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starkebn: May 18, 2004; "Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"

I'm being hyperbolic, I don't travel anywhere. It's probably closer to $15 to from where I am to the city and back every day.

The sticker shock when you want to take a family of 5 to the museum on a Sunday is rude though, paying for parking makes way more sense

# ? Apr 30, 2015 06:36

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# ? May 2, 2024 01:42

norp: Jan 20, 2004; TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

let's invade New Zealand, they have oil

Negligent posted:

literally every suburb along the fremantle rail line has a higher average income than the australian mean so fear not white people, you will not have to rub shoulders with poors

You shoulda heard them bitch when it was connecting through with Armadale instead of midland during the undergrounding work in the city.
All the hobos that ride up and down the Armadale line suddenly got dumped in freo

# ? Apr 30, 2015 06:37

Laserface: Dec 24, 2004

norp posted:

Annual tyre change at ~$600 is another $2/day
how much your car cost? 40k? How much will it be worth in 5years? $20k? That's another $11/day.

Counting it as a sunk cost and ignoring those costs for your commute is dishonest when making this argument.

Tyres last longer than a year unless you are buying semislicks or drifting every single corner you make. You can also buy ultra-poo poo tyres for under $400 a set that will last just as long, if not longer than 3 years.

My car cost $13k second hand and has dropped 1K in value in seven years.

# ? Apr 30, 2015 06:43

Chamale: Jul 11, 2010; I'm helping!

As someone from the northern hemisphere, I just wanted to drop in to congratulate you on the best thread title I've ever seen.

# ? Apr 30, 2015 06:44

hooman: Oct 11, 2007; This guy seems legit.; Fun Shoe

Chamale posted:

As someone from the northern hemisphere, I just wanted to drop in to congratulate you on the best thread title I've ever seen.

Please don't encourage us, we're terrible.

# ? Apr 30, 2015 06:47

Jibs Monteef: Dec 13, 2009

norp posted:

You shoulda heard them bitch when it was connecting through with Armadale instead of midland during the undergrounding work in the city.
All the hobos that ride up and down the Armadale line suddenly got dumped in freo

yes, because the midland line is super wealthy and very different to the armadale line

# ? Apr 30, 2015 06:49

Negative Entropy: Nov 30, 2009

I do indeed like TransPerth.
Brisbane is a shambles. and expensive. but then so is driving.

bulldozer it all flat and start over.

# ? Apr 30, 2015 06:59

Goffer: Apr 4, 2007; "..."

Negligent posted:

literally every suburb along the fremantle rail line has a higher average income than the australian mean so fear not white people, you will not have to rub shoulders with poors

Obviously you have not experienced this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cWPxC51bbc

It is good

# ? Apr 30, 2015 07:00

norp: Jan 20, 2004; TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

let's invade New Zealand, they have oil

Jibs Monteef posted:

yes, because the midland line is super wealthy and very different to the armadale line

The midland line goes through a few fairly affluent suburbs before it hits the low SES suburbs though. Armadale line leaves the city and then goes to that well known low crime area next to the casino
I'm not agreeing with it, just saying that my mums friends had a massive bitch about it at the time.

# ? Apr 30, 2015 07:01

Synthbuttrange: May 6, 2007

Jesus christ if you think Transperth is great, dont come to Melbourne. You'd die from the shock.

# ? Apr 30, 2015 07:01

Gough Suppressant: Nov 14, 2008

The funny thing is Sydney would be even worse for density if it wasn't hemmed in by mountains and parks.

# ? Apr 30, 2015 07:01

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

quote:

LNP's Strong Choices cost more than $70 million

It turns out the state's budget took a strong hit from the former Queensland government's Strong Choices plan.

Treasurer Curtis Pitt said figures released to the current government showed more than $70 million had been spent on advertising, scoping studies and the like to prepare for the former government's asset privatisation plan.

Opposition Leader Lawrence Springborg said it was only right that the LNP prepared both Queenslanders and the assets for privatisation, but Mr Pitt, pre-empting what is going to be a fairly lacklustre budget, said it has left him with a hole.

The government will essentially have to repay the Queensland Treasury Corporation more than $40 million for work it undertook on behalf of the previous government for a capital works program based around Strong Choices.

