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SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Jerusalem posted:

And he's probably not gonna be busy with a Dredd sequel since it made so little money!

Oh I just made myself sad :smith:

My dream is that somehow they make a Netflix Judge Dredd series. Urban cant be THAT expensive to hire, he made that robot cop show (which I'm told was actually kind of okay, but dammit the premise was literally Mac and C.H.E.E.S.E from friends) and he apparently would like to do more dredd. Until then I console myself that even if it never gets a sequel, it did get one great movie which did not seem likely after the stallone attempt.

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SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Snak posted:

The thing about how good the vigilante costume looked is that now I know that Iron Fist is going to look loving AWESOME.

I'm personally hoping for the classic green and yellow costume with the deep V neck and the giant collar, but I am prepared to be disappointed,

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Snak posted:

I'm hoping for shirtless with Tattoo on chest.
Aka this look as his main costume.


edit: but replace the metal wrist bands with regular wrist wraps, like a normal person would wear.

If he STARTS shirtless, then how will we be able to tell that this fight is particularly taxing? Thats like suggesting that superman should have a ripped cape as his normal uniform. Giant, bright yellow popped disco collar for day to day wear, shirtless for poo poo Just Got Real fights.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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BiggerBoat posted:

They'll probably use his son if they decide to use The Owl

Thats Owlsley (Jr), not Wesley.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Blazing Ownager posted:

I thought there was at least one story here he succeeded utterly? Ironically I think the only survivor was Daredevil and that's because the Punisher shot himself, right?

Note he said "MCU" marvel CINEMATIC universe, the joke is that the Punisher and Punisher: War Zone are bad films, such that they might nearly sink the superhero movie genre.

It is a good joke, but honestly I feel kind of bad for Thomas Jane. His movie wasnt great, but none of that was his fault. War Zone is kind of a hot mess all round, but a hot mess I really really enjoy. Plus that one had Volstagg the Voluminous as Castle, and again, the movies faults arent on him.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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The basic problem is that they keep trying to make a fantastic four movie. Of all marvels well known properties the "family unit of science explorers with wise patriarch" is the one that has aged the worst. Its the same basic problem they had when tring to make an updated "lost in space". The original version looks goofy as hell so a straight adapation will look retro-gimmicky but the zeitgeist about space exploration has moved on so updating it doesnt really work if you want to have any meaningful link to the original. So much about the FF is rooted in 1960s cheesiness fro "the fantasticar" onwards. Their superhero costumes (the FF jumpsuits) arent visually interesting, the Thing and Human Torch are expensive effects if you want them done well for the whole movie, Sues powers are by definition not visually interesting and reeds... Well maybe someone will find a way to make stretching look cool. Probably not, but in an infinite universe there is that possibility.

My big advice for anyone thinking of doing another adaptation of the FF would be; dont bother. If they have their heart set on it, then my next advice is dont do another loving origin story. The origin of the FF is one of their least interesting stories and is doofy as gently caress. Constantly trying to tie Dooms movie origin story to theirs doesnt help. Just have them already powered, story in media res, if you are DESPERATE to show their origin have it montaged over the opening credits like the Norton Hulk movie did. You do pretty much have to go with Doom as the villain, hes about their only interesting baddie with any general name recognition. Although if the recent movie hadnt soured everyone on the whole negative zone thing I guess you could do annihilus. Galactus/Silver Surfer would work in theory but its honestly not that great a movie story (eiither you go with the "ultimate nullifier" which isnt much of a final scene or you go with "the surfer is persuaded to turn on galactus" in which case the finale of the movie hangs on a character who isnt in the fantastic four).

i dont know why they all feel the need to gently caress with Doom so much; Despot of a small country with diplomatic immunity (or the movie version of it) who may have weapons of mass destruction seems perfectly fine for a movie villain to me, but instead we get evil CEO or whatever the gently caress that mess in the new one was. His costume isnt the problem, its a green garment (really doesnt matter if is a tunic or robe or cloak) with iron-manish armour and mask.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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No, the TV tie in with Avengers: Civil War is She-Hulk on the run from registration, coming into town, defending that weeks superpowered character from unjust prosecution, then leaving before the pro-reg forces can catch up with her (as sad piano music plays). Jennifer Walters: Attorney at Large.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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notthegoatseguy posted:

Most of those Iron Fist stories suck.

