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KittyEmpress
Dec 30, 2012

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OneThousandMonkeys posted:

Any faction that uses banks and likes money a lot is a Jewish stereotype, got it.

yeah I sorta understand the complaint but... there's nothing that makes gnomes automatically jewish. They're portrayed as a very savvy and intelligent race in Eberron, that has been around for long enough to make themselves basically irreplaceable. They're also portrayed as extremely good people, they gave the money to the dwarves to start their banks because they wanted to see the race succeed and make a place for itself. Do they hold a lot of power in the world? Well, yeah, they do! That doesn't make them a 'jewish sterotype' unless you want to say any race that ever holds power and has lots of money are a jewish sterotype.

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KittyEmpress
Dec 30, 2012

Jam Buddies

Der Waffle Mous posted:

It's worse.

They're stat caps.

Yeah orcs and trolls in Shadowrun are explicitly incapable of ever being as smart as other races. Fifth edition they realized this and... made note in the race entries that they're smarter, just in different ways, with Trolls and Orks having better spatial reasoning.

But didn't actually change the stat caps.

Edit: Seriously this is like my favorite shadowrun fact. They explicitly made orcs and trolls stand in for blacks and mexicans in terms of treatment. And made them legitimately dumber than other races. And then when they finally, after five editions, realized the problem, they still didn't fix it, they just slapped on a 'no they're not actually genetically dumber' to look less terrible.

KittyEmpress fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Mar 12, 2015

KittyEmpress
Dec 30, 2012

Jam Buddies

To combine with the above, a lot of companies are afraid of changing concepts that have been around for a long time. Look at what happened when a single D&D setting got large changes in 4e, and a bunch of gods died. Now imagine them saying 'oh yeah, and orcs? not actually completely evil, theres lots of neutral/good orcs, they just work different from how most humans would like.' Shadowrun is the same way - 5e feels like it wants to justify orcs and trolls as not dumber outright, but just with different brain chemistry. But they look at how the lower stat cap has been there since first edition and go 'ehhh maybe just pointing that out is enough...?'


It's dumb, and bad, but nerds and thus nerd companies are afraid of change, so we get racism from the 80s when games first came out, still out there today because they're afraid to change it.

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