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Mattjpwns: Dec 14, 2006; In joyful strains then let us sing
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Oh my loving god, take it to IRC and stop loving up what started off as a great thread you goddamn goons.

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hiddenmovement posted:

What if it's an intelligent, sensible dialectic between respectful parties that contributes to broader thread discussions and doesn't descend into childish ad hominem attacks?

you must be new around here

# ¿ Mar 1, 2015 07:29

Mattjpwns: Dec 14, 2006; In joyful strains then let us sing
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I have unironically enjoyed firstdog on occasion (hi yes I am an auspol shitlord), but the data retention comic is godawful and a perfect example of the usual criticism directed at it.

# ¿ Mar 2, 2015 12:17

Mattjpwns: Dec 14, 2006; In joyful strains then let us sing
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speaking of shitposting

# ¿ Mar 2, 2015 12:38

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Murodese posted:

I want to watch the bubble burst and the Australian economy implode into a gaping black hole just because some men want to watch the world burn

I was on the train yesterday with a couple of guys in high-vis clothing, one bitching about how their wages haven't increased so they were struggling to meet the payments on their investment properties.

As in, plural of property.

There are going to be so many (former) CUB tears when the bubble bursts, especially seeing as the mining jobs are already stalling / disappearing.

e:

8 flags at Tony Abbott's press conference.

8 flags + 1 Prime Minister = 9

19 members of Cabinet - 8 flags = 11

therefore, LNP did 9/11, wake up sheeple!!!1111one :tinfoil:

Mattjpwns fucked around with this message at 03:12 on Mar 3, 2015

# ¿ Mar 3, 2015 03:09

Mattjpwns: Dec 14, 2006; In joyful strains then let us sing
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Some American Fuckwit posted:

""Either it's the actual level of wages or it's the fact that it's very difficult for businesses to let somebody go for whatever reason - some combination of that."

look at that guy and his feelpinions.

It could be this, or this, or some combination, who knows? REDUCE WAGES AND ENTITLEMENTS :shrug:

I mean there's no way that would reduce the amount of money people have available for spending, which in turn drives the economy, right? I mean, just reduce the minimum wage, the wages of a significant chunk of people who spend all their money on goods and services instead of squirreling it away, there's no way that'll have a horrible effect on the economy, nope, trickle-down 4 life, something something GALT SHRUGGED, RAND.

:suicide:

Mattjpwns fucked around with this message at 04:58 on Mar 3, 2015

# ¿ Mar 3, 2015 04:54

Mattjpwns: Dec 14, 2006; In joyful strains then let us sing
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To "commit political suicide", or an act/decision being considered "political suicide" is pretty common parlance. In the context of what Palmer was saying, it's pretty drat clear this is what he meant.

But of course the media will have a field day with it because it'll generate far more hits/reads than boring poo poo like data retention, the TPP, our Iraq deployments, actually being governed, etc, and it'll be helped along by armchair internet lefties looking for their next moral outrage crusade that requires no actual thought on their behalf, just being angry because Palmer said a bad word.

# ¿ Mar 4, 2015 03:15

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Lid posted:

Lets not do this. If this was Abbott or Morrison saying this we would never ever try to make it a media blow up and instead it would be used to re-enforce the views we already have of them being stupid and callous and even if context was given we wouldn't be an apologist no more than "poo poo happens".

Don'0t bend the rules because its not your enemy in the limelight and always, always look at a situation as if your most reviled politician said it and see if that at all changes your reaction.

What Clive said was loving dumb and will haunt him and it will be blared louder because of the media make up but at no point should we then flip it to be tjat he, an elected MP of federal office, is a victim.

Oh get hosed. I've routinely stood up and said "yeah, this is overblown as poo poo" regardless of the side of politics. If you can't manage that, that's fine. He misstepped by not including "political" before suicide, but this is a total loving beatup - it pisses me off all the more as someone who does suffer from chronic depression, because I've already seen people out and about going "but suicide is are sers thingggg!!11". No poo poo. But how about tackling the actual causes, of which this is not one.

# ¿ Mar 4, 2015 03:28

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Birdstrike posted:

First Dog format, duh!

Team up with Chicken Parma and make a comic like the preferential voting one.

