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Jun 25, 2007

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The L.A. Rams. Huh. How about that. So, three seasons in the Coliseum, followed by a move to the old Hollywood Park. Is there any transit heading that way? I know LA has been expanding its light rail.

I'm skeptical about two teams though, especially if the second is at a significant financial disadvantage. LA doesn't seem to care enough, although the city is so huge that the money may make sense regardless.

Any sense of how many fans in San Diego the Chargers would hold onto if they move north? I have to imagine it's a greater percentage than the Rams will retain in St Louis, even without the way the Rams blew the bridges behind them.

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Jun 25, 2007

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kiimo posted:

Not enough. With those kind of numbers it just doesn't matter. A stadium by LAX will be supported. There will be Superbowls. Bowl Games. UCLA will play games here from time to time. Book it.

That I don't doubt. But two teams? I feel like there's going to be an odd man out here, and it seems like it's going to be the Chargers.

Who knows, though? Winning seems to solve pretty much everything.

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Jun 25, 2007

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Gonna pump the brakes on the idea of Chargers to LA being a done deal. As of 10 minutes ago I'm not seeing indication of anything final, just a "framework".

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/01/13/chargers-no-decisions-made-no-serious-review-of-deal-begun/

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Jun 25, 2007

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Losing a team loving sucks. What's even worse is when it's all dragged out, and you hope and hope and then wonder why you did afterward.

Then, of course, come the years of, "poo poo, are we going to get another one?"

Suffice to say I'm not much of an NBA guy anymore.

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Jun 25, 2007

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They also have James Laurinaitis! Remember that guy?

And, currently, they have the Seahawks in their back pocket. :(

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Jun 25, 2007

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Just listened to Clayton talk to Tirico on ESPN radio. Clayton said it was apparently rather surprising to the owners that the initial vote came out that way. Apparently part of the vote was swayed by a rare Paul Allen appearance, who won support for Kroenke by arguing that Inglewood was just the better proposal with more money behind it.

Wonder if he also wanted no part in another Seahawks conference switch.

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Jun 25, 2007

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Creamsicle Tampa loving owned, I think most negative associations with that scheme come from that team being so godawful while playing in those unis. Totally agree with Philly and kelly green and LA and blue and yellow.

I think the current Seahawks uniforms are supposed to be kinda ugly and loud, it was an attempt to jar loose their status as the most anonymous NFL team. God, those mid 2000s all blues were ugly. Wish they would throwback to the older uniforms sometime, it's a cool design that is nicely tied into the native art the helmet was based off of. Unfortunately, it wouldn't work with the NFL's one-helmet rule.

e. actual news: did we know that Mark Davis owns a possible stadium site north of San Antonio? http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25450564/report-raiders-have-secured-land-near-san-antonio-for-possible-move

shirts and skins fucked around with this message at 14:08 on Jan 16, 2016

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Jun 25, 2007

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Aside from that Face Off situation I don't understand this move at all from the Raiders perspective. So they move from a city with a dilapidated stadium that doesn't want to finance a new one to...a city with a dilapidated stadium that doesn't want to finance a new one? I guess they wouldn't have to play on a baseball field anymore, but the tradeoff is losing their Oakland fanbase.

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Jun 25, 2007

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Ross Angeles posted:

We host the Jaguars.

Nah. Has to be the home Raiders game, right? All the awkwardness of a cancelled wedding between two runaways.

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Jun 25, 2007

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Glass of Milk posted:

The Las Vegas Raiders works because their fans are appropriate for a post-apocalyptic desert wasteland.

The Las Vegas Warboys
Warboys!
They fight for Immortan Mark
Immortan Mark!

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Jun 25, 2007

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Jubs posted:

You guys do realize that San Diego is only about a two hour drive to Los Angeles. It's not like current Charger fans can't continue going to games if they move to LA.

Jubs posted:

You guys do realize that Philadelphia is only about a two hour drive to New York. It's not like current Eagles fans can't continue going to games if they move to NYC.

Jubs posted:

You guys do realize that Detroit is only about a two hour drive to Columbus. It's not like current Lions fans can't continue going to games if they move to Ohio.

Jubs posted:

You guys do realize that Seattle is only about a two hour drive to Portland. It's not like current Seahawks fans can't continue going to games if they move to Rip Town.

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Jun 25, 2007

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Spoeank posted:

I would like to direct you folks to the people who sat in front of me at Candlestick who drove from Tahoe through San Francisco to get to the 49ers games.

SF to Tahoe is about 4.5 hours without traffic, and probably an hour to get through SF on gameday. 5.5 hours each way.

I'm thinking the cultural/neighboring city resentment stuff is a bigger deal here than the distance. I'm sure Denver and Green Bay fans come in from who the hell knows how far away.