Most of those Iron Fist stories end with him punching an evil kung fu man with his magic iron fist, while wearing a costume that is open to the waist, has possibly comics greatest disco collar and yellow ballet shoes. If that is the entirity of the Netflix show then I will be a happy man.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Boogaleeboo posted:

Punched a dragon in the heart for magic kung fu powers. Can not be stressed enough how amazingly weird a setting that would be to add to the MCU.

After hugging it into unconsciousness over the burning dragon shaped scar in its chest so hard that it branded him.

Anyone who doesnt want to see that in the MCU and would prefer the punishers "Angry vigilante kills the criminals the cops cant touch with guns" routine... Well I just dont get some people I guess. I wonder if George St-Pierre would be willing to reprise the role of Batroc (Ze Leaper!) for a guest shot in Iron Fist? When I was a kid an issue of Iron Fist where he fought Batroc was one of my favourite comics.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Soylentbits posted:

Just make the dragon an alien. Done. It's not like this universe has a shortage of dragon looking aliens that get punched from the inside out.

I mean, deep down I think we are all hoping that if iron fist goes over well then by Netflix MCU wave 3 or so we'll have an episode of TV where Nextwave fight Fin Fang Foom, but lets not get ahead of ourselves.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Snak posted:

I don't think the fact that there are mystical elements in Iron Fist is at all the problem. The problem is how they portray it visual. MCU has Thorworld, Vision, and Dr. Strange is coming. Iron Fist is not at all a problem thematically. How they are gonna do it on a TV budget AND have it fit directly in with DD and JJ is the question.

^Holy poo poo I need to go watch that episode right now.

Its not like Iron Fist fights a dragon often. They have to stump up the budget to make it look decent once. He gets his rear end kicked by the dragon, fire everywhere hiding a lot of things that would be expensive to shot in detail, close up of him hugging a reptilian neck, dragon collapses, iron fist punches heart. Which it should be mentioned isnt inside the dragon, its in a brazier type thing in the temple it was guarding.

Dont get me wrong, more expensive to film than "blindfolded guy fights ninjas in a warehouse" but you'd only need a couple of minutes of CGI dragon, I'd imagine K'un Lun (the mystic city) would mainly appear in flashbacks and the bulk of the series would be iron fist fighing ninjas in warehouses.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Coffeehitler posted:

Yes, a psychopath with MPD is a better fit than Punisher, who isn't a good fit at all either. :rolleyes:

Moon Knight at least has a history of being on teams, albeit usually briefly. And having moon knight with a no-kill rule (which Khunshu is always pushing him to break) would be a better fit for the defenders than punisher. I know modern moon knight currently kills enemies at times, but having him as a former mercenary who doesnt want to kill anyone as a masked vigilante wouldnt particularly change the character, murder isnt intrinsic to the character concept like it is with punisher.

So if they were making the mistake of pulling iron fist for another character, moon knight would be absolutely a better fit than punisher. But pretty much any marvel character would be a better fit that punisher for a defenders team with a no-kill rule daredevil. Unless you are suggesting that they go all A-team with the punisher and have him fire hundreds of bullets that somehow never actually kill anyone.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Pander posted:

I'm That MCU Fan who'd never heard of Iron Fist or the Defenders before they were announced on Netflix, and generally knows the movies a lot better than any comic stuff (besides cosmic marvel stuff, which I binged on the marvel unlimited app). I'm the guy who loved DD to death, but doesn't quite get motherfucking dragons intersecting with a New York set Marvel show. It took some effort to make the Asgardians make sense to me with the Thor/Avengers/Agents of Shield appearances, but those pieces fit now. When I think of dragons, though, I think of lord of the rings, the hobbit, and game of thrones. Not Marvel.

