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Negative Entropy: Nov 30, 2009

Dr Anthony Lyndham is out doing clean up Australia day, I just got a photo of him with 2 attendees.

he does not support meta data retention. and thinks it's abhorrent that federal Labor is caving. I told him to recant the Labor policy of detention overseas and asked him about the NBN and if it's too far hosed. he doesn't think so but noone really knows what's going on with that. He says the smart state funds are still there just sitting in an account doing nothing. state Labor is going to make another science push. the Boggo road labs are mostly empty waiting for companies to form and take residence. he encouraged me to make a start up and take ownership of one.

I'll try to get him to the next Brisgoons meet.

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Negative Entropy: Nov 30, 2009

Kommando posted:

Dr Anthony Lyndham is out doing clean up Australia day, I just got a photo of him with 2 attendees.

he does not support meta data retention. and thinks it's abhorrent that federal Labor is caving. I told him to recant the Labor policy of detention overseas and asked him about the NBN and if it's too far hosed. he doesn't think so but noone really knows what's going on with that. He says the smart state funds are still there just sitting in an account doing nothing. state Labor is going to make another science push. the Boggo road labs are mostly empty waiting for companies to form and take residence. he encouraged me to make a start up and take ownership of one.

I'll try to get him to the next Brisgoons meet.

I need some help wording a letter inviting him to the Meet.

# ¿ Mar 1, 2015 10:44

Negative Entropy: Nov 30, 2009

Mithranderp posted:

I'm at work rn but I'll see what I can do when I finish uni tomorrow

Thanks.

# ¿ Mar 1, 2015 12:36

Negative Entropy: Nov 30, 2009

The Tettersals club is a gentleman's club in brisbane.

http://www.trybooking.com/Booking/BookingEventSummary.aspx?eid=122790

The QLD LNP is hosting an international women's day function there...

# ¿ Mar 4, 2015 05:52

Negative Entropy: Nov 30, 2009

Pickled Tink posted:

New first dog:

# ¿ Mar 4, 2015 06:37

Negative Entropy: Nov 30, 2009

sick trigger posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mupzb2ySpWQ

I logged in upstairs to post this.

quote:

Scott's hair appears courtesy of genetics, good care and a balanced diet.

# ¿ Mar 4, 2015 07:53

Negative Entropy: Nov 30, 2009

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/mar/04/research-facilities-prepare-shutdown-government-refuses-secure-funding?CMP=soc_567

The future of some successful Australian science institutes is now tied by the neck to the Education Reforms and the LNP is basically playing chicken with the future of australian science. The brain drain is real and Senate Labor is being forced to choose between killing a lot of efficient breakthrough producing labs and letting $100,000 degrees through.

quote:

Australian science research facilities prepare for shutdown as government refuses to secure funding
Up to 1,700 jobs at 27 facilities at risk from 30 June, with $150m in vital funding tied to the Coalition�s higher-education changes

More than two dozen research facilities are preparing to shut down as administrators warn Australian science is suffering �immense� damage as a result of the federal government�s refusal to guarantee critical infrastructure funding.

About $150m in funding for 27 research infrastructure facilities promised in last year�s federal budget has been tied to the Abbott government�s higher-education changes, which have stalled in the Senate.

The facilities have no guaranteed funding past 30 June and up to 1,700 jobs are at risk if they are forced to shut down.

Among the sites funded by the National Collaborative Research Infrastructure Scheme (NCRIS) is the Australian Microscopy and Microanalysis Research Facility, where scientists invented the Nanopatch, a needle-free vaccine delivery patch that could dramatically slow the spread of viruses during a pandemic.

Another NCRIS-funded site, the Australian National Fabrication Facility (ANFF), is developing a system to mass produce the revolutionary patch, but will have to shut its doors if funding isn�t renewed.