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Jun 25, 2007

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AsInHowe posted:

Actually, Columbus is about three hours and fifteen minutes away from Detroit. Grand Rapids is about two hours from Detroit, move the Lions to Grand Rapids, you take them, you cheap Dutch bastards

How about Toledo? The point was not distance, it was about sticking them in Ohio, where no self-respecting Michigander would want to follow them.

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Jun 25, 2007

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Lessail posted:

at least we know why he bought the review-journal now lol

That and because Nevada is a swing state.

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Jun 25, 2007

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Donkwich posted:

7) Mad Max

A mobile stadium!

*the date of the Raiders game approaches in Kansas City*

*a massive dust cloud builds on the western horizon*

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Jun 25, 2007

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Sash! posted:

Dan Snyder could probably get them to actually dismantle an entire Metro line if he promised the stadium would be in DC. There's a weird fixation on the stadium being in DC. Like Landover is in some other universe or something.

Although Metro will probably dismantle itself anyhow.

Snyder gets all the parking fees he desires.

And yet, for all of its unreliability, it still owns that Metro exists. Reading you San Diego/LA posters and imagining driving to work every day gives me the drat willies. Like, what is even the point of living in a city if you can't get around without a car? Going on a work trip to Dallas was so depressing, nobody walks anywhere. May as well be in a gigantic suburb.

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Jun 25, 2007

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Febreeze posted:

Camden Yards

also for all the poo poo it gets the Jerry Dome is really stylish

Camden is indeed amazing. I love Safeco too, though I wish you could see the sunset better from there.

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Jun 25, 2007

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Ross Angeles posted:

At least the Raiders generally play in the colder months.

Poor baseball teams that come to play the A's with sewage problems in the middle of July

So when that article hit about "sewage flooding the locker room" it wasn't talking about the Mariners? Cause I know I root for a generally lovely team but drat

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Jun 25, 2007

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I've already done Seattle - Yellowstone - Minneapolis - Chicago - East coast (NY/DC) twice, and NY - Charlotte - Atlanta - NOLA - Austin - LA - SF - Seattle once. Gonna to DC - Seattle in 4 days this summer. Cross country road trips own bones.

The absolute most important thing is to get off the interstate highways. They're efficient and fast, but they all look exactly the same. The old highways are where all the weird poo poo is.

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Jun 25, 2007

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Chichevache posted:

I can fake post my way through Frank Clark beating a woman and Aaron Hernandez committing actual murders, but, God help me, I can't help but drop the act when Mark Davis pulls out his pockets and plays the "poor me, I'm not some billionaire trustfund owner" and posters on this very board eat it up.

Yeah gently caress this. I don't know about you for sure, but I'm guessing your feelings on this are influenced by the Sonics going, same as mine.

I hate this horseshit bidding war prisoners dilemma. Just ban public financing of stadiums on a federal level, tia. It's the only way this poo poo will end.

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Jun 25, 2007

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Alvie posted:

Me too and might I just say that as a person who doesn't care about football or live anywhere near the west coast, gently caress you all for caring so much about this dumb thing.

Great, thanks for your input! Next caller, you're on 105.7 FM, KFUK!

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Jun 25, 2007

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I can't imagine how rough it would be for a west coast team traveling to London for a game. 1pm EST games going east are already tough enough. An eight hour time difference? Fuckk.

Speaking of which, I'm posting this at 6am on a Sunday because hooray for jet lag.

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Jun 25, 2007

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Zurreco posted:

Now that this is passing/passed, NBA is pushing expansion and has leaked to the Hansen group that Seattle is other expansion team if arena deal is made soon.

Where did you hear this? Very curious to know if it's true. I thought expansion would be deferred til after the next TV deal.

Skwirl posted:

I don't actually have a dog in the race because I don't live in Seattle anymore and don't really care that much about the NBA, but Kshama Sawant wasn't the only city council person who voted against the deal. And seriously, don't call longshoremen rich fat cats when defending a vanity project from a billionaire.

Yeah, there were a lot of weird votes, like Gonzalez getting every weird concession she asked for and still voting no. Sawant was a no in solidarity with the ILWU, understandable from her perspective, but did so right after acknowledging how shady as hell Port management has been in opposing the deal. Bagshaw, who the hell knows, she was an arena supporter at first and now seems to be on a crusade against it.

Anyway, the vote failed on a razor's margin, definitely an upset. Perhaps the new funds for Lander and more tangible expansion prospects will change some minds.

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Jun 25, 2007

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Skwirl posted:

You can't figure out why a socialist who's never given any indication she gave a poo poo about sports beyond enforcement of title nine would be opposed to public funding for a sports arena?

I mean, she was in part elected because she indicated she'd be friendlier to the arena than the incumbent. In retrospect, yeah, it seems fairly obvious that her ideology would keep her support for the arena lukewarm at most.

