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Gabriel Pope posted:If someone wants to look like a tacky idiot I have a hard time seeing the righteous rage. I only really think a line is crossed when someone's making profit from minorities at their own expense, e.g. authentic ethnic restaurants/craftsmen/artists being driven out of business by lovely knockoffs repackaged for mass consumption. That's mainly what people complain about when they complain about CA.
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The Insect Court posted:No, that's creepy Orientalist fetishism. And I'm not sure it's what "people" complain about as much as what you would complain about. I shouldn't have to explain the troublesome undertones in your implying that only the inscrutable Celestial has the ability to produce their exotic land's native dishes bred into them. Nah making money off of culture that's not yours is pretty much specifically appropriation, especially if there's a racial oppressor/oppressed dynamic. Think white holding down minorities and then stealing their music and making money on stuff they wouldn't the folks who invented it do.
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Mar 24, 2015 20:20
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JeffersonClay posted:I'm relieved that I can now carelessly toss around racial slurs since they have a smaller impact on people of color than global warming. How dare you erase the aids and malaria you unbelievable shitlord. 
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Mar 24, 2015 20:22
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Cultural appropriation is only something that happens to college socialists, not something used to oppress the global poor and PoC. BRB, going to go drink some Fiji water.
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Mar 24, 2015 20:29
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fspades posted:I don't hate leftists, I'm a leftist. I hate what passes as leftism over there and their silly blogs and campus communities. The global warming example (and it is just an example) was given to show you how far you people are up on your own asses, and how little motivation you have to actually change something. Be true to yourselves; who are you trying to discipline when you complain about cultural appropriation? "Leftists don't care about the global poor if they care at all about slightly better off minorities" - A good leftist
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Mar 24, 2015 20:37
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fspades posted:See, this is the kind of sloppy, self-righteous poo poo I'm talking about. FYI Zeitgueist, I never drank Fiji water. In fact, I never even had the opportunity to drink Fiji water, it's not sold where I live. If you asked what I think about Fiji water, I would answer it as a huge waste of human resources, just the kind capitalism excels at making and the outcome of the economic system we're in. And not the result of whitey's insatiable lust for POC culture or whatever. I'm not the one being self-righteous. You missed my point which is that Fiji marketing water to rich white douchebags in developed nations is an example of a corporation appropriating culture and resources that directly screws over PoC in the global south. I was specifically talking about economic exploitation, not people making consumer choices.
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Mar 24, 2015 21:25
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Blue Star posted:Why is there this perception that only "white college liberal tumblr SJWs" care about cultural appropriation? If you click on the first author in the OP, you can see that the author is a black woman. So why do some people keep going on and on about "oh those whiny white liberal SJWs going on about Chinese food Might be that some folks don't actually give a poo poo any of this but want an excuse to whine about SJW's. Maybe.
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Mar 24, 2015 21:30
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Mandy Thompson posted:One problem with wearing dreadslocks is that for white people, they are being rebellious, so lots of white people wearing them gets it labeled as rebellious and "unprofessional" and honestly they look terrible on white people so when actual black women wear them because that is how their hair is, they get pointed to a policy that ethnic styles are unprofessional It's a trick, there are no socially acceptable hair styles for black women.
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Mar 24, 2015 21:33
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fspades posted:Rich douchebags buying exotic luxuries has been a thing since there were rich douchebags. They are not douchebags because they are white and so culturally appropriating but because they became rich by exploitation. Both. They exploit people, often ethnic and racial minorities, and one of the ways is through appropriation. quote:Then why the discussion revolves around white girls wearing saris? Was her sari made by an exploited Indian worker too? If so, what makes it so different than a regular shirt made by an exploited Indian worker? By making the center of debate about white people and their consumer choices you are obfuscating what is actually going on and inviting people rightly to ask "what's wrong with cultural interaction?" It is a question the left cannot give a coherent answer. I'm not making the debate white girls wearing saris. However appropriation is a real thing and something to talk about, and has connections to global economic exploitation.
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Mar 24, 2015 22:12
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Periodiko posted:Also Fiji water? What? Turns out that beautiful island water may not be the best company in the world to the beautiful island it comes from. Relatively small example. Tea is probably a better example of a drink that was appropriated and then used to oppress.
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Mar 24, 2015 22:23
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-Troika- posted:Even the people who get upset when a white guy eats ethnic food? No, not really. Actually you're right, one time this social justice warrior on tumblr(  ) said a thing, turns out cultural appropriation is not a problem. Good work thread.