�We will close on the 30th June. There�s no magic bullet, there�s nothing up our sleeves,� ANFF chief executive, Rosie Hicks, said. �We are now entering the phase where we have to make wind-down plans.�

Even if the education minister, Christopher Pyne, relents and passes a bill funding NCRIS, the damage will already have been done, Hicks said. �Obviously we�re losing people. I�m being asked for references.�

Some of the facility�s 94 staff � all but three of them researchers or technicians � will take jobs overseas, and one has already left for Canada, she added.

The uncertainty also means the facility has not entered into any commercial contracts past the end of June, meaning revenue will likely fall even if the government money comes through.

Senate estimates heard last week the number of jobs funded in whole or part by NCRIS has grown to 1,700. Around 35,000 researchers use NCRIS facilities and services each year.

Fifteen heads of university and research institutions issued an open letter to Pyne on Thursday warning of the �immense� damage the closure of NCRIS facilities would do to Australian research, which they said would be �set back by several years�.

�[The] exodus of highly specialised skills has begun and will only accelerate as the end of the year draws closer,� the letter said. �Furthermore, many of the facilities cannot be viably maintained if taken offline for significant periods.

�This means that if operational funding for 2015-16 is not confirmed in the next two months, the government will be effectively decommissioning high-cost public infrastructure that in many cases has years if not decades of productive working life remaining.�

About $40m worth of data-gathering instruments could also be stranded in Australia�s oceans if the June deadline passes without renewal, Tim Moltmann, the director of the Integrated Marine Observing System (IMOS), said.

The agency, which deploys equipment to take scientific measurements in the ocean, has budgeted to run its instruments until June, �but no provision has been made for decommissioning�, Moltmann said.

He said its 80 employees were anxious about the June deadline. �Staff are nervous and some of our operators have already lost staff who didn�t necessarily want to leave but who have had to go and find more secure employment,� he said.

IMOS staff mostly worked regional hubs such Hobart and Townsville. �A majority of those positions are at risk without further funding,� he said.

An independent review of NCRIS due in May has reportedly found the program operates effectively and efficiently.

Hicks said the program was �world-leading� but that both major parties had only ever granted it short-term funding.

�We�ve been in a pretty difficult situation for a number of years with the funding being for quite short periods,� she said of her facility. �But we�ve never been three months from shutdown.�

Astronomer and Nobel laureate Brian Schmidt said the cuts would be a �hit to research like I have never seen in the 20 years I have been in Australia�.

�It really is the foundations of the research we do across the country, across all disciplines so it will have an enormous effect and it is something we cannot let happen,� he told ABC radio.

He said successive governments had invested more than $2b in the program over the past decade. �To suddenly put at risk the bridge between the past and the future such that all of that investment, $2bn over the last decade is suddenly put at risk, seems to be unconscionable,� he said.

�Ultimately, this is not the way a grown up country behaves. It�s very childish and it�s having a profound impact on something that is going to increase the productivity of the nation.�

Pyne said on Thursday it was Labor who set the funding deadline of 30 June, and that the government wanted to keep the program going. �That requires the [higher education] reform to pass to provide the savings,� he said in a statement.

�The funds for NCRIS only exist because of savings elsewhere in the higher education package.

�The way for Labor to support NCRIS, which they themselves defunded, is to support the higher education reforms.

�Labor needs to stop playing politics and enter negotiations with the government because it will be on the heads of Labor, the Greens and the crossbenchers if it closes,� he said.

Labor�s research and innovation spokesman, Kim Carr, said the government was holding the program �hostage� and could fund NCRIS at any time through an appropriations bill. �The reality is that the government is playing chicken with the country�s future,� he said.

RIP Australian Science.

# ¿ Mar 5, 2015 06:58

Negative Entropy: Nov 30, 2009

How long before Tone and Julie beg and grovel to get these drug fiends pardoned and sent home?

Threats of invasion. etc etc

the moment they die the libs will lose interest.

# ¿ Mar 6, 2015 03:15

Negative Entropy: Nov 30, 2009

Les Affaires posted:

I think the smugglers will be executed well before abbott and bishop pass away, so this is a pretty big rabbit out of the hat...

huh?

