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Oasx
Oct 11, 2006

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I was never really a fan of the Daredevil comics, but the first episode was really good, can't wait to see what comes next.

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Oasx
Oct 11, 2006

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Question about 1x03 Does anyone know how the guy Matt and Foggy were representing got released? Foggy mentioned that the jury would have to go back since they couldn't decide, while Matt was sure that they wouldn't, but what was the process like?
Also, that fight with the bowling ball was brutal.

Oasx fucked around with this message at 12:34 on Apr 10, 2015

Oasx
Oct 11, 2006

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Great series, was even better than what i was expecting.

General series spoilers and questions : Did the mask on the final Daredevil costume have holes for the eyes? It was so dark that i couldn't tell.

I really liked Kingpin, and his back story was very brutal.

Didn't Karen and Foggy hook up pretty early? It seemed like they were dropping all these signs about it until Foggy gets back with his ex.


thrakkorzog posted:

It's possible that she might be working for the Mandarin. Since IM3 only had fake Mandarins, there is an option of there being a real Mandarin is still out there.

There is a real Mandarin. In one of the marvel mini movies he sent a man to kill the fake Mandarin from Iron man 3.

Oasx
Oct 11, 2006

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Netflix has notoriously bad subtitles, from what i remember they get them done super cheap, and therefore there are always words missing, or things poorly translated.

Oasx
Oct 11, 2006

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Wolpertinger posted:

As far as Karen goes 1x13+comics In the comics she moves out to start an acting career, gets addicted to heroin, becomes a porn star to keep getting fixes, and sells out Daredevil's identity to get another hit, gets convinced she's HIV positive, and then gets killed. I REALLY hope they don't do any bullshit like that to her character, but I have this terrible feeling they might fridge her in Season 2 because it's a 'defining aspect' of Daredevil or something to have all his girlfriends evil/crazy/dead. Still, by making her and foggy be a thing instead of him, maybe she might get spared.

They are probably smart enough to take the good bits from the Frank Miller stories, and ignore all the crap.

Oasx
Oct 11, 2006

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Inkspot posted:

- What is Matt's cane budget? There are discarded canes with his DNA all over the city.

I assume he comes back for them, though I did wonder the same.

Oasx
Oct 11, 2006

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The Daredevil movie is worth buying simply to get the extra material about Daredevil in the comics. It is the best I have ever seen from a comicbook movie.

Oasx
Oct 11, 2006

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The whole point of the costume, despite being useful as body armor, is that Matt wants to be the Devil. He wants to be the personification of the Catholic/Christian boogeyman, and scare the criminals of Hell's Kitchen, that is why it is red and has horns
You are much more likely to fear Daredevil than some vigilante in a black mask.

Oasx
Oct 11, 2006

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I don't know much about running crime empires, but smashing a guy to bits and cutting off his head with a car door, because he was rude to you, seems like great qualifications.
I don't think anyone cares whether he is a bit socially awkward. Also Gao was the only one in the group that he had any sort of respect for, he clearly knows what he is doing.

Oasx
Oct 11, 2006

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Modus Operandi posted:

Even if the old Chinese woman gave him the criminal underworld equivalent of a booster seat at the adult's table his social ineptness is still pretty incongruent with his relative accomplishments. His behavior is that of a person who has a severe mental handicap the acting is a bit over the top in some ways.

Have you ever heard of the words shy or introverted?

Modus Operandi posted:

Karen is actually fairly reprehensible in many ways.

Some people are keen on giving her a pass for various reasons but she insists on crusading while involuntarily risking the lives of others. Wasn't the whole reason that old hispanic lady got murdered because she convinced her to not take the payout on principle? I think Foggy was in on that one too.

What kind of person would she be if she told he old lady to just leave her rightful apartment?
The whole point of the first half is to show that Karen and Foggy can't go around beating up the bad guys, but that they defend the innocent in a different way.
The old lady dying doesn't make Karen a bad person, it makes the landlord even more evil.

Oasx
Oct 11, 2006

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Daredevil was clearly a sociopat, think of all the innocent people the bad guys killed because of him, he practically murdered them himself! He should just have stayed home and let the criminals go about their business.

Oasx
Oct 11, 2006

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The eyeholes are odd, and don't even make much sense.

Oasx
Oct 11, 2006

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greatn posted:

Presenting himself as a blind superhero is a little compromising of his secret id.

He was already doing that by having a black bandana wrapped around his head and eyes. At least with a superhero costume people might think he has a way of seeing out.

Oasx
Oct 11, 2006

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Overall season opinion
Overall i think it was a very good season, even better than the first one, but I had a few annoyances.

Elektra as a character was not that interesting (just like in the comics), and there was zero chemistry between her and Matt, they didn't work together in any way.

It is a shame that Foggy once again has to be the bad guy. He doesn't get much screen time, and when he does half of it is whining about Matt.
It feels like the character is a huge hypocrite considering that Matt is shown to be the one that is constantly convincing him to do good things, like leaving the evil law firm or helping Karen as a client

Oasx
Oct 11, 2006

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cool kids inc. posted:

About Foggy this season I don't think he was portrayed as the bad guy at all. He is one hundred percent in the right in being pissed off at how flighty Matt is and how he's been left hanging. We know Matt is going through some rough poo poo, Foggy knows peripherally that's the case, but it's pretty explicitly said by Matt that he's going to choose the vigilante lifestyle over the firm. For Foggy, he's being abandoned by his best friend, while said friend is acting very very dangerously. I think the show does a good job of showing how destructive Matt is in all of his relationships.

