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SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



Ler posted:

Dr Kevin Bonham has a small analysis of the upcoming NSW election/polling here: http://kevinbonham.blogspot.co.at/2015/02/new-south-wales-roundup-is-even-this.html

quote:

While just voting 1 seems senseless in the context of a single election, in the long term sometimes exhausting your vote can be a tactic to force your preferred major party to lift its game.  Both in Queensland and NSW in 2011-2, many Green voters may well have exhausted their preference in disgust with the sorty state of Labor in both states.
Is this true and how effective is it?

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SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



Anybody see Frynenbergs comments on how even if Abbott wrote the gettysburg address certain members would still hate him? That rear end is the intellectually laziest motherfucker. "Those guys in my party? Yup, enemies. They probably hate Australia too!" Another private school to politics pipeline success story.


Josh Frydenberg rejects calls for royal commission into rogue financial advisers

quote:

Assistant treasurer Josh Frydenberg still sees no need for a royal commission into financial advisers despite the scandal that has rocked National Australia Bank.

Renewed calls for a royal commission came after the bank’s financial advice arm NAB Wealth confessed last month it had quietly paid out as much as $15m to 750 customers during the past five years because it “didn’t get it right the first time”.

NAB sacked 37 advisers and the Australian Securities and Investment Commission (ASIC) is further investigating the bank.

It follows a series of other scandals, including the nation’s biggest bank, the Commonwealth Bank.

A Senate inquiry last year urged a royal commission into the sector but this was dismissed by the government, a decision Frydenberg is standing by.

“That’s my view,” Frydenberg told ABC television.


Child molester rejects calls for royal comission into child molestation by friends.

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN fucked around with this message at 23:04 on Mar 1, 2015

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



Damnit Wong you're too good for labor.

Ragingsheep posted:

Like he gives a gently caress.

You know he does though.

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



Apparently Widodo denies ever telling Abbott over the phone that he was considering changing his position on the death penalty.

quote:

President Joko “Jokowi” Widodo has contradicted Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott’s claim that the President gave him an indication that he might soften his stance on the planned executions of 11 prisoners, including two Australian drug smugglers.

In an interview with daily business newspaper Kontan on Friday, the President reiterated that he would not commute the sentences imposed on drug traffickers as the country was in a state of emergency caused by drug abuse. He insisted that the executions of the convicts would go ahead as scheduled. On Thursday, the government had initially kept silent after Abbott issued his statement.

“Our position is clear: our laws cannot be interfered with,” the newspaper quoted Jokowi as saying. 

Abbott said he spoke with his “friend” Jokowi on Wednesday evening and claimed that the Indonesian leader “absolutely understands our position [...] and I think he is carefully considering Indonesia’s position”.

Abbott called Jokowi on Wednesday evening. It was part of the “damage control” conducted by the Australian leader after his earlier remarks, which linked Australia’s huge financial aid to Aceh after the 2004 tsunami to the executions of Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran, angered many Indonesians.

However, as reported by Reuters, Abbott declined to reveal the details of their telephone conversation. “I don’t want to raise hope that might turn out to be dashed,” said Abbott, who attended the inauguration of Jokowi as the country’s seventh president in October last year. - See more at: http://m.thejakartapost.com/news/2015/02/28/jokowi-denies-abbott-s-claim-about-executions.html#sthash.Lsj4l25F.dpuf
Sounds like the same trick he played with Bishop before the first spill except Widodo isn't beholden to Abbott so he called his bluff.

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



MysticalMachineGun posted:

Hello thread. It's a shame all this build up to the NSW election is just going to lead to a retained Lib government.

The QLD election was such a nice surprise :smith:

So the censure against Brandis pretty much means "the sitting government disapproves of what you did". Seems fairly toothless.

There is literally no way Brandis et al would ever face any real consequences. Official shaming is probably the best we will get and I wouldn't underestimate its sting. They were so upset over one of their mouth pieces being a convicted racist they tried to change the constitution.

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



Trapezium Dave posted:

I'm not sure with Abbott if he's wilfully lying (because even Abbott wouldn't be dim enough to try that with the Indonesian president). It could be that when people are diplomatically polite with him he interprets that what he wants to hear rather than paying attention to what they are actually saying.

Could be, though is it more or less dumb than threatening humanitarian aid, do you think? 😜

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



Sulla-Marius 88 posted:

Oh yeah, I think that's it. Isn't it wonderful when you misremember a PM's fuckups as pure incompetence and then it turns out they were just lying... Incompetently

Have another.

quote:

Australia is in the midst of an “unprecedented level of industrial action” within the public service, as workers refuse to accept pay offers put forward by the government, according to a trade union.