While a pleasant thought, abbot and bishop pushing daisies, i was meaning the moment the smugglers are declared dead the libs will move onto the other atrocities on their agenda.

# ¿ Mar 6, 2015 03:21

Negative Entropy: Nov 30, 2009

asio posted:

The reason for this is 1) that the greed of the south can't be contained and 2) southerners moving north. Ever since qld has been getting rulers from down south, from Brisbane to Newman, the state has been beaten and plundered.

What's the point of being banana/sugar/beef capital of the southern hemisphere if capitalists keep magicking away the money? It's nice that you have a little Europe down there with your quirky 'lanes' and paid graffiti artists but it's paid for with the blood of Queensland workers.

Where do you think the ganja that inspires your hip new bands comes from? How does the year round fresh fruit that you blend up for your new peer-approved diet get in your organic local produce grocery store?

Throw us a bone with state of origin, great. What does it say when the one time the odds are evened that Queensland is the best. "Oh but that's just rapey sport," well, show me one thing comparable in opportunity and I'll wager Queensland will be the best at that too.

I loving hate it here.
Its like the humidity does something to peoples brains to make them selfcentrerd assholes.

CrazyTolradi posted:

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...308-13ymlk.html

Good. At least the rest of the world is paying attention.

# ¿ Mar 8, 2015 23:22

Negative Entropy: Nov 30, 2009

Brisgoons, your appointed (by Anidav) leader has located a venue for the next Brisgoon meet.

INDIMEX

https://www.indimex.com.au/
http://www.urbanspoon.com/r/337/1854162/restaurant/Brisbane/Indimex-Cafe-Bar-Restaurant-Greenslopes

Imagine a taco full of butter chicken with guac.

# ¿ Mar 9, 2015 00:24

Negative Entropy: Nov 30, 2009

Cartoon posted:

I'm in Brisbane (3rd) 4th to 5th (6th) April. Delivering round brown lumpy objects all over Brisbane backyards.

Cant be a March meet in April. But can have an April meet in April.

# ¿ Mar 9, 2015 01:17

Negative Entropy: Nov 30, 2009

It gets kinda echo chamber in here and i'm keen to hear genuine discussion of different views and the reasons for them. Half of australia (if you go by the polls) supports the PM, it would probably serve Auspol well if we heard from those who do.

its a hallmark of auspol to tell people to :frogout:

and kill yourselves, but it gets pretty circlejerk :circlefap:

at times and the floor gets sticky.

# ¿ Mar 9, 2015 03:25

Negative Entropy: Nov 30, 2009

The auspol thread moves so fast, i feel like i go days without posting because im just reading.

# ¿ Mar 9, 2015 03:28

Negative Entropy: Nov 30, 2009

Huragok posted:

Generally, the left-right divide is a science/gut-feeling divide (respectively). It's hard to argue against those who argue against the scientific method.

Oh im aware of that. Discussing a topic rationally is wasted on the irrational. But getting an insight into what sort of reasoning, and bent reasoning, and outright bigotry can be enlightening.

I stated before my battletech mate flat out says he doesnt give a poo poo about the reef, doesnt like gays and cares about his standard of living over others.
thats valid reasoning for his position voting LNP.
I have to frame the argument in an economic sense rather than a compassionate or environmental fashion.

# ¿ Mar 9, 2015 03:32

Negative Entropy: Nov 30, 2009

Huragok posted:

Your friend is a psychopath ... and so are half of the Australian electorate.

Its rare to have them admit it though.

# ¿ Mar 9, 2015 03:39

Negative Entropy: Nov 30, 2009

We should also have the humility to admit we don't have all the right answers.

Pol Pot, Eva Peron, Emperor Hirohito, Angela Merkel, Malcolm Turnbull, Barak Obama, Geoff Gallop and your mum have all believed they're doing the right thing.