The LNP plan would have seen the state's ports and electricity assets offloaded, with the money spent on debt reduction and infrastructure.

Labor campaigned on a no asset sales platform, with a plan to eventually merge the state's electricity retailers and generators, a move which has raised eyebrows in the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission.

But Mr Pitt said while Strong Choices was dead, its legacy would live on in the July budget.

"When I say we are finding out new things every day that is absolutely correct," he said.

"We are finding out new things every day and have discovered that the true amount to date, that we have been able to uncover is more than $70 million that the LNP expended on Strong Choices in Queensland.

"Now that, of course, is very concerning because that is money that has already been expended, money that had already been set aside to fund things like front line services and community services around this state.

"That is money that is now foregone and Queenslanders will never see again."

Mr Pitt said the Newman Government had been prepared to spend up to a quarter of a billion dollars.

"$70 million is the actual figure which has been outlaid," he said.

"When we then look at what the LNP was prepared to spend, we are talking about a figure of up to $250 million.

"They sought approval and had approval for up to $250 million to be expended on Strong Choices and asset sales in Queensland."

But Labor have some experience with how much preparing for asset off-loading can cost - it spent $226 million when it privatised the Port of Brisbane and QR National between 2009 and 2012, with $20 million of that spent on advertising. That decision ultimately cost it government.

Fairfax Media revealed outside consultants had been brought in to help sell the LNP's plan to Queenslanders last year, a plan that ultimately fell flat at the election booth.

But Mr Springborg defended the decisions of the former administration.

"I don't have the figures off the top of my head, but if you go back prior to that time when the Labor government in Queensland had a secret privatisation plan, they also spent money in readying that for the market," he said.

"It was only right that the LNP, in a plan that they took to the people of Queensland to ask for their consent, should actually do a whole range of preparatory work around that, if the people of Queensland provided support, because we needed to be in a position to move quickly.

"That is not unusual, particularly when you are looking at such a major program for infrastructure and investment that would have come from Strong Choices."

Parliament will resume next week.

The LNP is refusing to be interviewed about it.

# ? Apr 30, 2015 07:03

Negative Entropy: Nov 30, 2009

SynthOrange posted:

Jesus christ if you think Transperth is great, dont come to Melbourne. You'd die from the shock.

Melbourne makes me wistful. I will live there one day.

# ? Apr 30, 2015 07:10

Negligent: Aug 20, 2013; Its just lovely here this time of year.

I hate perth so much I moved overseas but honestly it has a p good public transport network for a city of its size. OK the freo line runs to perth through the most affluent and whiter than white suburbs. and yet if you live in one of the terrible suburbs you can still get a bus or train with reasonable certainty.

perth is one of the worst examples of urban sprawl yet the govt owned public transport authority is committed to running services to bumfuck, nowhere. that's p good imo

# ? Apr 30, 2015 07:10

blindidiotgod: Jan 9, 2005

Goffer posted:

Obviously you have not experienced this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cWPxC51bbc

It is good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDhmdbVk0l4

Well I'll be Bertied!

# ? Apr 30, 2015 07:14

Birb Katter: Sep 18, 2010; BOATS STOPPED
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Anidav posted:

The LNP is refusing to be interviewed about it.

New law, if you need to spend money to sell an asset that is making money you are charged with corruption.

# ? Apr 30, 2015 07:19

Gough Suppressant: Nov 14, 2008

If I could change one thing about Melbourne it would be to demolish the nimby inner eastern leafy suburbs that have amazing public transport coverage and start building something more than loving dual occupancies.

We recently had new residential zones rolled out in a refurbishment of our planning scheme. Some councils which are where all the liberal party donors live decided to designate 80%+ of their suburb as the lowest development potential, allowing no more than 2 dwellings on a lot, while designating less than 2% as the growth areas.

The labor councils in the inner North stalled while waiting for a new state government so now they'll get the same 80/2 kind of split.

Gough Suppressant fucked around with this message at 07:24 on Apr 30, 2015

# ? Apr 30, 2015 07:21

Gough Suppressant: Nov 14, 2008

It's cool, we'll just create another loving 200,000+ under serviced monstrosity like Casey on top of what little arable land we have left.