:getin:

# ¿ Mar 4, 2015 07:14

Mattjpwns: Dec 14, 2006; In joyful strains then let us sing
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On the topic of house pricing chat:

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/perth-property-prices-likely-to-drop-as-sales-listings-jump-by-50-per-cent-20150227-13qph6.html

quote:

A dramatic jump in the number of properties for sale in Perth could see house prices fall, with the number of listings rising by almost 50 per cent.

There were 13,535 properties listed for sale in the Perth metropolitan area for the week leading up to February 25, compared to 9207 for the same period last year, according to the Real Estate Institute of Western Australia.

REIWA President David Airey said with the long-term equilibrium for the number of listings in Perth at around 12,000, the number of properties up for sale was trending upwards.

"What is unusual is that listings have increased significantly in a short space of time," he said.

"It's a big jump."

A number of factors have been attributed to the 47 per cent rise in listings, including a decline in the population growth rate, downturns in the mining and construction sectors, job losses, low consumer sentiment and the completion of a record level of dwelling constructions.

Mr Airey said the increased number of listings was likely to influence prices.

"Perth's median house price has been reasonably steady for the last six months, but this is unlikely to be sustainable given the supply and demand situation," he said.

"We are likely to see the overall median price come down through 2015, but this experience will be different for different segments of the market depending on local conditions."

And the trend of more properties coming on to the market could continue.

"After the GFC in 2008, listings grew to more than 15,000 in 2009, and we may approach those numbers again later this year," Mr Airey said.

Real estate agent Barry Wood, from Zoo Property in Sorrento, agreed house prices were likely to come down.

"My expectations, long term, I expect property to perform well for everyone," Mr Wood said.

"But, short term, the volume of sales may drop slightly further and prices will adjust by 3 to 8 per cent down.

"The public has the perception that it's a buyer's marker and it will be somewhat this year."

Mr Wood attributed the rise in properties for sale to numerous economic factors and said misinformation and confusion was contributing to an unstable market.

"The market is panicking a little bit," Mr Wood said.

"The reality is there are a lot of properties on the market place that are overpriced and never going to sell.

"If your property's not priced or presented properly, you should remove it from the market."

But Mr Wood said low interest rates would help to stop property prices from plunging.

"It's not all doom and gloom," he said.

# ¿ Mar 4, 2015 10:41

Mattjpwns: Dec 14, 2006; In joyful strains then let us sing
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ahahahaha holy poo poo anidav's new avatar

I'm on Austudy for the next year, can I get a Centrelink tag too, thanks :P

# ¿ Mar 4, 2015 11:01

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katlington posted:

Lyonhelm got in because people thought he was the LNP right? Any chance he'll retain his seat next time around?

I would say his chances are so close to zero they might as well be zero. No one outside of political diehards even know who he is.

# ¿ Mar 5, 2015 05:07

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Mithranderp posted:

In other news, rich person manages to avoid a recorded conviction for four counts of cocaine possession, only has to pay $2500 with no recorded conviction. This is for possession of more than 12 grams.

Let's keep this bandwagon rollin'

Police Officer assaults driver, rams vehicle, accuses the person he assaulted of being the person who rammed the car in a false report, resulting in false imprisonment. Also pressures a junior officer into backing his false report.

So what sentence does the flagrant abuse of granted power carry? A strict jail sentence to "set an example" that corrupt behavior in our police force won't be tolerated? Don't be silly.

Fined $7000. Suspended sentence.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/former-senior-police-officer-who-attacked-driver-has-shamed-the-force-20150305-13vym4.html

# ¿ Mar 5, 2015 05:26

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Avshalom posted:

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# ¿ Mar 5, 2015 10:31

Mattjpwns: Dec 14, 2006; In joyful strains then let us sing
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I'm about 400 posts behind because Uni's gone back and I can't be hosed reading back so apologies if this has already been posted but...

change from withinnnnnn

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/mar/11/labors-right-may-lose-control-of-conference-for-first-time-since-1984

quote:

Labor�s right faction is at risk of losing control of the party�s national conference for the first time since 1984 � a development that would create a major headache for Bill Shorten.

The ALP is currently in the process of settling the final composition of the 400 delegates to its mid-year national conference, and factional chiefs report the numbers are extremely tight.