Negative Entropy fucked around with this message at 03:58 on Mar 9, 2015

# ¿ Mar 9, 2015 03:53

Negative Entropy: Nov 30, 2009

Les Affaires posted:

What an... interesting list.

added your mum for contrast

# ¿ Mar 9, 2015 03:58

Negative Entropy: Nov 30, 2009

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2015/03/09/aus-sick-un-lectures-abbott

quote:

Australians are sick of being lectured on asylum seekers by the UN, which should acknowledge government successes, Tony Abbott says.

Tony Abbott has criticised the United Nations in the wake of a report condemning the government�s asylum seeker policies.

The report, due to be submitted to the UN Human Rights Council on Monday, stated that some policies have breached the United Nations Convention against Torture.

It was prepared by Juan Mendez, the UN special rapporteur on torture, and focused on concerns about Manus Island, as well as recent amendments to maritime laws.

Mr Abbott has rejected the allegations.

'I think the UN's representatives would have a lot more credibility if they were to give some credit to the Australian government'.
Speaking to reporters on Monday, he said the UN�s representative should give the government some credit.

�I think Australians are sick of being lectured to by the United Nations, particularly given that we have stopped the boats,� he said.

�The most humanitarian, the most decent, the most compassionate thing you can do is stop these boats.�

Mr Abbott also said the conditions on Manus Island were �reasonable, under all the circumstances�.

�All the basic needs of the people on Manus Island are being met,� he said.

"... Everyone's needs for food, for clothing, for shelter, for safety are being more than met"

Human Rights Law Centre director of legal advocacy Daniel Webb says the report finds detention of asylum seekers on Manus Island, and conditions at the centre, violate the convention.

"The torture convention prohibits subjecting people to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment," he said in a statement.

"The report confirms that by leaving people locked up indefinitely in appalling conditions on a remote island."

�Australia is failing to meet this basic standard�.

New laws broadening maritime powers, introduced last year, also came under scrutiny.

Australia is found to have violated the convention with "arbitrary detention and refugee determination at sea, without access to lawyers".

The report is also critical of the government's incomplete responses to some allegations.

Mr Mendez, a lawyer and human rights activist, was tasked with investigating alleged violations of the Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment around the world.

With AAP.

# ¿ Mar 9, 2015 05:03

Negative Entropy: Nov 30, 2009

Anidav posted:

Goons Christopher Pyne is at QUT today and I asked him to attend a Something Awful dot com meet up this month and he decline by saying

"I know what you guys do."

Hello Chris.

Sweet Jesus. So close.

# ¿ Mar 9, 2015 09:58

Negative Entropy: Nov 30, 2009

Clive! Yesssssss! :rms:

# ¿ Mar 9, 2015 10:05

Negative Entropy: Nov 30, 2009

MARCH BRISGOON AUSPOL MEET

Where are we eating, when are we eating?

Do we want to return to Sukachi now its reopened and spend $400 on chicken and beer, or go to Mu'ooz like we keep intending to, or shall we pick a new indian place?

Cartoon wants to come and meet early april so im fine with any time/place

# ¿ Mar 10, 2015 02:28

Negative Entropy: Nov 30, 2009

# ¿ Mar 10, 2015 03:55

Negative Entropy: Nov 30, 2009

Matthew Beet posted:

I see you removed the independent australia watermark.

I just stole it from facebook.

# ¿ Mar 10, 2015 04:54

Negative Entropy: Nov 30, 2009

thatbastardken posted:

wait, 400 each? cause that's a bit exxy.

No, the total bill was something like ~$400.

# ¿ Mar 10, 2015 06:04

Negative Entropy: Nov 30, 2009

cpaf posted:

Very sorry front left Goon I am sure you are a very beautiful person and poster but in the spirit of WAYWT those glasses make you look like George Christiensen

Paging CraziTolradi. Also pictured, Anidav, Shadeoses, Bifauxnen, Urcher, and less frequent posters.

