japs and the hate fear and massive amounts of killing with all the hosed up veterans who survive the experience and get changed for the worse. Where's the liberal moral outrage over those innocent misunderstood imperial Japanese soldiers and the monstrous Marines who wrote memoirs about their service and conditioning to kill? It has admittedly been awhile since I saw it, but I remember being deeply uncomfortable frequently by the actions of the soldiers. American Sniper? Not so much.
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Feb 18, 2015 02:33
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Wade Wilson posted:No, he's right. People cared less about the number of people killed than the fact that somebody flew a plane into each of the buildings and brought them down, striking down the biggest monuments to companies like Morgan Stanley in the country (the company occupied 20 floors in the South Tower and another 10 floors of the North Tower).
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Mar 5, 2015 20:36
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Cole posted:People don't care about either one after a week or so. Except for that decade long period where people rallied behind two false narrative wars and surrendered a ton of personal freedoms in the name of security? I guess we could have all collectively committed suicide out of grief? I mean honestly, what would have been a more lasting impact from that day then what has happened to this country since? I look at this post and see snark, and I apologize. But I am genuinely taken aback by your claim. Memorials have been made, millions have traveled to the site to pay their respects, foreign policy and civil liberties have drastically changed, wars have been waged, once a year there are tributes on tv, the date itself has become permanently attached to the event in a way that literally no other event in our country's history has, etc, etc. People care. And I don't think it's because of Merrill Lynch.
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Mar 5, 2015 22:10
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Cole posted:You might as well ask me what a justified invasion of a country by the US looks like. I mean..... Seriously, please answer the question, because I am at a total loss. You are, of course, correct that people make donations and then go on with their lives - The other option would be for the entire population of this country to lay prostrate in the street wailing in agony and misery for the last 14 years. People go to funerals, and then the next day they are back at work. They clearly didn't care about the loved one they lost.
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Mar 5, 2015 23:49
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Cole posted:Did I slip into mandarin when I said "i don't know"? OK, more directly then - Why should I, as you say, care about the military when I am at Walmart? Because you are absolutely right - When I am at Walmart I care about getting cheap merchandise and trying not to stab the 8th person in the last 5 minutes to bump into me because they weren't watching where they were walking. Why on earth would I care about the military every waking moment of my life? What would that look like? I also can't help but notice this has somehow become about the military, when the original argument was nobody cared about the dead civilians of 9/11. I am sorry if, as a vet you feel underappreciated - For what it's worth, I think American vets are probably the most venerated soldiers of any nation on this earth.
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Mar 6, 2015 00:48
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Cole posted:You shouldn't care directly about the military machine as if it were something related to you (you should care about the individual troops even if you don't agree with the politics that put them wherever they are at -- but the people in charge? gently caress 'em, even I'll say that). That is unrealistic given the climate of Iraq in from 2003 on, and I don't have any expectations of anyone to see the military in a favorable light. You should, however, care that several planes were hijacked and 2,900 people died considering you are indirectly feeling the effects of it right now (you just don't know it because you still have all of the same luxuries you had back then). And you should care about the military response to that, and whether it is justified. But you don't care about any of that, nor will you try to change anything, unless it is convenient. Nobody does. You say I should care about the individual troops, but again, what does that mean in your estimation? Should I be sending care packages? How frequently? You have already indicated one time donations are meaningless gestures. What can individuals do over a 14 year period to show they care? You also seem to think I am unaware of the changes that came about from 9/11 when my original argument was that 9/11 drastically changed civil liberties.
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Mar 6, 2015 01:31
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Armyman25 posted:So, is this movie better or worse than Sniper? And I think it arguably portrays a broken man at least as well as American Sniper, which is pretty damning for the latter.
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Mar 8, 2015 19:34
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Love the tough guy talk as a deflection. Why the gently caress would I be in Fallujah? To prove you're a man, you Prius driving pussy. Until you have killed as many savages as Chris Kyle, you don't deserve to judge him.
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Smoothrich posted:And the spraypainting their logo like a gang tag claiming territory is actually interesting. Psych ops poo poo. They were probably trained in it. So is ISIS. Now, the second an American soldier does something worse than ISIS, I will be the first to consider possibly criticizing them.
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