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echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

PuTTY riot posted:

its the diskus or w/e... the dry powder one where u cock it and then deep inhale. not aerosolized.

oh yeah our 250s are 50 each.


Jonny 290 posted:

I know. mrs is on it.

she's got another cheapo one too though

curious. which one?



in all seriousness though, if people need the combined inhaler thats good, but I think a lot of doctors try it too early. its a steroid plus a LABAs and LABAs arent particularly good for a person. i mean yeah breathing is more important still and so if u need it u need it but people should be taking the max dose of inhaled steroid and only adding as little LABA as necessary, or if they were only using they blue (albuterol) once or twice daily while on steroid it would be better than putting a LABA into your lungs all the time.

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echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
new LABA being trialled which is ONCE daily not TWICE daily coming soon so expect to pay even more for your drugs at a pharmacy near you

Silver Alicorn
Mar 30, 2008

𝓪 𝓻𝓮𝓭 𝓹𝓪𝓷𝓭𝓪 𝓲𝓼 𝓪 𝓬𝓾𝓻𝓲𝓸𝓾𝓼 𝓼𝓸𝓻𝓽 𝓸𝓯 𝓬𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓽𝓾𝓻𝓮
I really don't get the whole practice of prescribing a daily dose drug for non-chronic symptoms except $$$

Silver Alicorn
Mar 30, 2008

𝓪 𝓻𝓮𝓭 𝓹𝓪𝓷𝓭𝓪 𝓲𝓼 𝓪 𝓬𝓾𝓻𝓲𝓸𝓾𝓼 𝓼𝓸𝓻𝓽 𝓸𝓯 𝓬𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓽𝓾𝓻𝓮
see my opinion re: PPIs

PuTTY riot
Nov 16, 2002

echinopsis posted:

oh yeah our 250s are 50 each.


curious. which one?



in all seriousness though, if people need the combined inhaler thats good, but I think a lot of doctors try it too early. its a steroid plus a LABAs and LABAs arent particularly good for a person. i mean yeah breathing is more important still and so if u need it u need it but people should be taking the max dose of inhaled steroid and only adding as little LABA as necessary, or if they were only using they blue (albuterol) once or twice daily while on steroid it would be better than putting a LABA into your lungs all the time.

my GP told me to keep taking it if i use my albuterol at all iirc. i am bad about remembering to take it...as u can see i didn't get it filled every month

PuTTY riot
Nov 16, 2002
now that i quit smoking cigs i really only hit the albuterol when im sick or after a particularly big :420: sesh

Silver Alicorn
Mar 30, 2008

𝓪 𝓻𝓮𝓭 𝓹𝓪𝓷𝓭𝓪 𝓲𝓼 𝓪 𝓬𝓾𝓻𝓲𝓸𝓾𝓼 𝓼𝓸𝓻𝓽 𝓸𝓯 𝓬𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓽𝓾𝓻𝓮
"I had some heartburn the other day"

"ok take 10mg of Prilosec™ every day for the rest of your life"

GameCube
Nov 21, 2006

PuTTY riot posted:

a particularly big :420: sesh

don't you have an infant child

PuTTY riot
Nov 16, 2002

As a Millennial I posted:

don't you have an infant child

u know they go to bed at like 8:30 and sleep for 12 hours, right?

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Silver Alicorn posted:

I really don't get the whole practice of prescribing a daily dose drug for non-chronic symptoms except $$$

most people who have ashtma have it chronically


the thing about asthma is that the inflammation itself damages the lungs. using albuterol or whatever when u have an attack opens up your airways but it does nothing to reduce the inflammation. over time the lungs will be more and more scar tissue with less flexibility and albuterol inhalers will be more and more necessary

steroids actually reduce this inflammation, and hence slow/stop the disease progression.
people who use their blue inhaler more than once or twice a week should be on an steroid EVERY SINGLE DAY to try to maintain lung functionality for as long as they possible can


i have a dude who gets 6 x ventolins and he comes in usually less than 20 days since his last lot (i know this because compy always throws up warning if <20 days)
HE needs to fuckin a) quit smoking and b) use steroids fuckin load, but he's never interested in his steroid repeats. moron. he'll have little lung function left in his old age
did i metipon hes like 25?

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

PuTTY riot posted:

my GP told me to keep taking it if i use my albuterol at all iirc. i am bad about remembering to take it...as u can see i didn't get it filled every month

if u find u need to use albuteroil more than once or twice a week, get a fluticasone inhaler and use that first. just my OPINION

PuTTY riot
Nov 16, 2002

echinopsis posted:

if u find u need to use albuteroil more than once or twice a week, get a fluticasone inhaler and use that first. just my OPINION

hmm ty ill talk to the doc next time i go. im more a once a month inhaler user now. this is the time of year i get sick also, curious how i feel in the summer after ~6 months of no smoking

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
generally best practice is to move down a list increasing dose and adding new agents, but people dont like this because its not the fastest route to reducing all symptoms (and not only pt driven sometimes drs are like this too). u should be trialling steroid only preventors before adding that LABA, because it woulkd be substantially better for you if steroids alone were sufficient.