The departments of defence, employment, agriculture, human services and veterans’ affairs, as well as the CSIRO and tax office, have all moved to take industrial action over pay and conditions.

The Community and Public Sector Union (CPSU) said industrial action is now on the cards for agencies that represent half of the commonwealth’s nearly 160,000 public service workers.

“In over 20 years of enterprise bargaining, it is unheard of that not a single agency can make an offer that staff can accept,” the CPSU national secretary Nadine Flood told Guardian Australia. “It’s an unprecedented level of industrial action.”

Flood said public servants have been asked to trade away working conditions for a pay rise of 1% or less.

Employment minister Eric Abetz has rejected that.

“The CPSU consistently misrepresents and exaggerates matters to do with wage bargaining,” Abetz told Guardian Australia.

He said protected action to date has not been widespread.

“Most public servants appreciate the need to work with the government under the current budget conditions and would prefer a minimal wage rise with job security, rather than engage in the CPSU’s outlandish pay claims and its industrial actions,” he said.

“The CPSU should stop standing between public servants and wage outcomes which are affordable. The sooner the CPSU adopts a reasonable approach to bargaining, the sooner public servants will benefit from affordable deals which don’t endanger their own jobs.”


Shadow employment minister Brendan O’Connor said the offers made to public servants is not good enough.

“The Abbott government has shown its contempt for the public service by offering employees from several departments an unreasonable cut to their hard-won conditions on top of a pay cut in real terms,” he told Guardian Australia.

“The government cannot expect the Australian Public Service to function effectively when large numbers of staff are being sacked and those left behind are forced to fight for the most basic workplace entitlements.”

Flood said she “struggles to identify” a time when an employment minister has been so reluctant to negotiate.

The last time they had a face-to-face meeting was January 2014.

“Senator Abetz refuses to meet the CPSU and discuss bargaining. That is very unusual,” Flood said. “I think it’s bizarre. It’s bizarre to have a minister who won’t even discuss the problem.

“We are happy at any point to sit down and have a sensible discussion,” she said.

A spokeswoman for Abetz said the CPSU had been misguided in repeatedly writing to the minister as the bargaining agent for most of the various agencies and departments.

“The minister has said he will not discuss bargaining as he is not the agent. The minister is agreeable to discuss other matters,” she said.


Industrial action in the public service 'at an unprecedented level', says union

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



Comstar posted:

QANDA first question: 1% of the world owns 48% of the wealth. How can fix that?
Random person who is on the show for some reason: I don't believe that figure, who said that?
QANDA first question: Credit Swisse.
Random person who is on the show for some reason who clearly didn't want to hear the answer: I don't believe that number means anything...

I stopped watching TV at that point.



In other news, I hope the ABC keeps showing Mad As Hell in their actual news segments.

Lid posted:

If it was a man it was Josh Frydenberg (assistant treasurer), if it was a woman it was Trisha Jha (from the Centre for Independent Studies libertarian think tank).

Edit: lol at this qanda profile
So which was it? I will not watch q&a and I need to know who said that.

e: does anybody have the text of Brandis whine to the senate yesterday about his censure? Gradian only had some quotes.

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



Labor. :rolleye:

Comstar posted:


Cambell Newman got his revenge on the Trex.

Gonna lol when this turns out to be what happened.

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



TheMightyHandful posted:



They are doubling down on the flags. EIGHT!!

DEATH CULT DEATH CULT DEATH CULT

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



National security update: death cult

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



Abbott just said the US pulled out of Iraq with the job half done lol. It's funny watching him talk he, only gets animated when talking about death cult bad. Also given up trying to stop that tongue thing.

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



Freudian Slip posted:

Does anyone have a link to the Sussan Ley announcement?

I have just had another loving paper modelling the second part of Medicare part B accepted for publication. gently caress this Government - keep your policies long enough so that we can peer review them!

Still happening. Saying index will stay "paused" while she conducts "consultations."

e for last question Ley said she has now learned that rural healthcare is just as important as others :eek:

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN fucked around with this message at 03:52 on Mar 3, 2015

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



MysticalMachineGun posted:

Front page of the Advertiser today screams "LIVES FOR TREES".

Curious what the hell this meant, I had a brief look at the article and it's about "greenies" not allowing the road safety authority to remove roadside trees in the hills/country and this is causing driver death. Not drink driving, inattentiveness or speed, nope, it's the trees that are to blame :psyduck:

Found the full article:


Look, if the tree is in the bitumen then it should go. But it seems like there's so many other factors to tackle first.

quote:

“It is the greenies in the Adelaide Hills who are really unrelenting in keeping all the trees at the expense of all those lives,’’ he told The Advertiser.

