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Bedlamdan posted:JIM WHY Jim actually elaborated on this. He was one of the playtesters for 4E, and one of his main complaints was that combats were too long.
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Oct 25, 2015 03:39
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NGDBSS posted:Ah, the perennial "it feels like D&D" that is in all probability founded on nostalgia.
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Oct 25, 2015 03:42
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Error 404 posted:Yeah that's old. And makes me sad. Et tu, Jim? I mean he does write a book series about a dude that walks around in a fedora and trenchcoat and believes in olde fashioned gentlemen courtesy like holding doors for m'lady
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Oct 25, 2015 03:55
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Bedlamdan posted:JIM WHY I don't think that should come as a surprise to anyone who's read any of his books. I remember an afterword saying how much he liked and was inspired by the World of Gor series.
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Oct 25, 2015 04:02
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FRINGE posted:Thats a pretty legitimate stance regardless of edition for someone who has a job/life/spouse and is having fun with the game they are playing. Nuns with Guns posted:I mean he does write a book series about a dude that walks around in a fedora and trenchcoat and believes in olde fashioned gentlemen courtesy like holding doors for m'lady
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Oct 25, 2015 04:16
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NGDBSS posted:In all fairness, so far as I recall he's been called out on the (at least mildly chauvinistic) "chivalry" on multiple occasions by all sorts of characters, up to and including himself. NGDBSS posted:It's the juxtaposition of the two that's the weird thing, really.
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Oct 25, 2015 04:20
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Nuns with Guns posted:I mean he does write a book series about a dude that walks around in a fedora and trenchcoat and believes in olde fashioned gentlemen courtesy like holding doors for m'lady I don't think Harry Dresden is supposed to be any sort of role model, I mean he's constantly loving up and making things worse for everyone. And when he does do right by other people it's usually at ruinous personal cost that leaves him even more broken inside.
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Thesaurasaurus posted:I don't think Harry Dresden is supposed to be any sort of role model, I mean he's constantly loving up and making things worse for everyone. And when he does do right by other people it's usually at ruinous personal cost that leaves him even more broken inside.
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Oct 25, 2015 05:03
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NGDBSS posted:The funny thing is that, looking at the thread, he's not terribly wrong. Someone mentioned that he probably wouldn't have time to read "20+ splatbooks" for another game...and yet he had already purchased/read/memorized the entire 3.x library. Yeah it's pretty much spot-on. If you already know how 3.5 works, but then you want to play Cthulhu or a techno-thriller kind of game, there's a pull towards buying a d20 product instead of an entirely new system because there's less for you to learn. Of course, the flipside is someone buying 4e, jumping straight into a level 10 character or something because they're self-proclaimed experts at D&D, loving it up and then blaming it back on the system.
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Oct 25, 2015 05:08
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MadScientistWorking posted:Uhhhh.... Raggi is arguably just as worst for the industry as Zak is. At least on the outside having a guy sing the praises of a white supremacist isn't something that is bound to draw people. Yeah no poo poo, I'm well aware of that. But he's carved out his own little OSR kingdom with a bunch of people publishing underneath him, and inevitably when you talk about OSR he crops up in the discussion somewhere down the line. He's made money off of being a gross and reprehensible neckbeard. Thesaurasaurus posted:I don't think Harry Dresden is supposed to be any sort of role model, I mean he's constantly loving up and making things worse for everyone. And when he does do right by other people it's usually at ruinous personal cost that leaves him even more broken inside. Yeah I think the entire point of Dresden is that he comes off as some dumb self-insert at first glance, until you take a closer look and realize he's actually kind of a loser that doesn't know what he's doing half the time. Slimnoid fucked around with this message at 05:30 on Oct 25, 2015 |
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Nuns with Guns posted:I mean he does write a book series about a dude that walks around in a fedora and trenchcoat and believes in olde fashioned gentlemen courtesy like holding doors for m'lady The only place in the books where Dresden wears a hat is on the covers. It's RPG-level bad art direction from the early books that caught on as a bad reoccurring joke as the hat gets bigger and more prominent.
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Also I've read maybe ten of those books and I don't remember Harry Dresden ever making it to the end of one without being seriously, horribly injured (he takes a hand injury in one of them that bothers and impairs him for several books, for example). I can't find it- does anybody have those old Usenet posts from the 80s and 90s where people are complaining that AD&D 2 and 3E ate too video gamey?