I understand Foggy's frustrations at Matt neglecting his day job, and Foggy's worry about Matt ending up dead. But the problem is that Foggy is acting like a bit of an rear end in a top hat, when clearly there is a need for Daredevil.
I am not quite sure how many people are supposed to live in the Hell's Kitchen, but as i understand it, it is just a small neighbourhood in New York, but it is one that has two large mystical asian gangs/cults, one where the organised crime resembles the military and where half the cops were being paid off by crime lords until recently.
The idea that Matt is just dressing up in a costume for the fun of it, and that he should just let the police handle matter is insane. Foggy watches the news and helped uncover the Wilson Fisk thing, he knows that he is living in an extremely hosed up neighbourhood, and that Matt is risking his life to save everybody.

Oasx
Oct 11, 2006

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zoux posted:

One thing they didn't follow up on, or if they did I missed it, was Matt losing his senses in his apartment for five minutes. Did they ever explain that or go back to it?

My impression was that he got some sort of severe concussion from being shot point blank in the head, the armor absorbed the worst of it, but it was still a pretty severe blow.

Oasx
Oct 11, 2006

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I wish we had been shown more of how Matt "sees", i thought that was a cool part of the first season. I don't understand why they didn't do it at all in this one.

Oasx
Oct 11, 2006

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I have no problem with Foggy finding another place to work, but his lack of understanding of why Matt was running around as Daredevil was stupid at best. Did Foggy forget that Wilson Fisk was freed about five seconds after he had been arrested, showing that going strictly by the law actually didn't help?

Oasx
Oct 11, 2006

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Iron Fist season two is easily the best second season of the Marvel Netflix shows, it was really refreshing to see how much it improved.

Oasx
Oct 11, 2006

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I assume it is mostly a matter of not having the budget to do a dragon that doesn’t look awful, that is not exactly cheap.

Oasx
Oct 11, 2006

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I don't really like Misty, she is not as annoying as in Luke Cage, but I still wouldn't mind if the character just got written out.

Oasx
Oct 11, 2006

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AngryBooch posted:

Bring Danny and Colleen to Luke Cage.

That would be perfect, Danny and Luke work well together, and the show could use some action choreography that isn't awful

Oasx
Oct 11, 2006

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Cloak and Dagger is the only Marvel show I haven't finished. I am not saying that it was worse than Inhumans, but things actually happened on Inhumans.

Oasx
Oct 11, 2006

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Foggy was the main villain of Daredevil season 2.

Oasx
Oct 11, 2006

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Starting episode 7 and so far the season has been a big disappointment. There have been no really good fight scenes, the plot is boring, Dex is just not that interesting of a character, and the idea that Wilson Fisk is suddenly a master manipulator feels silly. The whole plot of Matt being wanted is just not very interesting.

Oasx
Oct 11, 2006

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I think this season is going to end up being around Defenders in terms of ranking, it isn't bad it is just incredibly frustrating and not fun to watch.

Lurdiak posted:

Not quite done with the season but how does the newspaper Karen worked for even still operate after apparently every single employee was killed?

Unless something happens in the last four episodes then only three of them were killed

Oasx
Oct 11, 2006

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Fisk's ability to magically force people to work for him got silly at the end. Besides the fact that half the people in the FBI let themselves be blackmailed, he also manages to get to a whole jury with almost no advance notice, and with not a single person there speaking up about what is happening

Oasx
Oct 11, 2006

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MOVIE MAJICK posted:

How is the new Daredevil?

It’s ok. But definitely the weakest season of the show.

Oasx
Oct 11, 2006

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Overall I think Jessica Jones has been the weakest of the Marvel shows on Netflix. Season one was good, but Jessica has had no character growth since then, and has stayed a boring annoying grump.

Oasx
Oct 11, 2006

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Jessica being willing to let a mass murderer walk free just because it was her mother, was at best incredibly stupid and hypocritical, and at worst directly evil. Trish directly murdering her was also pretty hosed up.

Oasx
Oct 11, 2006

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Von_Doom posted:

I vote new thread and OP. Leave the dubious quality of the Netflix stuff in their own thread. Shield has its own thread, C&D and Runaways have their own, Inhumans didn’t deserve its own thread. Let the stink of Scotty Buck end here. Daredevil was cool then halfway cool then cool again, Punisher was good then farted out a second season. Luke Cage was great before Diamondback then had a decent second season. JJ was great for the first season but it blew it as well. Iron Fist was god awful and the Defenders managed to waste everyone involved, especially Sigourney Weaver. Let’s just move on.

Iron Fist season 2 was good, I would certainly put it in the top five of best marvel Netflix seasons.

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Oasx
Oct 11, 2006

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Iron Fist season 2 is among the top 5 best seasons of marvel Netflix, not that that is saying a lot.

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