[...]
“Council has not received any correspondence from Roger Cook or the MAC regarding traffic safety concerns in relations to roadside trees,” he said.
[...]

Mr Cook, whose only son Andrew, 22, died in a car accident,
John Robertson, who lost daughter Luci, 18, to a tree crash near Clare five years ago

Kid dies. Blames "the greenies" for a stopping a thing they never tried to do. Idk maybe he just assumed the dastardly greenies would stop him so why bother firing off an email?

markgreyam posted:



Also it's home to officially Australia's worst drivers.



Thats queensland and i will fight you over this.

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN fucked around with this message at 07:57 on Mar 3, 2015

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009





Also at the Goulburn candidates' forum, the Outdoor Recreation Party's Wal Ashton argued that all local cafes would be "run by ethnics" if penalty rates were not deregulated.

"I do not support these rigid laws. And in actual fact, if you want to have all our cafes run by ethnics - and nothing against ethnics - that's what will happen, because that's the only way you can actually pay labour on the weekend," Mr Ashton said, to murmurs from the audience.

"Sorry, guys," he added.

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009




So I'm thinking, poorly thought through attempt at creating some good news? Either that or Hockey had a stroke. Having seen his performance taking press questions today I'd call it 60/40.

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



Seemlar posted:

Prime Minister for Women and Malfunctioning Robot Tony Abbott was VERY excited about this

Wow that's real. Wtg Abbott, leading all those women to the promised land.

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



Errr..

Australian science research facilities prepare for shutdown as government refuses to secure funding

quote:

More than two dozen research facilities are preparing to shut down as administrators warn Australian science is suffering “immense” damage as a result of the federal government’s refusal to guarantee critical infrastructure funding.

About $150m in funding for 27 research infrastructure facilities promised in last year’s federal budget has been tied to the Abbott government’s higher-education changes, which have stalled in the Senate.

The facilities have no guaranteed funding past 30 June and up to 1,700 jobs are at risk if they are forced to shut down.

Among the sites funded by the National Collaborative Research Infrastructure Scheme (NCRIS) is the Australian Microscopy and Microanalysis Research Facility, where scientists invented the Nanopatch, a needle-free vaccine delivery patch that could dramatically slow the spread of viruses during a pandemic.

Another NCRIS-funded site, the Australian National Fabrication Facility (ANFF), is developing a system to mass produce the revolutionary patch, but will have to shut its doors if funding isn’t renewed.

[...]

Even if the education minister, Christopher Pyne, relents and passes a bill funding NCRIS, the damage will already have been done, Hicks said. “Obviously we’re losing people. I’m being asked for references.”

Some of the facility’s 94 staff – all but three of them researchers or technicians – will take jobs overseas, and one has already left for Canada, she added.

[...]

[The] exodus of highly specialised skills has begun and will only accelerate as the end of the year draws closer,” the letter said. “Furthermore, many of the facilities cannot be viably maintained if taken offline for significant periods.

“This means that if operational funding for 2015-16 is not confirmed in the next two months, the government will be effectively decommissioning high-cost public infrastructure that in many cases has years if not decades of productive working life remaining.”

About $40m worth of data-gathering instruments could be stranded in Australia’s oceans if the June deadline passes without renewal, Tim Moltmann, the director of the Integrated Marine Observing System (IMOS), said.

[...]

Pyne said in January that the Senate would need to pass his higher education changes to guarantee funding for NCRIS, as well as government support to Tafe students and the Future Fellowships scholarship scheme. “It’s a high-stakes game,” he said.

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



It's a free house for you, Jim!

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



We're all going to die.

Joe Hockey posted:

So how can the government help? Well we need to enable consumers. Consumers are on the march, consumers are changing the world through the use of technology. They are disintermediating every day life and government and regulation, and consumers need to be empowered. They need to be sovereign. We’ve got to facilitate change rather than restrict change and that is a problem facing governments everywhere in the world

Consumers of australia lend me your upvotes.

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



They're using liberals 2014 midyear lol.

Chris Bowen posted:

The previous policy that this document refers to is not the policy of the previous Labor government. The previous policy in this document is from the mid year economic forecast (Myefo) which the treasurer himself brought down, including $14bn of extra spending, including $9bn to the Reserve Bank, the doubling of the deficit.