One senior party source told Guardian Australia it was possible on current indications that �no one� could control the July conference � meaning that neither the left nor the right factions could muster a clear majority � creating kingmakers out of a small handful of independent delegates without formal factional allegiances.

The party�s right wing has enjoyed and enforced an effective lock on the national conference since the Hawke-Keating years, allowing various divisive policy debates to be settled mostly in line with the prevailing wishes of the party leadership.

The current party leader, Shorten, hails from the party�s right faction, and will rely on backing from his own camp to minimise turbulence and political embarrassment at his first national conference outing as the federal Labor leader.

Whether or not the right can emerge with a working majority depends on the final resolution of ALP conference delegates from New South Wales and Victoria � the two biggest blocs.

The right is confident about its prospects in Victoria, and factional chiefs are relying on an administrative process in NSW to calibrate the final numbers. Sixty of the 108 NSW delegates are expected to be selected centrally and 48 at the local electoral level. But there is a determined push on from the left to maximise final representation in NSW.

The shift in the overall factional balance reflects a recent shift in control of the Queensland branch from the right faction to the left faction; poor organisation and weak electoral representation in Western Australia and Tasmania; a breakdown in the organisation of the national right; and incremental democratisation within the party.

The ALP national conference determines the Labor party�s national platform, and this particular conference gives the opposition a springboard into the federal election, which is due in 2016.

But the outing carries significant political risks for Labor, which has attempted to move past the vicious internal divisions of the Rudd/Gillard period which ultimately cost the party government in 2013.

Shorten goes into the 2015 national conference facing significant internal flashpoints which include the vexed issue of party reform and achieving a more progressive policy platform to regulate the treatment of asylum seekers. Right sources are concerned the left could push for the complete unwinding of offshore processing.

Other points of conference controversy are expected to be a binding vote in favour of marriage equality, and debate about the status of Palestine.

The left faction is expected to oppose a push from the right to remove the socialist objective from the ALP platform.

Left sources also report significant frustration with Shorten�s personal agenda on party reform. His proposals are regarded as insufficiently ambitious.

In addition to the complication of whether or not the right faction emerges with a working majority for the July conference, there�s a further wildcard: many of this year�s conference flashpoints are unlikely to be settled along strict factional lines.

A push to moderate Labor�s hardline policy on unauthorised boat arrivals will be championed by the left but is also likely to win support from elements of Labor�s Catholic right.

Any serious Palestine debate is also likely to attract cross-factional support � with elements of the NSW right joining left-wingers in being supportive of recognising the state of Palestine.

I'll believe it when it happens, but :fap:

Also how the gently caress is marriage equality still a point of contention within the ALP? :psyduck:

"can't let those fuckin' homos marry, or they might want access to building sites next youse guys"

Mattjpwns fucked around with this message at 11:56 on Mar 11, 2015

# ¿ Mar 11, 2015 11:52

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Sulla-Marius 88 posted:

anidav you gently caress why aren't you part of this. you could have been the one

"creating kingmakers out of a small handful of independent delegates without formal factional allegiances, such as known Something Awful forums poster Anidav"

# ¿ Mar 11, 2015 11:57

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Doctor Spaceman posted:

Because traditionally the Labor right was heavily Catholic, and a lot of that carries over (eg de Bruyn).

The idea that choppers would make up half of the Liberal Cabinet would have been inconceivable during the Menzies era.

Yeah, wasn't that (de Bruyn) the guy that Gillard sold her soul to in order to get the leadership? I remember being shocked at her "no" vote until that came out.

Graic Gabtar posted:

What Australians aren't is collectively loving stupid.

Mattjpwns fucked around with this message at 12:49 on Mar 11, 2015

# ¿ Mar 11, 2015 12:46

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Endman posted:

Great minds think alike.

Stupid ones seldom differ. :smugbert:

# ¿ Mar 12, 2015 04:10

Mattjpwns: Dec 14, 2006; In joyful strains then let us sing
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markgreyam posted:

Has Australia actually ever really been a country heavily dedicated to science? I know that under the current government science is seen as a joke (presumably because you don't need science to know that goddidit) but current graduates wouldn't have been starting under a LNP government and yet there is still this imbalance. Is that just a "gotta make money" thing or a reflection on this country as a whole?