E. Maybe this discussion should be moved out of TFF...

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Jun 25, 2007

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If the Chargers move and leave SDSU as Qualcomm's only tenant, can we rename it Estadio Azteca?

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Jun 25, 2007

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The San Diego Chargers of Los Angeles of Anaheim.

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Jun 25, 2007

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Nah, Washington has enough jurisdictions to manipulate in the area, they'd never leave. They want back into the city because $$$ and also because FedEx is a nightmare suburban stadium. They'll just play DC off of Maryland and Virginia--their practice facility is already in Ashburn already.

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Jun 25, 2007

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Vertical Lime posted:

I keep thinking they're waiting for RFK to be vacated (which looks like is about to happen) and build something new there

If anything they need something closer to the metro (no matter how crappy it's becoming)

Agreed. The city has made noise about making them change the name if they move in though.

Snyder tried for years to make FedEx as inaccessible as possible, even barring people from walking in from Metro/off-site parking until he lost a suit over it. But, it turns out, when you make it a pain in the rear end to get to your stadium, people don't want to go! Crazy stuff.

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Jun 25, 2007

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AsInHowe posted:

Are there any articles that easily explain this story?

Decent recap of the issue on Deadspin this year.

https://www.google.com/amp/deadspin.com/the-atlanta-braves-borrowed-their-parking-scam-from-dan-1783149400/amp?client=ms-android-google

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Jun 25, 2007

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got any sevens posted:

Peeps in Seattle barely think of Portland but Portlanders have a little brother thing.

Absolutely. It's so bizarre. I grew up between the two when they were rather different cities, and the first time I encountered the Portland hate of Seattle I was so bewildered.

Based on my limited sample size, Philadelphia seems to have a similar little brother thing towards New York, with a similar lack of attention going the other way.

hifi posted:

Frisco people say The City all the time and it confuses me because i live in arizona

But none of them say Frisco, that's a city in Texas. They say The City because it's how you distinguish it from the umpteen other jurisdictions in the Bay Area. This usage confuses the hell out of New Yorkers, too, especially the lifers who barely consider anything outside the five boroughs civilized much less a city.

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Jun 25, 2007

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FuriousxGeorge posted:

I've never seen much hate for New York in Philly outside of sports rivalries and reactions to dumb poo poo like this. Having one of the most amazing cities in the world and everything it has to offer a daytrip away (while not having to pay New York rent prices) is one of the benefits of living in Philly.

I mean, I'll defer to the locals on this, like I said it's mainly anecdotal. But the people I knew from there would just *bristle* when you mentioned NYC. That and how Philly lists everything they have as "The oldest ____ in the US". But I feel like permutations of that attitude must be present in every Northeast corridor city.

got any sevens posted:

I use it now precisely because it annoys those stuck up transplants.

My mom's side of the family is literally from the City and they don't like it.

(Yes it's me I'm the son of California invaders of Washington)

FCKGW posted:

Rebrand to the LA Guacamoles

LA Golden Knights

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Jun 25, 2007

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Why do team names have to be badass and xxxtreme

I love goofy team names, like the New Orleans Pelicans. That's awesome. If anything they should have made the logo way goofier, like the KU Jayhawk.

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Jun 25, 2007

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Leperflesh posted:

I went to Live Oak High, our team name/mascot was the Acorns. :negative:

The best team name actually is the UCSC Banana Slugs.



Because they just go ahead and totally own that they're never going to be good at sports. Their team mascot is reading a book.

Can't forget my hometown Evergreen State College Geoducks!



It was a minor identity crisis when their DIII basketball team got good enough to start developing a rivalry with the crosstown St Martin's College. "Wait a second, we're Evergreen! We can't have sports rivalries!"

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Jun 25, 2007

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Emperor Norton I: the first and best crazy street dude in SF.

http://www.harkavagrant.com/index.php?id=43

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Jun 25, 2007

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Could be they are trying to work out some kind of financing, and they may need another business day or two. MLk is a federal holiday so the Fed wires are closed. Wouldn't stop them from signing a contract though so who knows.

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Jun 25, 2007

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This is gonna go great, guys

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Jun 25, 2007

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gently caress, this sucks bad for San Diego. Sorry Ross. Speaking as someone who lost his favorite pro sports team...even with how much the writing seemed on the wall and even with how awful the owner is, even with how much of a raw deal it would have been for the city to foot the bill, it doesn't make the day it happens any easier.

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Jun 25, 2007

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Harlock posted:

The Los Angeles Golden Knights

Was gonna make this joke but thought it was too soon

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Jun 25, 2007

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hifi posted:



0 good teams lol

The UCLA men's basketball team looks like it's back? USC football may be good again? That's about it.

Lol I forgot about the new MLS team too

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Jun 25, 2007

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123 miles from Qualcomm to Inglewood. I always forget how far San Diego is from LA, it always seems like they're closer together from out here.

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