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thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth

SadisTech posted:

https://www.facebook.com/AlboMP/photos/a.537786969588753.119653.537762462924537/906240532743393/?type=1

So Albanese posted this image on Facebook:

I got to tell you, the general tenor of the comments it's attracting is genuinely heartening, for a change. Hopefully someone takes note. they won't

Those sure are some nice buzzwords and feel good statements.

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thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth

freebooter posted:

It seems odd to me that a lot of people are listing "being tied to one area" as a con for buying as house. Most people, once they have kids, probably want to be in the same area for at least the next 20 years anyway. (And if you never have kids then you'll probably be financially well off enough not to worry about the concerns of housing unaffordability.)

Not every one has secure long term work where they live. My parents were both in the Navy and we moved 5 times when i was in school. People in the construction industry are constantly moving to where the work is.

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth

Mithranderp posted:

In other news, rich person manages to avoid a recorded conviction for four counts of cocaine possession, only has to pay $2500 with no recorded conviction. This is for possession of more than 12 grams.

It was for 4 counts of possession totaling up to 12 grams.

The judge made the right decision.

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth

Mithranderp posted:

To a football star, 2500 is nothing. I'd be more in favour of community service and drug education than of jail time or a fine.

Yes $2500 may not be as much of a hit to a professional sportsman than to Joe Public, but that's ignoring the fact that he has been named and shamed internationally. Joe Public would not have experienced that.

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth

gay picnic defence posted:

I googled this to see what it was and found a bunch of pictures of idiots burying CCA posts in their raised beds :cripes:

Nothing wrong with CCA treated timber being used for garden beds.

My Imaginary GF posted:

Watching Kevin Rudd spesk on Charlie Rose, whats the aussie opinion of him?

A much better PM than the one who knifed him.

thatfatkid fucked around with this message at 06:08 on Mar 5, 2015

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth

Ragingsheep posted:

Don't forget that he tried to impose a "super-tax" on miners during the commodity boom only to have the miners spend $22m on advertising to scare the public into thinking it was actually a tax on them.

And then Julia Gillard goes on to water the tax down as much as possible to please the mining companies. She really was the personification of everything terrible about the ALP.

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth

gay picnic defence posted:

There is if the point is to have them rot down. They will, but too slow to be of much use; and as they do they'll release their copper, chromium and arsenic into the soil. Not enough to cause much harm, but it's ironic given the people building these things are the same sorts of people who flip their poo poo at a little SO2 in wine.

Ah righto, thought you were talking about using them as structural members for a garden bed. My bad.

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth

cpaf posted:

Muir's maiden speech to parliament was even better than Julia Gillard's maiden speech, from what I've read. Really hope he can live up to the big talk in the same way Gillard did.

So you want Muir to be a neo-liberal shill with no principles?

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth

tithin posted:

You seem to strongly dislike Julia Gillard and / or Labor

Yeah and?

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth

cpaf posted:

Isn't this just a love letter to the personality politics that has defaced Australian government over the last few decades? Who cares if he's a good person or whatever when he has already done more harm than he possibly could do good? Why does this thread readily (and correctly) permanently condemn politicians for mistakes and decisions and go misty-eyed over this loving idiot?

Because he's an actual blue-collar Australian not a bland generic member of the political elite.

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth

tithin posted:

It's a subtle prompt to elaborate.

The first Rudd govt was elected after building a massive cult of personality around Kevin07. Once in power they had actual policies which and seemed to building towards actively attempting to make Australia a better place i.e. NBN, dismantling of the Pacific Solution, ETS, Mining Super Profits Tax, dismantling of WorkChoices, introduction of Fairwork Australia, and kept the economy from receding by pouring a fuckload of cash into the economy during the GFC.

The ALP get a few bad polls (which i'm fairly certain were still showing the ALP ahead with 2PP) after a concerted effort by mining companies re: the Mining Super Profits Tax and the LNP re: going into debt during the GFC. They then panic and knife Kevin Rudd, the person who they built their entire 2007 election campaign around and proceed to water down the Mining Super Profits Tax after Julia Gillard "consulted" with the mining companies.

