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Come on man have some pride, this is disgusting
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Moar dropshadow
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Re: trident. Anything stopping the government slyly getting rid but keeping up pretenses? Deterrence works just fine as long as people believe in, even if there's nothing behind it
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Feb 28, 2015 12:59
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ThomasPaine posted:Re: trident. Anything stopping the government slyly getting rid but keeping up pretenses? Deterrence works just fine as long as people believe in, even if there's nothing behind it Don't give the loving game away mate!
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Feb 28, 2015 13:02
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ThomasPaine posted:Re: trident. Anything stopping the government slyly getting rid but keeping up pretenses? Deterrence works just fine as long as people believe in, even if there's nothing behind it Espionage makes this impossible. Any power who we need to retain MAD conditions with eg other nuclear powers easily can afford a competent intelligence agency; they're much cheaper. Game theory is some cool stuff, it prevented and keeps preventing most of us from dying from an artillery strike in a filthy trench somewhere. One day it might end the world but the way I see it more then sixty million worlds ended in our last global punchup and thirty seven million more were quenched in the one before it. We were edging up to ending the world just fine with conventional arms; thank god we took an adequately giant leap forward that prompted introspection and caution instead of getting there piecemeal. CoolCab fucked around with this message at 14:09 on Feb 28, 2015 |
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Feb 28, 2015 13:19
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Cerv posted:There are people still alive, in parliament and other positions of power who actively participated in the persecution. Why? It was the law at the time, and there is nobody still alive who participated in the enactment of that law. History cannot be changed, the dead cannot be brought back to life; all we can do is learn from the mistakes.
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Feb 28, 2015 13:59
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Britain isn't that country any more. we're basically keeping trident as a pathetic memory of fonder times
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Feb 28, 2015 13:59
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UKMT March '15 - Pardoning trident and scrapping the gay deterrent
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Feb 28, 2015 14:06
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Inverted axes for positive values. urgghh.
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Feb 28, 2015 14:43
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UKMT: Bad Graph Porn
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Feb 28, 2015 14:44
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Glad you guys like it  I'm thinking I might make a new exciting 3D chart each time Pasco posts his weekly figures
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Feb 28, 2015 15:08
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Inverted axes for positive values. Mine was inspired by this classic. 
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Feb 28, 2015 15:14
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ThomasPaine posted:Re: trident. Anything stopping the government slyly getting rid but keeping up pretenses? Deterrence works just fine as long as people believe in, even if there's nothing behind it Serious answer - the Russians (and the Americans for that matter) have very good spy satellites and would notice if the Vanguards were just tied up. It's one of the things everyone keeps an eye on. Silly answer - someone's going to notice all those submariners coming back from their "tours" with suntans and raffia donkeys from Majorca.
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Feb 28, 2015 15:20
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Russia and America would know for sure, probably China too.
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Feb 28, 2015 15:21
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KKKlean Energy posted:Glad you guys like it The next one needs to have two overlaid vertical axes labelled on opposite sides, while the field contains a line graph that doesn't correspond to either of them 
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Feb 28, 2015 15:38
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So, SS flags and the British Army. There's a barracks on West Street in Sheffield. All of the windows on the street side are frosted out so you cannot see in. All except one window, that is. And when it's dark outside and they leave the light on, you can actually see in rather easily. Now I'm not an expert on SS Flags or their use, exactly, which is why I have come here to seek confirmation if that is indeed a partially covered SS Flag pinned up in the corner of this room inside an army barracks. If it is, maybe there's a legitimate reason for it. Maybe it's another 'scout sniper' team. Who knows. 
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Feb 28, 2015 16:05
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It's not unusual for barracks to have flags that the unit has captured from the enemy. Those are usually framed or more clearly on display than that though, so idk. What's the thing over it? Is that a sticker on the window, or was it placed over the flag?
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Feb 28, 2015 16:10
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It could be a captured flag. Doesn't looks particularly old though. It looks to be over a window, so maybe the other side looks more appropriate. The thing on top of it looks like it was placed over the flag, rather than a sticker on the window.
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Feb 28, 2015 16:15
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Xmas Pterodactyl posted:So, SS flags and the British Army. Send it to the papers, I'm sure that's interesting enough for them to at least ring up and ask what's what. communism bitch fucked around with this message at 16:30 on Feb 28, 2015 |
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Feb 28, 2015 16:19
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If we're being honest I doubt there's many among us who can honestly say they don't have nazi symbology on their walls in one form or another.
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Feb 28, 2015 16:27
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I've got some on my ring.
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Feb 28, 2015 16:30
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If that is a battle trophy with historical value it's worrying that it appears to be just stuck up on a wall, half behind a [?]filing cabinet with a buncha crap thrown on top of it. Like jesus, dude, you're just asking for moths in your nazi memorabilia.
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Feb 28, 2015 16:36
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Coohoolin posted:I've got some on my ring. That must have been a painful tattoo.
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Feb 28, 2015 16:43
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Maybe it is a partially obscured Kiss flag.
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Feb 28, 2015 17:14
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nuzak posted:Britain isn't that country any more. we're basically keeping trident as a pathetic memory of fonder times No. Having Nukes literally lets Britain be part of the big boy club. We are massively diminished as a world power but we're still on the security council. Still got veto powers just like every other nation who has nukes. Weird huh!? It's almost like nukes have a use beyond actually using them to nuke things! I don't know what some of you want. Are you seriously suggesting we keep our underfunded military as it is AND scrap Trident? Sorry but i'm going to keep it real and put forward that if we scrap our nukes we need to spend a lot more on our conventional forces. Money that is better spent on Schools, hospitals, infrastructure and all that other nice stuff. The world is pretty peaceful. But it's peaceful because of the status quo. You lot are suggesting we change things. Scrapping Trident is changing things. You can't continue to expect things to stay the same if you're changing the world order. But hey, some of you don't think the ability to wipe capital cities off the face of the earth counts as a deterrent so I don't think i'm even on the same planet.