I'm not saying what will or won't be, or whether it'd be good or bad. So far the 10 year track record is really loving good for everything Marvel. I'm just saying that as a not particularly deep comic reader I don't know of Iron Fist, am not enthused about it, and don't get how to fit in a hong kong mystical wuxia flick into the MCU without it feeling really disconnected from all the existing properties.

Something like 99% of the "dragons" iron fist has ever fought have been kung fu dudes with "dragon" in their name. The actual dragon fight is just the origin story (and think more chinese dragon rather than hobbit dragon). Have you ever seen a film where someone wins the fight by forgetting their self doubt and focussing all their emotions in to one crucial strike? Because that is basically iron fists power. if you can get behind DDs "I can heal faster by meditating" then honestly iron fist doesnt need to be that much of a leap. His origin is mystical, but if you pick a random iron fist story then the chances are that it involves no more mystical stuff than any other comic of the same era. Having him spent the bulk of his series in NY fighting bank robbers and ninjas with the odd brief flashback to his training in K'un Lun (think Shangri-La) wouldnt be unusual at all. It doesnt need to be as massive a tonal shift as some people seem to think. It seems like the origin is the main sticking point for people, but as much as I want to see him fight that dragon, it doenst need to be a big part of the show. I think the MCU is at the point where the audience will accept "This guy has these powers" without the need for a drawn out origin.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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zoux posted:

Well, there hasn't been any yet. Also these "vanilla" sex scenes are by far the most graphic depiction of sex in the MCU. But I think the previous record holder was some particularly salacious hand holding.

I saw an interview where Ritter said that they didn't do nudity because she personally didn't want to appear nude but I'd be real surprised if that's a line that Disney/Marvel are willing to cross.

He wasnt asking about the other Marvel originals I think, because he said " I know the cast/producers Marvel said no nudity", so I think he just meant "does netflix allow nudity in their original programming" in which case the answer is "Orange is the new black". I dont think anyone is really expecting nudity in a marvel property in the immediate future.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Or its the MCUs first "What if...". It could be "Netflix Presents: Marvels What if... Daredevil Hadnt Ninja-Killed The Punisher".

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Grim Hogun of the Warriors 3.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Mars4523 posted:


The Punisher has a huge advantage, though. Sad to say that fridging wives and daughters is a tried and true method of giving a male anti-hero pathos.

No tears for Frank Jr.?

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Radish posted:

Similarly everyone freaking out about Foggy's opening statement and offering him a partnership because of it was really stupid.



My take on that was that she was basically telling him that he'd be on the fast track to partner, not day one they're changing the signs while hes still unpacking his poo poo. The Punisher trial would have been a high profile case, and making an opening statement (and running a defence) that actually had a chance of acquitting a high profile client who is plainly and obviously as guilty as gently caress is the kind of thing that would impress other lawyers. Sure he ended up being found guilty*, but the perception would be that they lost because Frank Castle is a fuckup who literally had an unhinged tantrum in court and refused to cooperate with his own defence. Almost winning a patently unwinnable case, just think what he could do if the client wasnt a volatile psychopath.


*Did they technically lose? I got to that episode at stupid o'clock in the morning, so I'm not 100% sure, but was Frank ever actually found guilty, or did he escape before he was convicted? The point stands either way.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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A.o.D. posted:

You know that Frank deliberately sank his own defense case, right? Not only that, but it was a deliberate, calculated action on his part, and not a tantrum. Did you miss the line that the Blacksmith's corrupt cop told Frank as he took the stand?

Yes, I know it was deliberate, but the general legal fraternity doesnt. What I'm saying is, from their point of view Foggy had a great defense sunk by a psychotic client.

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SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Theres no way a DD third season ends without Nelson and Murdock, Avacados at Law re-opening for business.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Kheldarn posted:

Yeah, she set off the motion sensor, but the last we see of her in the house, she's peeking out the window as a van pulls up outside, suits get out, then she does the 'back against the wall deer in the headlights how do I get out' thing that movies/TV does, and it's never mentioned again.