2010 election campaign starts. Julia Gillard announces a 3 year hiatus on doing anything about climate change.

Hung parliament. Julia Gillard is forced by the Greens to do something about climate change. The ALP buy into the LNP's argument about debt and pledge to bring the budget back into surplus instead of telling the LNP to gently caress off. The ALP buy into the LNP's argument about asylum seekers and attempt the Malaysia Solution. Julia Gillard yells at Tony Abbott about sexism due to the constant barrage of thinly veiled bigoted slurs she's faced on the same day that payments to single mothers are cut. Julia Gillard talks poo poo about Greens voters, fucks over Andrew Wilkie etc etc.

tl;dr The ALP at least tried to pretend they stood for something when Rudd was first PM, Gillard was all about holding onto power at all costs.

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth

Adnar posted:

You're conveniently missing how the government had ground to a halt because Rudd was becoming a Howard Hughes control freak and wouldn't sign off on anything hth

I don't give a poo poo about Enews level personality gossip. The ALP under Rudd had ALP policies, the ALP under Gillard had LNP policies.

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth

Doctor Spaceman posted:

Gonski and NDIS: Coalition policies.

Ah Gonski. Let's ignore most of the recommendations and defund universities to pay for primary schools what a wonderful idea.

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth

Doctor Spaceman posted:

Cutting higher education was a dumb idea but the policy itself wasn't, and given how much the Coalition has tried to back out of it it's clearly not the kind of policy they're happy with.

They cut higher education because they bought into the LNP's rhetoric about debt, household budgets and all that bullshit.

Are you going to argue that the Malaysia Solution wasn't LNP policy as well?

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth

Sulla-Marius 88 posted:

I definitely agree with that not-LNP shill, this coming election I've decided to vote Tony Abbott into power and say goodbye to that fraud Liar Lardo. There's no way they can lose, I just know 2014 is gonna be a way better year

Did you just call me a LNP shill? :psyduck:

Gentleman Baller posted:

Tripling of the tax free threshold, ratifying the Kyoto treaty, plain packaging of cigarettes. All things that the Coalition would have done of course

Tax free threshold was part of the Carbon Tax which they never wanted to do in the first place.

Kyoto accomplished what exactly?

Plain packaging should've been introduced for junk food and alcohol as well if they were really concerned about the health of the citizenry. It was simply a cynical attack against the tobacco companies to buy votes.

thatfatkid fucked around with this message at 13:40 on Mar 5, 2015

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth

Doctor Spaceman posted:

The Coalition's desire to cut higher education funding has very little to do with balancing the budget though; it's an end in itself. Howard was ripping chunks out of the system even when the budget was in a nominally good state.

And Rudd bought into the surplus fanaticism just as much as Gillard (and the point is a comparison of the two).

I'm not talking about the Coalition cutting higher education. I'm not sure why that's being brought up...

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth

Doctor Spaceman posted:

I said that Gonski was an example of Gillard having policies (and priorities) that were clearly not Coalition ones, you brought up cutting higher education cuts. So yeah, you implicitly did.

Higher education funding was cut to fund Gonski because the ALP bought into LNP rhetoric about debt. How is that such a hard concept to grasp?

Gentleman Baller posted:

This is some pretty blatant backpeddling mate. I'm more than happy to agree that the Rudd/Gillard government should have been more progressive, you're right there, but the idea they just parroted LNP policy is clearly and utterly wrong.

The ALP literally campaigned in 2010 on doing nothing about climate change for 3 years. How was that not reflective of the LNP?

Once in power the ALP tried to bring back the Pacific Solution under the guise of the Malaysia Solution. How was that not reflective of the LNP?

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth
And plain packaging for junk food and alcohol is a bad thing as opposed to plain packaging for cigarettes because...