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



Susan Ryan Age and Disability Discrimination Commissioner  says the IGR is great news because grey army. :raise:

e

quote:

The Greens are going to move to change the charter of budget honesty to ensure the parliamentary budget office does future intergenerational reports rather than directed by treasurer.
Seems like a good idea even if it would just result in a different government department being sabotaged.

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN fucked around with this message at 03:40 on Mar 5, 2015

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-05/bali-nine-executions-not-this-week-indonesian-president/6281690

Ms Bishop had proposed to repatriate three convicted Indonesian drug criminals in return for the lives of the two men.

It is understood Indonesia did not accept the offer during a tense phone call on Tuesday between Ms Bishop and her Indonesian counterpart.

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



Lyonhelm got in because people thought he was the LNP right? Any chance he'll retain his seat next time around?

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



Avshalom posted:

MIGF! :neckbeard: Please stay, this is the thread for you.

This is the worst thing you've ever posted.

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



We're gonna find out who is right about accelerationism vis whether we bounce or crash.

cpaf posted:

Pyne is using the same strategy Morrison used, except, where Morrison is an expert and well-practiced bully, Pyne is a spineless nobody with the authority of a wet fart
Those kids were still in detention last I heard?

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



spamman posted:

Apparently during that debate staff from Scott Morrison's office and department passed Muir's phone number to asylum seekers in Manus and Nauru and encouraged them to get their kids to ring him and plead to him for their freedom. I can't really hold it against the guy.

Tell me you have a source for this :psyboom:

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009




Laying mines for the future. Even when they're gone they'll have installed enough worms to cripple departments. Gwb did the same when he filled the justice department with liberty university alum.

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



Zetsubou-san posted:



he looks so happy

This is great I love this so much.

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



quote:

...
When we asked them for food or water they said ‘if you don’t like this situation you have to [go] back to your country’.”

“They kept us in very bad situation and some of the women were sick … but they just laughing at us.”

The bail form refugees were required to sign commits them to a surety of $500, to be paid if the refugee fails to appear in court when summonsed, or if he or she breaches bail conditions. The handwritten bail conditions are: “to keep peace and not to re-offend”.

The bail form does not say with what offence they have been charged, or if they have been charged at all. Refugees, who are given an allowance of $180 a fortnight, have said any fine would be an impossible to pay. Those who have found jobs earn about between three and four dollars an hour.

According to a directive issued by the Nauru police director, Corey Caleb, breaching the peace includes gathering in groups larger than three. Any protesters who fail to disperse when ordered can be jailed.

Refugees are also restricted in where they can go on the island. They cannot go to schools, the hospital, airport, harbours or parliament.

Nauru’s constitution guarantees “every person in Nauru ... freedom of conscience, of expression and of peaceful assembly and association”.

Guardian Australia called Caleb several times on his mobile phone, but calls were not answered.

Nauru’s president, Baron Waqa, said police had not been violent towards refugee protesters, but that they would not be allowed to demonstrate on the streets. He said “faceless people” in Australia were inciting resistance on Nauru.

“Refugees [are] safe in the country and talk to the contrary is blatant lies spread by Australian advocates and lawyers,” he said in a statement.


Australia’s immigration minister, Peter Dutton, said the protests on Nauru were a matter for local authorities, but that Australia’s offshore resettlement policy would not be influenced by protests.

“If people who have been resettled on Nauru believe that these activities will change Australia’s position – they are wrong ... those who come illegally by boat will never be settled in Australia.”

He said refugees should treat the people and government of Nauru with “gratitude and respect”.
The lnp is providing Nauru with their pr playbook, I see. This whole thing is a crime.


Refugees on Nauru say they were forced to sign bail orders banning protests

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



Gough Suppressant posted:

So Joe Hockey farted from his mouth the idea of allowing people to draw from their superannuation to use as a deposit on a first home.

Much like the treasurer of australia, my only economics qualifications come through relation, but off the top of my head I can think of a number of problems with this.

- Like the first home owners grant it serves mainly to continue inflating the price of houses thus not making anything more affordable.
- People are at the best of times really bad at assessing future benefit vs immediate benefit, and will value a $50k deposit now far more highly than $50k when they retire
- People will think of a $50k deposit now as actually only being worth $50k, rather than $50k + 40 years of compounding interest.
- It decreases the value of your super, your second most valuable asset, to put into your house, your most valuable asset, leaving your total wealth less diversified and more at risk to market failure
- It encourages people to take out more ambitious mortgages to take advantage of "FREE MONEYS", with less consideration to whether the loan is appropriate to them in terms of income, job security etc
- You wind up with people retiring at 65 70 75 120 with less money to fund their own retirement and thus having to go on the pension starve in the streets

Like jesus gently caress, this is probably the dumbest policy Joe Hockey has ever thought of and it is sure not for lack of competition.