As far as I remember they were at the front of the house, and she'd come in through the back door. How she got out of the house is hardly one of TVs greatest mysteries.


ufarn posted:

It's going to be a while before we see another DD season, might as well put him to good use.


I'd be down for Foggy to become the MCUs go-to superhero lawyer. Wandering from show to show, doing good in exchange for produce.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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I thought the punisher was great in DD, I'm not sure he can carry a series. If he has any character development at all he basically stops being the punisher. So hes stuck as "Angry american man who solves all problems with guns", and other than the skull tshirt branding thats not exactly an uncommon theme in american media.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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For all the "Ninjas are what daredevil is ABOUT, man" stuff, lets be honest; You could easily fill 10 seasons of a daredevil TV show with stuff lifted directly from daredevil comics without every once featuring a ninja, or at least not a collective noun of them. Daredevil was created in the 60s, in the last 50 years of monthly stories hes done a wide variety of poo poo, a lot of it ninja related, but a lot of it not.

I mean, daredevils initial costume in the comics is a yellow and red clown suit. In the show he instead started out wearing black. Presumably because they looked at the original suit and went "Well, thats not going to work on TV". This is (to me) a healthy attitude to have when adapting an existing work. Look at it, and take the bits that work and leave out the bits that wont work in a different medium (or in some cases the bits that have dated really badly). Karen Page isnt (I would hope in the year 2016) likely to get hooked on drugs, go into porn, sell out Matts secret ID, get aids and die in the TV show. I doubt many people would argue that the TV show SHOULD go down that route, but on a basic level that is as much if not more a part of the daredevil character than "he fights ninjas lol".

On a basic level, I'm not anti-ninja. I, broadly speaking, like the hand and think they SHOULD be part of the TV show in some form or other, but to act like people who thought they were awful just dont "get" daredevil is frankly lovely. And the 2 complete pages of "you are arguing execution, not concept" or whatever is dumb as poo poo; Of course we are arguing execution, everyone is always arguing execution. You could put in any ridiculous poo poo in any show and if the execution is good people will just roll with it. For fucks sake, we just had an ant-man movie. Goddamn ant man. And not even one of the interesting Ant-Mans, but Scott Lang ant-man. Guardians of the Galaxy features a tree who is best bros with a talking racoon. But because these were executed well, it worked. Any concept, literally ANY concept, can work if you nail the execuion. The problem is, when execution fails, it shows up the concept, and if the concept is dumb, people will push back. "Daredevil fights oh so many ninjas" as a concept isnt so strong that when the execution is botched people can just go "good idea, didnt quite come off".

As I say, personally I didnt hate the Hand stuff. Didnt love it either, probably the weakest part of S2, but it was okay. I can however see where the people who think it shouldnt have been there are coming from; It may be a big part of a lot of stories in the comics, but this isnt a comic, and if it isnt going to work on TV then cut it and throw it into the same box that the red and yellow tights and DD teaming up wiith spiderman to fight an evil transplant surgeon are kept in.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Gyges posted:

He learned how to fight and use his senses via the tutelage of an old blind ninja. That's pretty central to the character. Like, right after being Catholic and just before being a lawyer central. You can definitely do good Daredevil stories without any other ninjas showing up and the execution of the Hand story line left much to be desired. However since Matt is a ninja trained by a ninja with the purpose of fighting in an ancient ninja war, there's always going to be ninja poo poo going on.

2 things really;

1) No-one is saying that they should have retroactively gone back and deleted Stick from S1 of DD. We've already seen Stick, everyone is on board the Stick train. Stick existing has nothing (literally nothing) to do with the complaint of "The Hand were not good in Season 2 of DareDevil". He rejected Sticks war, that could have stuck easily enough, but they chose to make about a third of the season very ninja-heavy without stopping to think if "Matt fights eleven billion ninjas" was good TV.

2) Considering that Stick wasnt created for seventeen years after DareDevil was created, how central to the character is he really?