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth

Sulla-Marius 88 posted:

Because it'd just be buying votes at the expense of the food and alcohol lobby when if they really cared about people's health they'd be pursuing plain packaging for gym equipment

Targetting one consumer product because it's bad for the consumers health but not targetting other far more pervasive ones is in my opinion cynical.

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth

Les Affaires posted:

Because categorising a product as "tobacco" is easy, whereas classifying something as "junk food" is difficult.

So they went for an easy target in the tobacco industry. Thanks for agreeing with me.

edit: Oh wow i earnt myself a passive aggressive avatar :)

thatfatkid fucked around with this message at 14:15 on Mar 5, 2015

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth

Sulla-Marius 88 posted:

no it's pretty simple. anything the baddies do is done for cynical and vote-stealing purposes

anything the goodies do is out of pure-hearted philanthropy and for the good of all mankind, even if it does circumstantially help their campaign prospects it is just the public's recognition of their selfless service

simple. take that, leftards

I vote Greens and consider myself a socialist. Jesus Christ some of you people can not grasp the simple fact that criticising the ALP does not equate to LNP flagwaving.

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth

Les Affaires posted:

"Hmm, let's tackle this so-called 'junk food' epidemic. Albo, what does the dictionary say junk food is?"

"I... I can't find it in here"

"Blast, those fools at Macquarie have crossed us for the last time! Cut their funding!"

I like how you conveniently ignore the part about me mentioning alcohol as well.

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth

Les Affaires posted:

Alcohol, a thing also proven to be bad for peoples' health, and easily categorised.

Are you loving serious?

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth

Pickled Tink posted:

You eating a chocolate bar or shoveling a burger down your noise hole doesn't make my windpipe contract and throat burn. Guess what you using your tobacco products around me does mate.

Tobacco is explicitly harmful not only to the user but to everyone around them. There's no safe dose, and some people like myself who have been plagued by respiratory illnesses (in my case, mostly because I grew up and spent 18 years around a parent who smoked like a chimney) have horrible reactions to even whiffs of the stuff. Plus, junk food seldom causes bushfires when you toss it out of a car or bung it over a fence.

Also, I am totally up for banning alcohol. Maybe if Australians weren't in a perpetual drunken stupor they'd see the horrible poo poo going on in their name and do something about it.

I don't smoke.

So smoking is bad for the public but dominoes advertising deep-fried cheese stuffed pizzas is not? I could've sworn obesity was a pretty serious problem in this country..

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth

Les Affaires posted:

My curiosity is piqued. How would we legislate this?

Qualify "junk food" as something, ban advertising of said "junk food". Kinda like how it's illegal to advertise tobacco products...

Doctor Spaceman posted:

I like that we've all ignored Labor's policy on alcopops.

Hmm yes pandering to the public about underage drinking and targetting one specific type of product and then for the legislation to be ultimately rejected. They sure did go hard against alcohol.

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth

Sulla-Marius 88 posted:

Let's go back to housing chat, we've had some loon come in and say we're all being too mean to tony abbott and if we wanted to be able to criticise tony abbott we should have criticised gillard more, and now we've got another loon saying that unless you literally cure everything ever, picking the battles you can win is just another way of saying you're a disingenuous sneak

Please point out where i have ever defend Tony Abbott.

gently caress me dead you are stupid.

e: Just realised the first part of that post was not about me (i think). Sorry.

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth

Jonah Galtberg posted:

It takes a special kind of loving stupid to find a way to criticise the ALP and be wrong

Sorry i don't follow the groupthink of the thread lockstep. :shrug:

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth

Quantum Mechanic posted:

Unironically voted Greens 1, PUP 2, KAP 3, Labor 4, Liberal 5 last Federal election, and kept the same order (with extras inbetween) for the Senate. Come at me, bro.

Same.

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth

Birb Katter posted:

How about this question ratbag. If Australia is torturing refugees should those responsible receive punishment and if so what?

Something something hypotheticals something something false premises etc etc.