I switched from science to computer "science" when I was at university (completed my degree and been working tedious IT jobs for too long now), and I want to return to get a second degree in a STEM field but I get a lot of questions from people about the chances of employment from that, and it seems a pretty fair point.

Research is only one part of STEM jobs, and I know far too many people who went into a STEM field with the goal of becoming researchers who are now working tedious IT jobs. Competition is intense and positions are few - even when times were "better".

It would probably help if they were more specific about what specifics they're looking for in STEM graduates to meet the oft claimed "shortfall". It's a broad field.

# ¿ Mar 12, 2015 04:19

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QUACKTASTIC posted:

Can I please have some chicken

did you get some chicken (my) breasts from this transaction?

# ¿ Mar 13, 2015 13:41

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Jumpingmanjim posted:

Higher Education and Research Reform Bill 2014 voted down at 2nd reading | AYES 30 NOES 34 #highered

# ¿ Mar 17, 2015 09:37

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Murodese posted:

http://www.itnews.com.au/News/401763,brandis-to-introduce-site-blocking-legislation-this-week.aspx

INTERNET FILTERRRRRRRRR

2008 called, they want their legislation proposals back

:suicide:

# ¿ Mar 17, 2015 12:22

Mattjpwns: Dec 14, 2006; In joyful strains then let us sing
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can we go back to talking how the ALP needs to be burned to the ground for being a bunch of pathetic spineless hacks?

tia

gently caress, even HouseChat was better than this.

# ¿ Mar 19, 2015 07:24

Mattjpwns: Dec 14, 2006; In joyful strains then let us sing
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Our subsidised-by-the-billions mining industry now accounts for only ~220k jobs Australia wide, down 50k in the past 12 months.

http://www.theage.com.au/business/the-economy/mining-companies-shedding-jobs-by-the-thousands-20150319-1m35zx.html

Yet we'll still keep throwing money at them, because ~~donations~~ reasons.

# ¿ Mar 19, 2015 09:04

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Drugs posted:

i will never vote for the democrats. i have come to this decision solely on the basis of the comments from that awful man who posted here before.

same

that and the GST

and Kernot's defection to Labor for her own interests

but mostly the shitposting

Mattjpwns fucked around with this message at 09:18 on Mar 19, 2015

# ¿ Mar 19, 2015 09:15

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Murodese posted:

Because the victim was female and he wasn't a Muslim

yes, yes, that's all well and good but have we asked what role personal responsibility plays in this and what she could have done to lessen the chances of her bei... :suicide:

brb washing taste of bile out of my mouth knowing that this probably got said completely unironically in the comments threads of articles reporting on this.

edit: oh wait, Victorian Homicide Squad leader talking about a separate incident pretty much says this, holyfuckingchristonabikewithoutahelmet.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/parks-not-safe-for-women-says-homicide-squad-boss-20150319-1m2rgc.html

Mattjpwns fucked around with this message at 12:45 on Mar 19, 2015

# ¿ Mar 19, 2015 12:39

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Re: bystander syndrome, I think you only have to be the "victim" of it once to start recognising it and taking action when it's going on.

I had a guy yelling and screaming in my face, threatening violence for absolutely no reason on a reasonably full bus, and everyone else just sat there like nothing unusual was going on (including some "hard rear end" punk frontman from a local band who sat there like a useless sack of poo poo the whole time). Wound up talking him down over the course of 10-15 minutes then letting everyone else on the bus loving have it afterwards with the residual "oh poo poo, I'm about to get my head kicked in" adrenaline for being a bunch of spineless dickheads, including the driver who didn't even bother to call anything in while this was happening.

Since then, no issues speaking up when I see stuff like that going down. Being on the receiving end of that is terrifying and not something anyone should have to do alone, but unless you've been through it it *is* easier to pretend it's not happening and go "oh I'll step in when it escalates further". (you won't).

# ¿ Mar 20, 2015 05:34

Mattjpwns: Dec 14, 2006; In joyful strains then let us sing
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our are treasura

# ¿ Mar 31, 2015 03:51

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SynthOrange posted:

You must gather your party before venturing forth.

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# ¿ May 13, 2024 12:24

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ScreamingLlama posted:

we already did you dumb gently caress

well now you only have 50 more to go to reach the acceptable quota, glhf

# ¿ Mar 31, 2015 05:20

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