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Gyges posted:

Wait, do we care or do we not care about things being in the comics with regard to the show? Because the argument seems to be that it doesn't matter if people are just drowning in ninjas in the comics, but please look at the comics to see these non-ninja things as those are important. Though it is a somewhat moot point since regardless of the comics, in the show Stick is not a retcon but instead a very foundation part of Matt's childhood.

The problem is that instead of just talking about the merits of the Hand in season 2, people are making arguments about whether or not ninjas even belong in the show. It doesn't matter about how grounded and antithetical to ninjas you felt season 1 was, how many metric tons of ninjas are in the comics, when ninjas first show up in the comics, or the percentage of ninja stories to non ninja stories in the comic. In season 1 we learn that Matt is a ninja trained by a ninja who despite turning his back on the ninja war had to have a ninja fight. It doesn't matter how core concept you think ninjas are in the comic, in the show it's Catholicism wrapped in ninjutsu, wrapped in lawyering, steeped in super senses, and then topped off with a little My Boxer Dad.

So instead of talking about whether or not Thors and Aliens justify Ninjas or how many good comic stories don't involve ninjas, let us instead focus on how/why the plot element of the Hand was poorly executed in season 2.

Personally I couldnt give a poo poo about the comics with regards to the show; I've said it before and I'll say it again, when someone is adapting ANY work from one medium to another they should pick out the parts that will work in the new medium, change the parts which would work with some tweaking and feel 100% free to bin everything else. Turbonerds will piss and moan that its not a 1:1 adaptation of the original work, but they would have found something to piss and moan about anyway, and in any case we all know that they will still watch it regardless. Stuff which worked in a comic in the 60s will not necessarily work in live action in the 2010s.

My point is really if you are going to defend the Hand in season 2 with "well, of course there are ninjas, its daredevil" then its completely fair to point out the mountains and mountains of daredevil comics which feature zero ninjas (or at least zero ninjas who arent named characters). Most people arent arguing "There shouldnt be ninjas in daredevil". They are arguing "These ninjas shouldnt have been in daredevil, because these ninjas sucked". (And once again, while I personally thought the ninjas were the weakest part of the season, I didnt actually hate them. I just thought they were kind of dull). Would cutting the ninjas out entirely have lifted the average quality of the seaons? Probably. Could they have made changes to the ninjas to make it work on screen? Of course they could. Again, literally any concept will work if you nail the execution. Obvious changes to me would be to reduce the number of ninjas, but give a few more of them names and distinguishing characteristics. I dont think there was a second named one apart from Nobu, and as this isnt the 80s no-one is impressed by seeing a character mow down dozens of nameless faceless ninjas. That poo poo worked when "ninja" was a new and impressive concept for western viewers, but it absolutely is lame as gently caress after 30 years of bottom of the barrel action movies with ninjas as the villains. Instead give the hand a couple of named guys, and show they can do something impressive, so that fights with daredevil have some weight and a sense of risk. I think a lot of people would have been a bit happier if the Hands motivations were better spelled out (The "but what about the hole?" criticism). Personally I'm happy enough to leave it a little opaque because I'm fairly confident that it is a plot thread, not a plot hole (so to speak) which will be picked up in either the defenders or DD S3. They probably should have had Stick go into some kind of detail about what the "rules" for hand ninja ressurection are at least to give us an idea of whether the ninjas come back to life, have to be brought back to life, are all already dead before they join the hand or whatever.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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CommaToes posted:

Isn't Luke Cage a bit more jovial than he's shown in the trailer? Or am I mistaken and he's actually as dour as he's portrayed in these shows?

I always thought he had a bit of banter to him in the comics.

Much like any comicbook character from Marvel or DC it depends who is writing him and in what period, but I'd say he is generally fairly laid back.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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MrAristocrates posted:

who gives a poo poo, ugh, this argument sucks

If anything its not granular enough. I'm waiting for mind the walrus to break down his opinion to minute by minute ratings of all the television he does and does not watch. I think everyone would be interested in that, wouldnt they?

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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mind the walrus posted:

Ah I forgot what her name was. The Young Avenger chick with the portals.

And yes 4 of them are Spider-man. So what? If Sony is sharing they're a possibility, even an oblique one.