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Pope Guilty posted:Also I've read maybe ten of those books and I don't remember Harry Dresden ever making it to the end of one without being seriously, horribly injured (he takes a hand injury in one of them that bothers and impairs him for several books, for example). A proud noir tradition. Pope Guilty posted:I can't find it- does anybody have those old Usenet posts from the 80s and 90s where people are complaining that AD&D 2 and 3E ate too video gamey? unc!tim View profile More options Oct 20 1982, 6:28 am Newsgroups: net.games.frp From: unc!tim Date: Wed Oct 20 06:28:39 1982 Local: Wed, Oct 20 1982 6:28 am Subject: AD&D sucks In a possibly vain attempt to get some discussion on this group, I will now come out of the closet publicly and say I think that Advanced Dungeons and Dragons is a very poor excuse for a game. Gary Gygax has no conception of how books are actually used in a play situation, and a very poor ability to understand hand-to-hand combat. Further, the magic system is totally counter-intuitive. Finally, the importance of magic items (as well as the ideas of class and level) depersonalizes characters, leading to a "rogue"- type environment. (Oh yes, the description of gods in terms of hit dice, etc., is totally useless to the DM, and the unarmed combat system is an atrocity; sorry to have forgotten these.) The only reason that AD&D is the most popular FRP game around is that it has a major lead on the others--unfortunately, TSR has not used this time to improve the rules, only to lengthen them. The only game I know of that's worse than AD&D, aside from basic D&D, is Tunnels and Trolls. Both RuneQuest and The Fantasy Trip provide much better alternatives, and I am told that SPI's DragonQuest (now owned by TSR) is hard to learn but very smooth once one learns it. I strongly recommend that any AD&D player buy RuneQuest and play a few games before further glorifying their rather primitive game. I suppose I should be afraid to sign my name, Tim Maroney (unc!tim)
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Now I feel old - I was alive (albeit a mere infant) when that was posted. The Fantasy Trip was the proto-GURPS, wasn't ti?
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Nessus posted:Now I feel old - I was alive (albeit a mere infant) when that was posted. I was resting comfortably in the void when that was posted. And basically, yeah.
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Lightning Lord posted:It's really weird Mikan got the brunt of the Zak Blast. Why her? You just said why. For some odd reason, the vast majority of Zak S's targets are all minorities! Zak S has a strange but surely coincidental habit of mostly attacking people who aren't straight white cis men! If I recall, his whole thing with David Hill even originated from him (that is to say, Zak) being mad at his (that is to say, David's) wife, Filamena Young, about something. EDIT: Really Pants posted:I heard once that SA is nothing but a bunch of filthy SJWs Serf posted:This appears to be the latest perception. It's worth mentioning that 4chan has been decried as having been taken over by the SJW menace. It's not so much that Something Awful has become better, it's more that particular groups of people on the internet have gotten way, way worse. ProfessorCirno fucked around with this message at 10:09 on Oct 25, 2015 |
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I came back to 70 new posts and a renewed conviction in what I put in the OP about Zak and Pundit.quote:You know what I'm talking about. Spells like Goodberry that produce 10 berries that each can create a merry-go-round of people getting knocked to 0 hp and then getting right back up, feeding a berry to someone else, etc. quote:
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quote:Evil Hat engages in predatory antitrust practices. One would think that a publisher that's basically an elevated indie would know better than perpetuating the cycle of crap among publishers, and instead of that, as soon as they got power of their own, they started "doing unto others." Is this about that Gamergate card game that Evil Hat didn't want to share space with, or are they referring to something new this time?
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paradoxGentleman posted:Is this about that Gamergate card game that Evil Hat didn't want to share space with, or are they referring to something new this time? Yes, it's over a non-Hicks employee of Evil Hat tweeting off the cuff about possibly discussing with other employees whether or not they want to share space with Desbo's "neutral" GamerGate card game. Which immediately morphed into Fred Hicks breaking Wieck's legs with a tire iron outside the OBS office. That Old Tree fucked around with this message at 11:59 on Oct 25, 2015 |
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Oct 25, 2015 11:54
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FROOOOOOOOG posted:I don't think that should come as a surprise to anyone who's read any of his books.
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Slimnoid posted:Yeah no poo poo, I'm well aware of that. But he's carved out his own little OSR kingdom with a bunch of people publishing underneath him, and inevitably when you talk about OSR he crops up in the discussion somewhere down the line. He's made money off of being a gross and reprehensible neckbeard.
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MadScientistWorking posted:Yeah but the guy is probably got the most mainstream support out of anyone in the industry. He's not exactly isolated in that regard and honestly having talked to him in the past makes me side eye anyone who does willingly work with him because he readily admits that he pretty much takes inspiration from racist and sexist dreck. I'm not really disagreeing or arguing with you on those points, though? Like, I'm pretty much in full agreement with you on the guy.