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth

Reminder that superannuation is a bad thing which ties the working class to the current exploitative capitalist system. Also Paul Keating is a terrible person.

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth
Australia is a pretty cool country imo.

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth

thatbastardken posted:

your opinion is poo poo and kill your self

Sorry i don't bemoan the fact that I live in a country that is stable, holds regular and fair elections, has strong trade unions, workers rights, decent healthcare, public education etc etc.

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth

Drugs posted:

"Australia is grouse" - a middle class white bloke

Are public education and universal healthcare somehow exclusive of the lower class?

Is violent crime rampant in Australia?

Is there a very real chance that you will be shot on any given day that you leave your house?

Do you have running water and electricity?

Australia is a pretty loving good country to live in, if you think otherwise go and visit South Africa.

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth

Fruity Gordo posted:

yeah abodiginies, love it or leave it! (lots of black australians have either no or pissweak access to those things and have a goodly chance of being thrown in jail and beaten for walking down the street after sinking half the number of beers you and your mates neck each at the exservos on a tuesday afternoon)

Please don't make personal assumptions about me based on the fact that i don't think that Australia is a poo poo country. I will continue to think so until Australia has an AIDS pandemic, girls are shot in the head for going to school, opposition political parties are banned etc.

Also gently caress you and die.

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth

Murodese posted:

Here's the (cache of the) blog from the teenage radical: [url]http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:HIgrSseZuYsJ:https://fromtheeyesofamuhajir.wordpress.com/2015/01/13/from-melbourne-to-ramadi-my-journey/+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au[/url]

What's interesting is the logical fault present: he's an eloquent writer and places great stock in logic, yet while proclaiming that the people are oppressed and governments kill innocents, he never actually justifies or reconciles this with his own slaughter of innocents. "Society is corrupt because people believe they are free when the government only allows them the illusion of this and often kills innocents" is a hilarious logical disconnect from "I must kill innocents". It's almost as if he's mentally ill :aaaaa:

Also, got some real fuckin Alex Jones vibes from that poo poo

Radical leftist wants to right the wrongs of the world and joins Islamic State to do so. Yep definitely hosed in the head.

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth

Lid posted:

Honestly this might be a troll but you're being willfully ignorant if you just straight up rule this out. Reading his writings he comes across as every other diaffected youth, writing explicitly about the death of democracy due to western interventionism. You can argue until you're blue in the face that because he then went and tried to kill people (or "kill yourself" as it were) he doesn't count but that's being horribly simplistic.

Apologists will argue that he is an illustration of western radicalisation, those using him as a crux will point to the "brainwashing of the death cult" when you can tell by his writings he wasn't radicalised by Islamic State but rather through viewing western hegemony as a disease and considered several other groups before it.

At the end of it he could have been in another life a poster on these forums, and that kind of scares me.

I'm not sure what you're trying to get at by directing that towards me.

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth

Anidav posted:

I'm hoping I won't get blocked by ALP Right fanboys who are attending and probably know my face.

I got a text message 3 weeks ago from a number I didn't recognise that just said

"Card Burner, Shame!"

Whatever, I'll grab a cheap beer and try my luck.

Please stop using this thread as your own personal blog.

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth
XXXX bitter is the best mainstream beer and i will fight anyone irl who disagrees.

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth

MC Eating Disorder posted:

Why do I need to lie down exactly? There's no difference at all and its fine to have preferences but pretending there's an actual quantifiable taste between them is laughable since they're both brewed to pretty much identical recipes

u r dumb

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thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth

MC Eating Disorder posted:

Also there is actually a way bigger diversity in the types and flavours of cask wine so its not exactly a great analogy but I guarantee you if you do a blind tasting of VB vs Tooheys New vs XXXX bitter you will not be able to tell the difference, I drink all those beers regularly and we tried it at work and nobody was capable of consistently telling them apart

You seem to be confusing xxxx bitter with xxxx gold. Bitter actually tastes good, gold tastes like cat piss.

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