Well, you are saying they are significantly lower production headaches, but I dont think we know thats true. Less CGI would probably be required than she hulk, but we have no idea if disney have the rights to spider characters for live action TV (although we do know they have the rights to cartoon versions, so I guess you could have an animated version) or if Sony does, and if Sony does would they agree to allowing the characters to be used for a Netflix series. Just because they are willing to go halvsies on a MCU spiderman movie that'll make them all the money doesnt mean they want to be involved with a Netflix TV series. Honestly I'd reckon you'd have better odds holding out for a spider-gwenTV show to turn up on whatever its called that Sony uses to distribute Powers than on Netflix.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Abner Assington posted:

Final Luke Cage trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snJ-nRgx8o0

Synopsis: :drat: times a million.



And bonus Method Man cameo at the end!

Yeah, okay, I'm officially hyped for this.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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AndyElusive posted:

When I first watched Season 2 of DD I was immensely entertained to the point where I actually suggested a friend who had never watched the first season to pick it up just to get to the second season. We were both big Punisher fans in highschool.

Now you Negative Nancy's are making me wonder if I just have bad taste in comic book shows.

Eh, you have to remember that it aired an age ago (in internet time) so most people still posting about it are the people who had really strong feelings about the season. Most people I know seem to have thought it was at least a decent season of TV, but few people are going to post just to reiterate "Yeah, that was good, maybe not as good as S1" or "Season 2 had problems but overall still enjoyable". I liked it well enough personally, but its not my favourite Netflix marvel show/season.

HIJK posted:

I guess. I'm only attracted to some girls and Elektra doesn't appeal to me, so I don't really get it.

Wait... This cant be a real thing, right? You dont understand how someone can be attracted to a person you arent personally attracted to? Because I can assure you its definately a thing that happens.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Aphrodite posted:

Except probably pretty stupid.

God I hope so. If your ideal iron fist show isnt openly, unashamedly and exuberantly dumb as gently caress then we disagree on whats awesome about iron fist.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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They can use Shang Chi, but they just cant use his fathers name. Which makes it drat hard to tell a shang chi story as like 90% of his stories revolve around the fact that his father is Fu Manchu. I think there have been reletvely recent comics where his father was only refered to obliquely or under a pseudonym but thatkind of only works if your audience knows what is being hinted at. Of course its possible that the rights issues could have changed since the last time I looked it up which was ages ago now.

The other thing is, Shang chi, well.... as much as "Make Iron Fist asian-american" would have been (I think anyway) be a good step for the character (and the marvel universe in general), doing that or giving us Shang Chi would still have us in a position where Marvels first Asian main character is kung fu dude. I mean, still way better than "We have no asian main characters", but still not really breaking any stereotypes. Again its a problem with the source as much as anything else; If a comicbook character isnt a white north american then there is something like a 2 outta 3 chance that their gimmick is based on racial or national stereotypes (See; Captain Boomerang, Banshee, silver samurai, Jubilee (who, while being asian-american and not kung-fu has the power of fireworks, the Mandarin, apache chief, assorted "Captain Country"s, the black widow, crimson dynamo, red guardian and so on and so forth.).

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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achillesforever6 posted:

Huh isn't Fu Manchu in the Public Domain by now?

I would have assumed so as well, but the way they dance around it there is obviously some impediment. If I remember right it was something like the original book is, but later books (and anything introduced in them) isnt, or something like that? I am not in any way shape or form an expert on copyright law so maybe dont quote me on that.

I mean in all fairness even if he was in the public domain he is the literal embodiment of the "Yellow Peril" archetype even more so than the mandarin, and marvel made the (very smart in my opinion) decision that the comicbook version of the mandarin would not fly in a major motion picture in 2017.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Shageletic posted:

I can only talk about this from being black, but even though every black hero seems to ride a skateboard, uses electricity, and/or has the word black before their title, I'm still happy to see them in the funny books/screen. It's a step up and better than not being represented at all. It's especially better than having entertainment monopolized by bland white guys.