PuTTY riot
Nov 16, 2002
cheaper too, huh?

PuTTY riot
Nov 16, 2002
when i was a kid i fda tested a powdered inhaler it was either advair or flovent. it worked well. peak flows are cool i honestly wish i kept a log when i quit smoking

BONGHITZ
Jan 1, 1970
Probation
Can't post for 4 hours!

PuTTY riot posted:

u know they go to bed at like 8:30 and sleep for 12 hours, right?

you are under arrest. I am calling Obama right now.

GameCube
Nov 21, 2006

PuTTY riot posted:

u know they go to bed at like 8:30 and sleep for 12 hours, right?

lol i don't know poo poo about babies

theadder
Dec 30, 2011


echinopsis posted:

unblock nose. psuedoepherdrine is a bit of a gold standard but oxymetazoline/xylometazoline/naphozoline nasal sprays work very well but can only be taken for like 3-5 days at t atime

pseudoephedrine is so controlled here lol time to see doc again

theadder
Dec 30, 2011


LP0 ON FIRE posted:

maybe to you

and to me and that ought to be sufficient for u

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

theadder posted:

pseudoephedrine is so controlled here lol time to see doc again

yeah same :/ in fact its the only class C drug that requires a controlled drug script (usually only for B)

theadder
Dec 30, 2011


i might make meth with it u know *stirs meth pot*

theadder
Dec 30, 2011


used to be able to get it otc here

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
same

du -hast
Mar 12, 2003

BEHEAD THOSE WHO INSULT GENTOO
i am american and my job provides kaiserpermante insurance, which is actually really excellent insurance... only $50 for the monthly doctor visits and around another $50 in copays per month and i can not die

Silver Alicorn
Mar 30, 2008

𝓪 𝓻𝓮𝓭 𝓹𝓪𝓷𝓭𝓪 𝓲𝓼 𝓪 𝓬𝓾𝓻𝓲𝓸𝓾𝓼 𝓼𝓸𝓻𝓽 𝓸𝓯 𝓬𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓽𝓾𝓻𝓮
lol I have one of those health plans where the deductible is like $5000... thanks obama

Smythe
Oct 12, 2003

Silver Alicorn posted:

lol I have one of those health plans where the deductible is like $5000... thanks obama

same

Smythe
Oct 12, 2003

du -hast posted:

i am american and my job provides kaiserpermante insurance, which is actually really excellent insurance... only $50 for the monthly doctor visits and around another $50 in copays per month and i can not die

is it a hmo or a ppo?

du -hast
Mar 12, 2003

BEHEAD THOSE WHO INSULT GENTOO
idk but if youre asking e if im a homo,,,,, .. tetx me

exe cummings
Jan 22, 2005

Silver Alicorn posted:

lol I have one of those health plans where the deductible is like $5000... thanks obama

4.5k + 15% copay thereafter lol

and the healthcare is supposed to be one of the reasons people work at my employer

jony ive aces
Jun 14, 2012

designer of the lomarf car


Buglord

PuTTY riot posted:

so feel free to place some of the blame on environmentalists if you like.
lol yeah who needs that ozone layer

jony ive aces
Jun 14, 2012

designer of the lomarf car


Buglord

Cat Face Joe posted:

i was writing a real lf poast but I'll just go with the ol standby

death to amerikkka

jony ive aces
Jun 14, 2012

designer of the lomarf car


Buglord
more like alBUTTerol :xd:

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

lol my copay is $0, thanks state government

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

-~Skullwave~-
idgi why doesn't your government pay for all your healthcare

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

that wouldnt maximize shareholder profits now would it

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
people dont respect poo poo for free. our co-payment is $5 a prescription and it maxes at $100 in a year for a family, u cant really complain, thats cheaper than almost anything in your life by miles

people do complain though. "what a rip off". jesus christ

doctors are more expensive here though. at LEAST $40 a visit. is aust its the opp sitch, cheap Dr, more expensive rx. clearly ours is better because drugs own


socialised healthcare might not be as fair but its far more efficient

theadder
Dec 30, 2011


it surprises me that u have to pay at all is any of it waived for the v poor

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
even at $5 a piece people dont respect it. people collect poo poo because "its their right" and cost the tax payers

the poo poo people bring back when their parents die. if you werent using your blue inhaler why did you pick up the last 30 (i took those home)



why should it be free? $5 is the price of a coffee. poor people can claim it back from work and income if they qualify. i dont mean to be unsympathetic but everyone requires food to live and no one suggests that food be free for poor people, or rent or whatever.

jony ive aces
Jun 14, 2012

designer of the lomarf car


Buglord
i do

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echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
well ok sure but what i mean is its inconsistent to think medicine should be free but food or rent shouldnt be

and probably only a small amount of medicine i give is life saving. most is just giving you a small statistical advantage or even just treating "nuisance" problems

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