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Feb 28, 2015 17:29
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In Regarde Aduck's mind, the real world works just like Civilization 5.
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Regarde Aduck posted:No. Having Nukes literally lets Britain be part of the big boy club. We are massively diminished as a world power but we're still on the security council. Still got veto powers just like every other nation who has nukes. Weird huh!? It's almost like nukes have a use beyond actually using them to nuke things! I don't know what some of you want. Are you seriously suggesting we keep our underfunded military as it is AND scrap Trident? Sorry but i'm going to keep it real and put forward that if we scrap our nukes we need to spend a lot more on our conventional forces. Money that is better spent on Schools, hospitals, infrastructure and all that other nice stuff. The world is pretty peaceful. But it's peaceful because of the status quo. You lot are suggesting we change things. Scrapping Trident is changing things. You can't continue to expect things to stay the same if you're changing the world order. But hey, some of you don't think the ability to wipe capital cities off the face of the earth counts as a deterrent so I don't think i'm even on the same planet. what are you even on about
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Feb 28, 2015 17:34
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According to Google, Trident takes up about 6% of the armed forces budget which doesn't seem that much to be a part of the nuclear weapons club so I think we should keep it.
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Regarde Aduck posted:No. Having Nukes literally lets Britain be part of the big boy club. We are massively diminished as a world power but we're still on the security council. Still got veto powers just like every other nation who has nukes. Weird huh!? It's almost like nukes have a use beyond actually using them to nuke things! I don't know what some of you want. Are you seriously suggesting we keep our underfunded military as it is AND scrap Trident? Sorry but i'm going to keep it real and put forward that if we scrap our nukes we need to spend a lot more on our conventional forces. Money that is better spent on Schools, hospitals, infrastructure and all that other nice stuff. The world is pretty peaceful. But it's peaceful because of the status quo. You lot are suggesting we change things. Scrapping Trident is changing things. You can't continue to expect things to stay the same if you're changing the world order. But hey, some of you don't think the ability to wipe capital cities off the face of the earth counts as a deterrent so I don't think i'm even on the same planet. conservative.txt
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MAD is a loving insane concept. It's an insane concept that seems to work, though. It's pretty sad that the best solution our species can come up with is to literally have our fingers on the doomsday button, but as far as solutions go it seems to be pretty decent.
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Feb 28, 2015 18:11
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It would be better to spend like five times more on nukes and spying and just bin the rest of the armed forces.
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Feb 28, 2015 18:35
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Having a highly trained team of assassins which we openly declare to be used solely to elimate heads of state on the same sort of budget as Trident would be a much better deterent from every single perspective without the risk of world ending megadeath.
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Coohoolin posted:In Regarde Aduck's mind, the real world works just like Civilization 5. India isn't using any nukes at this minute in time. This is contradictory of Gandhi's thought which is 'Peace & Pacifism + Nukes.' Regarde Aduck posted:we're still on the security council. Still got veto powers just like every other nation who has nukes. Weird huh!? It's almost like nukes have a use beyond actually using them to nuke things! Is it written that to join & stay in the security council, a nation has to have nukes? Or is it that a country that has a vast amount of miltary power, innovative equipment and sway in diplomacy that deserves to be on the security council? Regarde Aduck posted:I don't know what some of you want. Are you seriously suggesting we keep our underfunded military as it is AND scrap Trident? I don't think anyone suggested that both of those things together is a good idea. If anything the wiser idea would be to use that money to help fund further into the military or into further defensive methods to make up for the loss of Trident. Regarde Aduck posted:Money that is better spent on Schools, hospitals, infrastructure and all that other nice stuff. I'm confused, didn't you just suggest that we should that money to fund into further things in the miltary? Regarde Aduck posted:
Who suggested that it isn't a deterrent? Ddraig posted:MAD is a loving insane concept. It's an insane concept that seems to work, though. Here lies the human race, stupid and fragile. Died by it's own hand because of a bear tripping the alarm. return0 posted:It would be better to spend like five times more on nukes and spying and just bin the rest of the armed forces. Better idea. 20 Fenchurch Street x200 in one compact tower to create the Obelisk of Light. If you vote for me, I will make our miltary use NOD & GDI weaponry. You will get to see Mammoth Tanks crush and destroy our enemies with delight.
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Extreme0 posted:Who suggested that it (possesing nuclear weapons) isn't a deterrent? Argentina?
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EmptyVessel posted:Argentina? If they'd allowed themselves to be deterred then maybe they wouldn't have got a kicking for their efforts.
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If something doesn't deter it's not a deterrent. Or maybe Polaris was simply not good enough, not like new! super, cool Trident! now with extra deterrence. e:fwiw I know someone who was in 2 Para, he doesn't describe what went on as the "Argies getting a kicking", but distance can add a nice lustre can't it? EmptyVessel fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Feb 28, 2015 |
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Feb 28, 2015 20:43
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That's a bit like saying a flu vaccine didn't work because, while you didn't get flu, you did get a cold.
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Feb 28, 2015 20:44
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Only I got a little cold after not using the flu vaccine at all.
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I don't know what that means. EmptyVessel posted:e:fwiw I know someone who was in 2 Para, he doesn't describe what went on as the "Argies getting a kicking", but distance can add a nice lustre can't it? I'll take the verified, sourced information in Wikipedia over your second hand anecdotal evidence tyvm.
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