I'm so white I'm practically translucent, so I'll cheerfully cede the point that even iffy representation is better than none, and I didnt mean to imply otherwise. I just kind of feel that rather than putting the kung fu dude in to give the MCU some asian representation they should use one of the million and one superheroes who arent kung fu dudes. Obviously if the choice is kung fu dude or nothing then bring on the kung fu dude.

Also I've always wondered; Does anyone know, out of all the possible power sets out there, why the hell Electricity became the stereotypical go-to power set for black heroes (outside of the "superhuman strength and toughness" set which is ubiquitous across all races)?

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Shageletic posted:

There has got to be an article or two about this already, but perhaps the tendency of black heroes to evince powers suggesting technology, the future, or learning (Mr. Fantastic, Static Shock, Black Lightning) might be just a reaction to create a model type of representation by people who have to struggle to introduce any at all. I dunno.

Mr Terrific I think you mean, unless theres been another FF reboot I didnt pay attention to. He's from the late 90's (if anyone couldnt tell by looking at his jacket), and I kind of assumed at that point the guys modernising the JSA kind of went "What if, and you might want to brace yourself for this one, we made a black superhero who wasnt from the street, wasnt ex-military, wasnt accused of a crime he didnt commit and didnt have lightning powers?". Admittedly that kind of out of the box thinking would probably give DC editorial an attack of the vapours, but they'd calm down when the followup was "And he's in the JSA so if we gently caress it up only a couple of dozen people will even notice". So long story short I think he is a deliberate attempt to give some representation that doesnt fall into the usual hackneyed comicbook stereotypes. Again, super fuckin' white over here but I always liked Mr Terrific. But then I'm on record as liking my comics slightly goofy, so the "T" on the face, the fairplay jacket, the orb things (I want to say they are called T-balls but that surely cant be right)... These are things that will endear a character to me.

On that note I will be watching all of iron fist, good bad or indifferent. I'm a really big iron fist fan from when I was a kid (as I say, give me a slightly goofy C-lister over your batmen and spidermen any day) and motherfucker if I made it through the Lungren Punisher, the Spawn movie and the 1990 Captain america movie I can make it through this. I didnt even particularly like the Spawn comics, that just how hard up we were for comicbook related media dammit.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

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Guy Goodbody posted:

The original Thunderbird had been dead for years before they introduced the second Thunderbird.

He died by beating up an airplane





Like, I'm not the worlds biggest X-fan, so correct me if I'm wrong, but doesnt nightcrawlers teleporting work on line-of-sight? So if he can see the plane (for example on pretty much any panel on that second page) he can bamf over to it, grab thunderbird and bamf away?

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

Oh no!😱

Tatum Girlparts posted:

So where should I watch AoS if I'm a big Marvel fan who was kinda meh on the first few episodes and just lost track? When does it start to shift from monster of the week to real story stuff?

Cant help you with where, but as for when, poo poo started to get real (as the show is based on SHIELD) around the episodes that aired when Winter Soldier came out. S01E17 I think. Opinion in the thread for the show was divided about whether you should recommend people skip straight to that episode or power through the (fairly mediocre) first half of the season to get the context. Depends on your tolerance for monster of the week, if you can stand it then stuff that happens later will have more weight as you will know the characters better, but I find it hard to recommend watching the start of S1 to most people and dont think you lose too much if you just skip to maybe S01E15 and watch from there.

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SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

Oh no!😱

Guy Goodbody posted:

The guy who said if you like Doctor Who you'll like AoS was exactly on the money. It's like there's a spectrum for sci-fi shows where you have to wade through poo poo to get to the good parts. Fringe is on one side, with a decent amount of poo poo but plenty of really good parts. Doctor Who is on the other extreme, with tons of poo poo and a few good parts. AoS is probably closer to Fringe, it just frontloads and concentrates the majority of it's poo poo into an intensely terrible 15 or so episodes before you get some reasonably OK low budget sci-fi tv

Counterpoint; If someone gave me a straight choice between watching the first 5 or 6 episodes of Fringe or hammering nails through my dick, I'd have to give the matter some thought.

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