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Raenir Salazar posted:If Crusader Kings II has taught me anything its that once the brother dies all of that decadence the male sons and nephews have will prompt an immediate decadence rebellion. If looking good and drinking wine with noble women is wrong, I don't want to be right. 
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blowfish posted:* our health care system may or may not be American-levels of hosed up. Come and find out! Yeah dont got there. Their health care system is as bad as the richest nation on earth. Its kinda hosed up when you can say that and everyone will nod in agreement.
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http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=128034 WASHINGTON, Jan. 26, 2015 - The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff has established a research and essay competition in honor of Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah Bin Abdul-Aziz hosted by the National Defense University.
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Tezzor posted:http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=128034 freedom 
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Jan 27, 2015 08:54
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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PT6A posted:Out of curiosity, is there some reason why the crown has been passed from brother to brother, instead of from father to son? The Saudi royal line follows agnatic seniority for succession, as opposed to the agnatic-cognatic or absolutely cognatic primogeniture common in most of Western Europe.
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Jan 27, 2015 17:14
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PT6A posted:Out of curiosity, is there some reason why the crown has been passed from brother to brother, instead of from father to son? The sons (he had dozens) of Abdulaziz, who founded modern KSA, are seen as having more legitimacy than his grandsons. Salman is the last one, and things will be very interesting after him. Soon. Effectronica posted:The Saudi royal line follows agnatic seniority for succession, as opposed to the agnatic-cognatic or absolutely cognatic primogeniture common in most of Western Europe. Has anyone ever called you pretentious? You are more a try-hard, writing English like someone who ate a thesaurus, but hasn't been able to digest it. You should take a laxative and aim your sights lower, because this isn't working for you. You might manage to impress teenagers though, so there's that.
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TheImmigrant posted:Has anyone ever called you pretentious? You are more a try-hard, writing English like someone who ate a thesaurus, but hasn't been able to digest it. You should take a laxative and aim your sights lower, because this isn't working for you. 
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TheImmigrant posted:Has anyone ever called you pretentious? You are more a try-hard, writing English like someone who ate a thesaurus, but hasn't been able to digest it. You should take a laxative and aim your sights lower, because this isn't working for you. That's not pretension. It's just the terminology. Congrats, you've done nothing but seem ignorant and flustered by words you don't understand.
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Smudgie Buggler posted:That's not pretension. It's just the terminology. Congrats, you've done nothing but seem ignorant and flustered by words you don't understand. He's just mad deep in his rear end that I posted room-temperature flames at him.
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Jan 27, 2015 17:36
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TheImmigrant posted:The sons (he had dozens) of Abdulaziz, who founded modern KSA, are seen as having more legitimacy than his grandsons. Salman is the last one, and things will be very interesting after him. Soon. Do you not know we have a Crusader Kings II thread in this forum?
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Thank you for teaching me what agnatic seniority is. I haven't played Crusader Kings, and didn't have any other reason to be familiar with the term. And thank you autocorrect for Agnostic Seņorita. That one actually made me laugh.
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Jan 27, 2015 18:04
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I'll simplify: In Saudi Arabia (country) next ruler oldest man. In Europe (continent) oldest son or daughter ruler. Sometimes just son.
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Jan 27, 2015 18:15
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TheImmigrant must have been a delight in school. "... And this process is called Photosynthesis" "You pretentious dick. What the ever living gently caress, what are you the thesaurus police? Take your fancy made up words and get a real job"
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Jan 27, 2015 18:16
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Wow 'pretentious'? That's a pretty big word, what are you some kinda thesaurus man too good to say "MAKE BRAIN HURTY" like the rest of us? God ever since you learned to walk upright you've just been the biggest poo poo.
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Jan 27, 2015 18:19
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THe only reason goons know these words is Paradox games.
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euphronius posted:THe only reason goons know these words is Paradox games. I know it because I'm like a trainspotter but for monarchies.
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Jan 27, 2015 18:27
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Adroit sesquipedalianism would require aplomb comme il faut.
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TheImmigrant posted:Adroit sesquipedalianism would require aplomb comme il faut. No, it wouldn't and doesn't, and it's depressing the schemes you're using to try and get your dick sucked now.
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Effectronica posted:No, it wouldn't and doesn't, and it's depressing the schemes you're using to try and get your dick sucked now. The implied qualifier (note my use of the conditional in the original) was if one wishes to be considered a graceful writer. I know these are Important Battles for you. Have a cookie. It signifies Internet Victory, over something. Or some shi, er, merde like that.
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euphronius posted:THe only reason goons know these words is Paradox games. Tangential learning! 