# ? Apr 30, 2015 07:26

GrandMaster: Aug 15, 2004; laidback

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBlJ1tiySUA

also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxZiae16Ry8

# ? Apr 30, 2015 07:27

open24hours: Jan 7, 2001

Gough Suppressant posted:

It's cool, we'll just create another loving 200,000+ under serviced monstrosity like Casey on top of what little arable land we have left.

I don't understand why Melbourne hasn't annexed Gelong. For a few hundred million you could probably get a fast train to link them and you get a ready-built city.

[EDIT: Probably better to make that a few billion]

open24hours fucked around with this message at 07:47 on Apr 30, 2015

# ? Apr 30, 2015 07:41

Gough Suppressant: Nov 14, 2008

open24hours posted:

I don't understand why Melbourne hasn't annexed Gelong. For a few hundred million you could probably get a fast train to link them and you get a ready-built city.

[EDIT: Probably better to make that a few billion]

Don't worry, we will get there eventually. Quarter acre blocks non stop from Werribee to Torquay. :australia:

Gough Suppressant fucked around with this message at 08:06 on Apr 30, 2015

# ? Apr 30, 2015 08:03

Redcordial: Nov 7, 2009; TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

lol the country is fed up with your safe spaces and trigger warnings you useless special snowflakes, send the sjws to mexico

Ahhh the old driving vs public transport debate.. This is one of my favourites to hear people discuss.

As a motorbike rider, I pay no more than $20 a week on fuel, regardless of how many trips into Uni or work that I need to make. I also have owned the same bike for 3 years which initially cost $6,000, and it's value will hold at the 4k mark until I'm ready to upgrade. Upkeep and maintenance costs are extremely low, thanks to having a small capacity bike (250cc).

Parking is also an issue I never have to contend with, nor pay any amount of money for, ever. And traffic is almost a non-existent concept thanks to lane splitting/filtering, so I rarely am late due to traffic unless there is a severe accident stopping all traffic.

It is also a known method of improving brain-elasticity which results in a lower risk factor in regards to developing depression, and I'm never tired once arriving at work/Uni thanks to practically being at war every time I'm on the roads. Soccer mums, distracted fools and simple idiots are a danger to us all, however...

Anyway there's my great situation in regards to movement of my person, carry on as you were.

Ps. gently caress this god drat system/country/treatment of human beings.

# ? Apr 30, 2015 08:08

Gough Suppressant: Nov 14, 2008

And you're only 1400% over represented in fatalities based on kilometres travelled.

# ? Apr 30, 2015 08:15

Gough Suppressant: Nov 14, 2008

# ? Apr 30, 2015 08:17

Chiwie: Oct 21, 2010; DROP YOUR COAT AND GRAB YOUR TOES, I'LL SHOW YOU WHERE THE WILD GOOSE GOES!!!!

Gough Suppressant posted:

And you're only 1400% over represented in fatalities based on kilometres travelled.

Still better than catching public transport.

# ? Apr 30, 2015 08:25

Orkin Mang: Nov 1, 2007; by FactsAreUseless

i just did a poo poo i the toilet and his name was.....tony abot...get hosed? hae a look oval office

# ? Apr 30, 2015 08:28

Birb Katter: Sep 18, 2010; BOATS STOPPED
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Redcordial posted:

Ahhh the old driving vs public transport debate.. This is one of my favourites to hear people discuss.

As a motorbike rider, I pay no more than $20 a week on fuel, regardless of how many trips into Uni or work that I need to make. I also have owned the same bike for 3 years which initially cost $6,000, and it's value will hold at the 4k mark until I'm ready to upgrade. Upkeep and maintenance costs are extremely low, thanks to having a small capacity bike (250cc).

Parking is also an issue I never have to contend with, nor pay any amount of money for, ever. And traffic is almost a non-existent concept thanks to lane splitting/filtering, so I rarely am late due to traffic unless there is a severe accident stopping all traffic.

It is also a known method of improving brain-elasticity which results in a lower risk factor in regards to developing depression, and I'm never tired once arriving at work/Uni thanks to practically being at war every time I'm on the roads. Soccer mums, distracted fools and simple idiots are a danger to us all, however...

Anyway there's my great situation in regards to movement of my person, carry on as you were.