# ¿ Mar 10, 2015 06:06

Negative Entropy: Nov 30, 2009

Can someone find the news about Tony Abbott pulling money from regional communities saying "We wont be subsidising peoples life choices" or some poo poo. I only caught half of it as it was said on TripleJ news.

# ¿ Mar 10, 2015 06:07

Negative Entropy: Nov 30, 2009

markgreyam posted:

class warfare

who?

# ¿ Mar 10, 2015 06:33

Negative Entropy: Nov 30, 2009

Graic Gabtar posted:

The boats were stopped and then the passengers and crew were sent back.

That would count as a boat being stopped.

Orkin Mang posted:

kill urself! die!!

No no, GG is correct, this is an argument of definitions.

The majority here, and I dare say the chief humanitarian angle is to remove the need to put a boat to sea as "Stopped", if we had better communication and an established refugee procedure to resettle asylum seekers then the risk of life lost in leaky boats between indonesia and the Kimberly is diminished. However as long as there is injustice and violence in this world and Australia does not (generally) then boats will keep coming. Its pretty much impossible to stop.

The opposition, current implementation and three word slogan of the last election appears to be framed in an interception angle meaning "Stopped". A treating the symptoms approach rather than a cure. This includes information of the task.
I was aware of this but didnt really grasp that we're from different approaches until you said it just now. It makes sense now.

So the LNP checked off "Stopped the boats" by intercepting the ones the navy could, and blocking information about the whole lot, and stuff those that dont agree with their definition.

Negative Entropy fucked around with this message at 06:43 on Mar 10, 2015

# ¿ Mar 10, 2015 06:40

Negative Entropy: Nov 30, 2009

MC Eating Disorder posted:

genuinely snorted out loud when I read this.

In other news is there any chance of scheduling the next Brisbane Goonmeet on a weekday night? I work Friday-Sunday nights usually and if I have it off I usually don't feel like going out anyway, but I'd love to come get food poisoning and make awkward jokes about stairs with you guys. If we're accommodating Cartoon and its on a weekend don't gently caress with that on my account, but just putting it out there now I've been posting long enough to feel comfortable meeting some of you in a public place, especially now that I've seen you all and know that I will be the most handsome and worst dressed person in the room

For the last 6 months the brisbane goonmeets have been on a weeknight. Its been easier for all.

# ¿ Mar 10, 2015 06:41

Negative Entropy: Nov 30, 2009

Mithranderp posted:

He is a very beautiful person he just doesn't know how to smile.

# ¿ Mar 10, 2015 06:47

Negative Entropy: Nov 30, 2009

MC Eating Disorder posted:

I'm sure there was one on sunday recently that I almost wound up going to but I was broke and didn't feel comfortable begging for someone to buy me a beer when Anidav obviously already has that racket sewn up

We're always able to buy you a beer or a naan. Fair go mate.

# ¿ Mar 10, 2015 06:56

Negative Entropy: Nov 30, 2009

Lurkers like Captain Red.

Drink up Captain.

# ¿ Mar 10, 2015 07:14

Negative Entropy: Nov 30, 2009

MC Eating Disorder posted:

I'm really uncomfortable asking people I've never met before to buy me a beer but now that you've offered I'll make sure to bee-line my way to you and suggest we do shots of whisky first thing when I arrive

# ¿ Mar 10, 2015 07:21

Negative Entropy: Nov 30, 2009

Mad Katter posted:

IDGI, can't they just dig their own grid?

Not enough grid paper.

# ¿ Mar 10, 2015 07:26

Negative Entropy: Nov 30, 2009

MC Eating Disorder posted:

The argument for penalty rates and the argument against having a workforce primarily of casuals are almost identical though. If your profit margins are thin enough that you need to abolish penalty rates or you need to have perfectly uniform wage percentages (ie have a staff made up almost entirely of casuals) in order to maintain a functioning business over time, then you're basically avoiding going out of business at the expense of your employees lifestyle. You can say that these casual jobs aren't meant for real adults but if you haven't noticed, the casualisation of the workforce isn't referring to kids working in cafes, its in manufacturing, its even in low skill white collar jobs like data entry, its creeping into every field of work that doesn't require a degree and its getting a lot worse. Technically, you're meant to be able to ask to go onto permanent fulltime/parttime after six months in a work place, but guess what? If you're casual, you're replaceable, and if you don't know your rights or don't have anyone to advocate for your rights (which is pretty likely because there's not much a union can do for you as a casual) you probably don't even know that in the first place, and even if you do, you basically have to accept that a lot of work places are just simply going to stop giving you hours and assume you can't afford to pursue any legal action against them, which is pretty much true most of the time. Casual employment needs to exist in some form, or hiring students would be loving impossible, but acting like giving adult employees guaranteed hours each week is some kind of inconvenience business can't afford to bear is disingenuous bullshit

Professional science is rife with casualised workforce, esp out in the mines. 4 month contracts and they replace you or try to get you to move out there.

Also. As a parting gift from Newman, QLD govt workers have been 30 day rolling contracts. (secondhand source)

# ¿ Mar 10, 2015 23:45

Negative Entropy: Nov 30, 2009

Graic Gabtar posted:

I'll take the piss a little by asking what planet are you living on? For every decent small business owner I meet I meet another completely lazy arsehole.

Besides that, you make some perfectly correct observations. However, the statistics do back the rhetoric - somewhat. What is it? Around 70% of people in the private sector are employed by SMB but in reality they make gently caress all of the cash compared to the other 30% of large industry. So what you say if arguably correct, but 70% is still 70%. A lot of SMB would also benefit.

Any politician cares for any constituency that delivers them block votes. What they might think of them is a completely different matter.

The two... three small businesses i've worked for have all had rear end in a top hat bosses.

first was a servo, paid in cash, paid under award, blamed me when someone drove off without paying in the middle of the night (like i was going to chase their car on foot, invest in cameras dolt)
second was a net cafe owner who didnt pay me or the staff i managed super and told me "what are you worrying about super for, you're not retiring anytime soon", ATO got my super from him 6 years later.
third was a concrete who was a litigious jerk who blackmailed me. Threatened to bury me in court if I didnt like it.

I hear about these good small business owners, but my experience is different. I'd say the good/bad ratio is less than the 50% you claim.

# ¿ Mar 11, 2015 00:32

Negative Entropy: Nov 30, 2009

asio posted:

I went to a pie face that had a photo of the owners on the wall and it was just as awkward as the german club that has a photo of kaiser Wilhelm over the door

Nothing wrong with the German Club, it has a rich history.

# ¿ Mar 11, 2015 01:46

Negative Entropy: Nov 30, 2009

March Brisbane Auspol Goonmeet.

Mu'ooz. West End.
~East African foods~

This monday (16th) or the next monday (23rd)?

Also:

quote:

Good afternoon Andrew.

Thank you for your email and kind words.

We have passed your email and invitation onto Anthony for when he is next in the Electorate Office.

Please do not hesitate to keep in touch.

Regards

Janet Hackwood
Assistant Electorate Officer
Office of Dr Anthony Lynham MP
State Member for Stafford
207/6 Babarra Street
Stafford Qld 4053
Telephone: 3356 4367

# ¿ Mar 12, 2015 04:20

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# ¿ May 10, 2024 21:23

Negative Entropy: Nov 30, 2009

Ragingsheep posted:

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/vietnamese-boats-unseaworthy-government-sources-say-20150311-1411bi.html

garish
ˈɡɛːrɪʃ/
adjective
obtrusively bright and showy; lurid.

A lifeboat thats supposed to be seen by rescuers... garish. What an interesting choice of words.

fiery_valkyrie posted:

If they really have to be sent back (they dont) just put them on a loving plane. Jetstar flights from Darwin to Indonesia are as cheap as $150 per person. I'm sure the government can find some ~~bribe money~~ foreign aid to make this palatable.

But then the boats wont have been stopped, only the refugees.

# ¿ Mar 13, 2015 00:18

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