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Those words for the types of succession are fine. It very precisely describes what's going on, it's not pretentious, and if you don't know what they mean (as I didn't), you can simply look them up. Now, for my next question: what will happen when the last of Ibn Saud's sons dies? Does it go to a son of the current king, or a son of the eldest son of Ibn Saud? Does this model of succession tend to be more or less successful if the originator of the line isn't a gently caress-machine with 25 wives (or knows how to use a loving condom)?
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So for those of us that didn't play CK2, how exactly does Saudi Arabia's succession work? Like how do they determine who is in the family? Can uncles inherit?
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Raenir Salazar posted:Tangential learning! The only reason I know about specific whaling practices, including how to make an apron out of a whale's penis, is via reading Moby Dick. This has zero actual applications to my life, but it's nice to know. Knowledge for knowledge's sake is a good thing!
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TheImmigrant posted:The implied qualifier (note my use of the conditional in the original) was if one wishes to be considered a graceful writer. Also, graceful doesn't mean "nice".
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VikingofRock posted:So for those of us that didn't play CK2, how exactly does Saudi Arabia's succession work? Like how do they determine who is in the family? Can uncles inherit? The sons of the first king, Abdulaziz ibn Saud, inherited in order of age, barring their exclusion from the succession, followed by their sons in turn, though supposedly via merit rather than solely by age. No brothers of ibn Saud are in line, nor are any descendants of any daughters.
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Effectronica posted:The sons of the first king, Abdulaziz ibn Saud, inherited in order of age, barring their exclusion from the succession, followed by their sons in turn, though supposedly via merit rather than solely by age. No brothers of ibn Saud are in line, nor are any descendants of any daughters. This can only end well.
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blowfish posted:This can only end well. Keep in mind that they set up a commission to figure out how to get more heirs in line because the royal family is shrinking and there are attrition problems as people go crazy, develop chronic health issues, and other things that would seriously gently caress with kingship.
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Effectronica posted:Keep in mind that they set up a commission to figure out how to get more heirs in line because the royal family is shrinking and there are attrition problems as people go crazy, develop chronic health issues, and other things that would seriously gently caress with kingship.
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Oracle posted:And here I thought the guy had, like, 50. He had 45, but only 11 still survive, the youngest 69 years old. The first of his grandsons is third in line, himself 55.
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Effectronica posted:He had 45, but only 11 still survive, the youngest 69 years old. The first of his grandsons is third in line, himself 55. Yeah but can't they just cycle through one-year-wonders that are effectively figureheads like a normal dysfunctional monarchy? I'm sure there are enough grandkids around for that 
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Effectronica posted:Keep in mind that they set up a commission to figure out how to get more heirs in line because the royal family is shrinking and there are attrition problems as people go crazy, develop chronic health issues, and other things that would seriously gently caress with kingship. 
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euphronius posted:THe only reason goons know these words is Paradox games. Does the source matter? It's still correct
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Is there one single applicable heir in the line of succession that isn't a wreck mentally and/or morally and/or physically?
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Sjurygg posted:Is there one single applicable heir in the line of succession that isn't a wreck mentally and/or morally and/or physically? There might be one that is only two out of three.
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Sjurygg posted:Is there one single applicable heir in the line of succession that isn't a wreck mentally and/or morally and/or physically? Well there's Prince Saud who is your typical moralistic hypocrite and the BBC even made a documentary about him (that makes him look like a huge rear end in a top hat): https://vimeo.com/4889695
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I understood the succession terms because of crusader kings. But poo poo man, you could have guessed what they meant by context. Surely you know the word seniority. So we know Saudis use some kind of seniority - must mean the oldest gets the throne. Europe uses primogeniture - well primo- in Latin-derives languages means "First", (like in the English word "primary" - you do know that one right? Stop me if I'm going too fast.) geniture - sounds like "gene," like the words "engender," "generate," "genetic," ... So first plus generated means...first generated.... What could that mean in the context of a king's kinsmen???? I'll admit agnatic and cognatic aren't that intuitive, but you could have at least gotten "Saudis do oldest related to the king, Western Europe does first born of the King."
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You mean agnatic and cognatic doesn't mean they're indifferent to the existence of god and enjoy a brandy now and then? I thought it was crazy what with them being Muslim and all.
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Sjurygg posted:Is there one single applicable heir in the line of succession that isn't a wreck mentally and/or morally and/or physically? Perhaps any type of monarchy is an outmoded rule of government and it's ridiculous that any modern nation associates with a regime like that?
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Powercrazy posted:Perhaps any type of monarchy is an outmoded rule of government and it's ridiculous that any modern nation associates with a regime like that? Look, we Brits are trying to dissociate from ourselves as hard as we can, but it ain't easy, you know?
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