Ps. gently caress this god drat system/country/treatment of human beings.

lol, $20 a week on petrol and $6k for a bike. $0 on petrol and $1k for a bike, you get exercise and burn fat. Oh, you're way less likely to die or end up with a broken spine too. Careful about getting smug because you're not at the top of the smug chain by any means.

# ? Apr 30, 2015 08:45

hooman: Oct 11, 2007; This guy seems legit.; Fun Shoe

Birb Katter posted:

lol, $20 a week on petrol and $6k for a bike. $0 on petrol and $1k for a bike, you get exercise and burn fat. Oh, you're way less likely to die or end up with a broken spine too. Careful about getting smug because you're not at the top of the smug chain by any means.

I huff my own farts until I am lighter than air and am buoyed by currents to my destination.

$0 a week on farts, $0 a week on huffing.

Checkmate transportailures.

# ? Apr 30, 2015 08:46

Zetsubou-san: Jan 28, 2015; Cruel Bifaunidas demanded that you [stand]🧍 I require only that you [kneel]🧎

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# ? Apr 30, 2015 08:50

NPR Journalizard: Feb 14, 2008

Birb Katter posted:

lol, $20 a week on petrol and $6k for a bike. $0 on petrol and $1k for a bike, you get exercise and burn fat. Oh, you're way less likely to die or end up with a broken spine too. Careful about getting smug because you're not at the top of the smug chain by any means.

I dare you to ride to and from work for all of a Perth summer.

# ? Apr 30, 2015 08:54

hooman: Oct 11, 2007; This guy seems legit.; Fun Shoe

Frogmanv2 posted:

I dare you to ride to and from work for all of a Perth summer.

I have.... it's not that bad.

# ? Apr 30, 2015 08:57

Birb Katter: Sep 18, 2010; BOATS STOPPED
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Frogmanv2 posted:

I dare you to ride to and from work for all of a Perth summer.

You're riding in the cooler parts of the day, drink a bit more fluids, have sex with beautiful people who love your smooth well toned legs, get sweet tan lines. What is not to like?

# ? Apr 30, 2015 08:58

Redcordial: Nov 7, 2009; TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

lol the country is fed up with your safe spaces and trigger warnings you useless special snowflakes, send the sjws to mexico

I cycle sometimes too don't get me wrong, but it's actually more dangerous, I find, than having my very loud exhaust alert terrible drivers of my presence..

Also yeah I came across as smug, but gently caress it so many people complain about things they can actively change it's pathetic..

Have a great day all, except for craigpissdick..

# ? Apr 30, 2015 08:59

Graic Gabtar: Dec 19, 2014; squat my posts

Redcordial posted:

Ahhh the old driving vs public transport debate.. This is one of my favourites to hear people discuss.

As a motorbike rider, I pay no more than $20 a week on fuel, regardless of how many trips into Uni or work that I need to make. I also have owned the same bike for 3 years which initially cost $6,000, and it's value will hold at the 4k mark until I'm ready to upgrade. Upkeep and maintenance costs are extremely low, thanks to having a small capacity bike (250cc).

Parking is also an issue I never have to contend with, nor pay any amount of money for, ever. And traffic is almost a non-existent concept thanks to lane splitting/filtering, so I rarely am late due to traffic unless there is a severe accident stopping all traffic.

It is also a known method of improving brain-elasticity which results in a lower risk factor in regards to developing depression, and I'm never tired once arriving at work/Uni thanks to practically being at war every time I'm on the roads. Soccer mums, distracted fools and simple idiots are a danger to us all, however...

Anyway there's my great situation in regards to movement of my person, carry on as you were.

All these wonderful things to consider as you sail through the air waiting to hit something very hard at speed.

# ? Apr 30, 2015 09:11

Graic Gabtar: Dec 19, 2014; squat my posts

Gough Suppressant posted:

If I could change one thing about Melbourne it would be to demolish the nimby inner eastern leafy suburbs that have amazing public transport coverage and start building something more than loving dual occupancies.

Just make it worth people's while and all those horrible rich people will jump right on it I'm sure.

# ? Apr 30, 2015 09:15

fliptophead: Oct 2, 2006

QUACKTASTIC posted:

You can't abuse human rights in defiance of international law and then criticise others for doing the same. How did this weaken our ability to plead for mercy for our own citizens?

"Only a pathetically weak leader would execute the powerless to prove his strength."