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Mar 24, 2015 22:27
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Periodiko posted:Surely that's uncontroversial economic exploitation of a poor country? What is the cultural appropriation of Fiji water? Hell, I'm not saying you're wrong, but what is the oppressive cultural appropriation of tea? Yes the British did terrible things to secure tea, and introduced tea-drinking to countries they were subjugating, but I'm not understanding how the sin is in the sudden popularity of tea-drinking rather than the general colonial domination and warring? It's both. I'm giving examples of where cultural appropriation has had real consequences in poor nations around the world with regards to exploitation, to address the lovely idea that we can't talk about CA because oppression happens elsewhere. Truth is we really don't need to go beyond the US to see examples of appropriation used to profit off of and oppress, look at music.
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Mar 24, 2015 22:57
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-Troika- posted:Can Western culture be appropriated? Can the globally dominant culture that generally does the appropriation be appropriated. Probably. By who and how? Dunno.
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Mar 24, 2015 22:58
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blackguy32 posted:A perfect example of cultural appropriation is Iggy Azalea. Someone who adopts "hood" culture as there own while not being from the hood, and at times doing and saying things that are actually harmful to people that are from there.  Somehow raps in a southern "black" vernacular, is from New Zealand. Text is subtitle btw. Zeitgueist fucked around with this message at 00:22 on Mar 25, 2015 |
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Mar 25, 2015 00:20
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blackguy32 posted:Also, note how I never called it black culture. I mean Eminem while receiving many of the same criticisms has never poo poo on his audience in the way that Iggy Azalea has. Eminem, for all his faults, does reference in his songs that part of the reason he's famous is he's a white guy doing rap.
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Mar 25, 2015 00:22
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Popular Thug Drink posted:She was referencing a Kendrick Lamarr lyric, and botched it. Sorry white lady people will be offended if you refer to yourself as a slavemaster. Yeah I don't necessarily buy it either, given what a shitlord she's been elsewhere in the media. I think it was a calculated risk to cause controversy. There's no way people recorded that and not be like "uuuuhhhh Iggy....."
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Mar 25, 2015 00:34
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Powercrazy posted:I'm absolutely not defending Azalea, I don't really know enough to critique specific examples of hers, I'll agree with whatever position you have on her. But accusing her of "hood culture" appropriation seems a bit hypocritical especially considering the justified backlash against people criticizing "hood," "black", or "ghetto" culture right? He's accusing her of a racist, inaccurate, and most importantly appropriated take on stereotypically "hood" culture.
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Mar 25, 2015 00:51
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One thing I've noticed about cultural appropriation discussion is that it makes white people on the whole fairly antsy and they start doing the slippery slope thing. I'm guessing it's that thing where if you talk about racism at all, whites get uncomfortable because they realize they've probably done it and might feel bad.
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Mar 25, 2015 01:35
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The Insect Court posted:Wow, I never knew those undocumented Guatemalans working the kitchen over at the local Chinese take-out place were cultural appropriators. Gonna put on my black bandana, fill up a couple molotov cocktails, and go let those Enemies of the People know how "problematic" their cultural appropriation is. drat, you sure got me there dude.
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Mar 25, 2015 03:22
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rakovsky maybe posted:Cultural appropriation is not real. - White people, everywhere
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Mar 25, 2015 03:40
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Literally half of page 5 of this thread is " social justice warriors!"As I posted earlier, white people really hate the concept of cultural appropriation because they might have to feel bad. Oddly enough, the folks who complain about SJW's seem to have no problem pretending to get mad about the appropriation that the dreaded ~tumblerites~ do of social justice language.
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Mar 25, 2015 18:05
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Powercrazy posted:"Minimal cultural imposition," I'm sure this is a rigorously defined position that no one could possibly disagree with unless they are "bitter" or something. Why yes this is basically physics he'll post his mathematical proofs later in the thread.
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Mar 25, 2015 18:10
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JeffersonClay posted:What's worse, appropriating an oppressed person's culture so that others outside that culture mis perceive it, or convincing an oppressed person that their culture is toxic and should be radically changed? Whats worse, Katy Perry, or gassing the jews? I'll hang up for my answer thanks and god bless.
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Mar 25, 2015 18:57
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JeffersonClay posted:Yes, the implication was that if cultural appropriation via commodification is bad, then cultural self-destruction via Marxism is much worse. Wow, hoisted on the red petard. Turns out white people don't have to worry about appropriation, you've figured it out.
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Mar 25, 2015 19:40
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hakimashou posted:Yup, nothing has ever been so murderous and abominable as the communist campaign against human culture. Real people died, in numbers never before seen and, one can hope, never to be seen again. How dare you diminish the tortuous deaths that my ancestors faced via religious persecution my implying that modern era deaths are the only important thing. Disgusting, you make me sick.