A solution that causes additional new problem without addressing the original issue? Yeah that sounds about right for Hockey.

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



Lid posted:

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Burn it all.

Abc headline, "Sexual harassment rife in medical profession, senior surgeon Dr Gabrielle McMullin says" Lol. 😧

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



Periphery posted:

A horrible idea by a horrible person:


What could possibly go wrong?

quote:

"If we locate many of our water intensive industries to the Canning Basin where there is yet none we'd barely dent its huge water carrying capacity," he said.

"Each year its recharges is literally topped up again like a bath tub. Take it out at one end, its topped up again the other."

Hahahahaha.

open24hours posted:

I don't know why he keeps getting given a platform for his harebrained schemes. First welfare reform and now this. I wish I was a loudmouth billionaire so people would put my halfbaked ideas on TV.

Espouses views popular with the rest of the ruling class.

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



Cartoon posted:

A slight update on the peddo van business. One of my sources was down in the area and reports that the man in question had two foster children removed from his care three years ago and this is why he is a person of interest to the police. They didn't sight the van however. The person has not been charged of any crime (related to children) at any point and I am now effectively just spreading rumour.

In NSW election news the LNP are guaranteeing power prices will fall if they privatise the poles and wires and have banned speaking in Abrabic in prison if you are a 'terror' offender.

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2015/03/08/hazzard-imposes-arabic-ban-goulburn-jail
Chilling. Welcome to the new police state! Dog whistle included!

Misguided Muppet State Government.

Holy poo poo now we're just ripping off the onion, wholesale.

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



Orkin Mang posted:

what's phonics exactly and why is it bad? i'd never heard of it until now and it's sort of weird that conservatives would be advocating for a particular language teaching strategy. you guys all say it's discredited but you don't say why.


Under phonics, once a child learns the basic and simple phonetic building blocks, the child can read any word and any book. Public schools have typically taught a "look and say" or word recognition approach to reading which limits the child to reading only words that the child has previously seen.


One reason homeschoolers perform better than public schoolstudents on tests is that homeschoolers learn how to read with phonics in higher percentages than public school students do.In the United Kingdom it is sometimes described as a "back to basics" approach, which "despite being sneered at by the liberaltinkerers whose modern theories of teaching have caused so much damage to almost two generations, is turning the tide of illiteracy in some of the nation's most underprivileged areas."

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



Anidav posted:

Can anyone else see Tony milking IS for a narrow election victory?

I see him milking the hell out if it every day come hell or high water.

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



Anidav posted:

Goons Christopher Pyne is at QUT today and I asked him to attend a Something Awful dot com meet up this month and he decline by saying

"I know what you guys do."

Hello Chris.

Christopher pyne is ironicwarcriminal.

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



Lol, moron. See how the idiot's argument changes from it's not happening to nobody who matters cares that it's happening.

*points* *laughs*

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009




quote:

We're not looking to provide evidence. We're just looking at information of where there's likely to be an issue," he said.

When pressed by Mr Moss over allegations that Save the Children staff encouraged asylum seekers to self harm, Mr Mitchell provided no specific evidence, instead citing a previous report from former operations manager at Nauru, Greg Lake.

"I'm feeding back to Lake's comments in July," Mr Mitchell said.

"He says he knows this goes on. Coaching absolutely does go on."

Mr Moss said more clarification was needed.
[...]

"I think it was either the 28th or the 29th of September," he told Mr Moss.

"I was approached by someone from the department ... [who] just said that we're interested in anything you've got on Save the Children."
Of course it was all bullshit from the very begining. Whoever heard of something so ridiculous as refugee advocates or whoever encouraging self harm, I find it very difficult to believe any adult would ever believe such a thing.* Also peter dutton looks like a pimple in a suit.

*not counting feigning belief and concern, obviously.

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Jun 26, 2009



Wtf are the lnp doing in SA?

Birb Katter posted:

Has anyone found a way to kill Australia because it deserves to die
That's a bit harsh why would you say a thing like tha-

quote:

Immigration department delivers three boxes of mail to barrister Julian Burnside – six months after he was assured it was being distributed to detainees

[...]

By November last year the matter had moved to the department’s acting assistant secretary, Kylie Scholten, who emailed Burnside advising him that if he wanted to follow this up with the relevant postal services, “I recommend you search online.”

She added: “In future if you have any feedback about offshore processing, please contact the department’s global feedback unit” and provided a web address.
👎

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