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ProfessorCirno posted:It's worth mentioning that 4chan has been decried as having been taken over by the SJW menace. It's not so much that Something Awful has become better, it's more that particular groups of people on the internet have gotten way, way worse. yeah I noticed a huge drop in poo poo posting on /tg/ when reddit was made. Which has apparently gotten worse? All I hear about reddit anymore is how its some insane misogyny hellscape that can't be contained by the site owners.
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TheTatteredKing posted:yeah I noticed a huge drop in poo poo posting on /tg/ when reddit was made. Which has apparently gotten worse? All I hear about reddit anymore is how its some insane misogyny hellscape that can't be contained by the site owners. It's not so much that they can't contain it inasmuch as the site owners are too lazy/incompetent to try.
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Plague of Hats posted:I came back to 70 new posts and a renewed conviction in what I put in the OP about Zak and Pundit. Out of all the stuff you posted here, the thing that made me the angriest was "immersional." Slimnoid posted:It's not so much that they can't contain it inasmuch as the site owners are too lazy/incompetent to try. You forgot "insanely successful" since I'm sure they're pretty loath to tinker with their ridiculous business model where racists give other racists internet money for being so good at being racists.
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TheTatteredKing posted:yeah I noticed a huge drop in poo poo posting on /tg/ when reddit was made. Which has apparently gotten worse? All I hear about reddit anymore is how its some insane misogyny hellscape that can't be contained by the site owners. Might be related to the mass exodus of #gg idiots to 8chan/KiA because Moot betrayed them to The Dark Queen Sarkeesian
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Nuns with Guns posted:Might be related to the mass exodus of #gg idiots to 8chan/KiA because Moot betrayed them to The Dark Queen Sarkeesian That was more of a /v/ thing.
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Bedlamdan posted:That was more of a /v/ thing. Weren't they overrunning a bunch of the other boards to "rally the troops"/argue with anyone making fun of them?
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Nuns with Guns posted:Weren't they overrunning a bunch of the other boards to "rally the troops"/argue with anyone making fun of them? Well there was /pol/, but that's just a shitshow.
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Slimnoid posted:It's not so much that they can't contain it inasmuch as the site owners are too lazy/incompetent to try. Proper moderation is also really difficult and time-consuming and would be very expensive, which is why most for-profit companies have been ignoring the need for it for as long as possible.
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TheTatteredKing posted:yeah I noticed a huge drop in poo poo posting on /tg/ when reddit was made. Which has apparently gotten worse? All I hear about reddit anymore is how its some insane misogyny hellscape that can't be contained by the site owners. And racism. Don't forget the racism.
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Bedlamdan posted:Well there was /pol/, but that's just a shitshow. Fair enough. Speaking of KiA, it's fun to do a search there sometimes for mentions of Blue Rose quote:
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I love that they not only put Blue Rose and Wraethuthu on the same spectrum, but they put them both on the same side of the spectrum.
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Kurieg posted:I love that they not only put Blue Rose and Wraethuthu on the same spectrum, but they put them both on the same side of the spectrum. I dunno about you but I see many parallels between an innocuous magical kingdom where the ruler is picked out by a walking "detect good" spell and a game where everyone plays anime bishounens raping more anime bishounens into existence with their flower dicks
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quote:Perhaps your friends should go play Blue Rose. Out of context this is extremely good advice.
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Nuns with Guns posted:I dunno about you but I see many parallels between an innocuous magical kingdom where the ruler is picked out by a walking "detect good" spell and a game where everyone plays anime bishounens raping more anime bishounens into existence with their flower dicks Your name is now Boline.
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Nuns with Guns posted:I mean he does write a book series about a dude that walks around in a fedora and trenchcoat and believes in olde fashioned gentlemen courtesy like holding doors for m'lady harry doesn't do hats Slimnoid posted:Yeah I think the entire point of Dresden is that he comes off as some dumb self-insert at first glance, until you take a closer look and realize he's actually kind of a loser that doesn't know what he's doing half the time. in the murphy story in changes she talks about how most of the time harry is this big autismal weirdo who kinda looks at the ground and mumbles and tries to be nice in an old-fashioned way and then as soon as there's Magic poo poo to deal with he's a big boomin doofus making sweeping gestures and waving his arms around and weirding people out that way. he's basically the ur-goon he has a sweet dog though so it evens out in the end Nuns with Guns posted:a game where everyone plays anime bishounens raping more anime bishounens into existence with their flower dicks grandpa simpsons turns around dot gif
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Nuns with Guns posted:I dunno about you but I see many parallels between an innocuous magical kingdom where the ruler is picked out by a walking "detect good" spell and a game where everyone plays anime bishounens raping more anime bishounens into existence with their flower dicks Their flower dicks that ejaculate acid, no less.
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