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Mar 25, 2015 19:42
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paranoid randroid posted:I do not believe that a singular, overarching "culture of humanity" is possible or even desirable. It's OK, the human mono culture will definitely be a beautiful tapestry of the human experience and not whatever culture currently is in power overwhelming anything else. Stop talking about racism you're causing division. 
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Mar 25, 2015 19:52
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unlimited shrimp posted:Is it cultural appropriation if I where a sari because I think it looks beautiful, not because I'm trying to "celebrate" Indian culture? I dunno, cultural appropriation is impossible to understand there is no literature on the subject. 
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Mar 25, 2015 20:04
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Rent-A-Cop posted:What are your recommendations for literature on the subject? It doesn't exist, what are you talking about. This thread is for asking whether or not I can eat tikka masala without feeling bad.
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Mar 25, 2015 20:11
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Zeitgueist posted:It doesn't exist, what are you talking about. BTW the answer is you can, it's delicious.
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Mar 25, 2015 20:11
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Jakcson posted:But can white people eat native american flatbread without feeling bad? White people should never ever be made to feel bad about anything.
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Mar 25, 2015 20:20
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unlimited shrimp posted:Talking more generally about the SJ quip about poor white people being made to feel uncomfortable. I've met enough SJ enthusiasts who like to needle white people because they feel it's justified, but will then turn around and talk about structural injustice and how it's "not about you, individual white person I just mocked." Truly the worst form of discrimination, also the only one that we can ever find examples of, is that which is directed towards white people. Also I like how folks have moved away from SJW to "SJ enthusist" because they realize the insane bigots who threaten to bomb feminists use the same terms and it might make them look bad.
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Mar 25, 2015 21:43
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unlimited shrimp posted:I think "SJ enthusiast" more accurately captures the concept of a person who dimly spouts received social justice concepts to signify their solidarity with the tribe, but who hasn't seriously interrogated any of the ideas Yeah that's pretty much the way people claimed they were using SJW, but it turned out to be just for using against people who disagree with you/are left of Anthony Cumia. So basically what I said.
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Mar 25, 2015 22:07
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Nearly all rap is socially conscious.
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Mar 25, 2015 22:17
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semper wifi posted:I know I personally turn to Migos whenever I want biting, hard hitting social commentary. I knew I could get one of you guys to bite on that one.
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Mar 25, 2015 22:23
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Rodatose posted:If you only meant socially conscious and not socially active, well yeah but that doesn't say much. You might as well say "nearly all lyrical music is conscious" because some indie rocker moaning about how the suburbs they grew up in gave them malaise is showing consciousness of suburbs=ultimately unfulfilling, or anyone singing about how they are going to dance in the bar or club or ice cream social or hootenanny is conscious that by following certain social customs, you can get close to someone and dance and that closedancing feels good. I meant conscious specifically, and partly I posted that because I knew some dipshit would think I meant social commentary and I could laugh at them. But I meant conscious in the sense that it's hard for any rapper, especially black, to not be somewhat reflective of the community they exist in, perhaps even more so than if you expand it to "all music is socially conscious" because the experience of being black in the USA is such a heavily politicized one in all aspects. Even pop-rap has some lines that you could read into, sometimes.
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Mar 25, 2015 23:32
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7c Nickel posted:Ha ha! You sure showed those people with traumatic experiences what's what! You see this one time a person on tumblr used it wrong therefore
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Mar 26, 2015 00:49
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blowfish posted:I am surprised nobody has mentioned Apache helicopters are cultural appropriation It's my understanding that it's not uncommon to use native hagiography in military training/indoctrination as well.
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Mar 26, 2015 19:31
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Hey PTD, I've come to Just Ask Some Questions about this very serious Slippery Slope Danger, please answer me.
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Mar 27, 2015 17:56
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Powercrazy posted:Not SJW, but free speech, or rather as I like to refer to it "The Right to Offend." Putting it like that is a pretty revealing way to do it. Armani posted:This line stands out to me more than anything else you've posted. Can you elaborate? If you said something that offends me - does my defense not count as free speech? Yes but he'll complain about it and never, ever see the irony.
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Powercrazy posted:Yea. I really think it's a good way to get the point across since people have these weird projections about how others handle criticism. No, I mean talking about free speech as if it's your license to be a dick says a lot about you. Yes, you get to be a jerk, that doesn't make it admirable quality and it certainly doesn't protect you from people responding to the giant douche you're being.
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