That's Fairfax journalist Peter Hartcher's assessment of the cruel and inhumane way in which Jokowi put humanity and judicial rigour aside in the lead-up to the executions of Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran.

He's right.

But substitute the words "people smuggler" for "drug smuggler" and ask yourself this: how is Indonesia's unjust, hard-line, domestically focused mistreatment of foreigners any different to ours?

Australia too has refused to acknowledge the humanity of foreigners; Australia too has mistreated people in defiance of international law; Australia too has defended its policies using hyperbolic language - all on the basis that punishing a few will save many more.

But will Jokowi's actions stop drug smuggling any more than Australia's mistreatment of refugees and their children will prevent people smuggling or stop people fleeing war and unrest?

In the end, Indonesia isn't the only country punishing the weak and the powerless for the sake of a weak and powerless leader's grasp at popularity.

Something to remember in the next few days is that you lose any claim to moral superiority if you only selectively choose to be compassionate. Human rights are universal, not optional. Many in Australia have criticised Indonesia for pleading clemency for its own condemned nationals overseas - but you can't abuse human rights in defiance of international law and then criticise others for doing the same.

As Tony Abbott said today:
It was completely unacceptable for Indonesia to proceed as it did when critical legal processes were yet to run their course, raising serious questions about Indonesia's commitment to the rule of law.
These executions significantly weaken Indonesia's ability to plead mercy for its own citizens facing execution around the world.

So what of our refusal to allow for appeals for refugees, to retrospectively change the law, to ignore refoulement contraventions, to designate unborn children "illegals", toexcise the Australian mainland from Australia's migration zone?

When the Prime Minister boasts that his Government won't "succumb to the cries of human rights lawyers", why should he expect Jokowi's government to do this?

And what of our casual treatment of Indonesia's borders in the name of our "sovereign" ones? How did this weaken our ability to plead for mercy for our own citizens? And how do our human rights abuses affect our ability to lecture others on theirs - a particularly pertinent point, given our bid to join the UN Human Rights Council, even as the new Sri Lankan government accuses the Abbott Government of being silent about the Rajapaksa regime's human rights abuses in return for cooperation on Australia's asylum seeker policy?

What happened in Indonesia last night was terrible - but so too is what is happening every day in our detention centres and on the seas. The same secrecy, the same defiant cruelty, the same indignantly self-righteous sophistry.

Chan and Sukumaran definitely did not deserve such a punishment for a foolish mistake they made as young men, but why do children and babies, brought by their parents or born in detention, deserve the punishment meted out to them by the Australian Government and its contractors - a life spent in detention without rights or adequate medical and other care?

If only the Government acted as quickly on reports of sexual abuse in detention as it has in regards to these poor Australian men.

And if only our Government - whether Liberal or Labor - recognised that you only have moral authority if you exercise and respect, rather than dodge or ignore, your moral obligations.

If only. It's a tragedy for all of us, whether Indonesian or Australian.

Where is this from? I clicked the link at the bottom but it was just the tomato/all lnp members being his/their usual hosed self/ves

# ? Apr 30, 2015 09:27

Birb Katter: Sep 18, 2010; BOATS STOPPED
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fliptophead posted:

Where is this from? I clicked the link at the bottom but it was just the tomato/all lnp members being his/their usual hosed self/ves

It's from that great bastion of leftism, The ABC

# ? Apr 30, 2015 09:33

Orkin Mang: Nov 1, 2007; by FactsAreUseless

the autralian bolshevik network...ugh...just wow & ughff

# ? Apr 30, 2015 09:35

Graic Gabtar: Dec 19, 2014; squat my posts

Birb Katter posted:

It's from that great bastion of leftism, The ABC

That's a nice bit of fluff to keep the home fires burning on asylum seekers, but the premise is flawed.

The ABC posted:

When the Prime Minister boasts that his Government won't "succumb to the cries of human rights lawyers", why should he expect Jokowi's government to do this?

He doesn't. He only wants voters to think he's battling for it. Playing both sides works politically and Widodo has done it himself only in the last week with outrage over an executed national in Saudi Arabia.

So to claim anything has come "undone" is a pretty weak argument - "Tones, if you had only rolled on asylum seekers our boys would be safe."

Ah... no.

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Gough Suppressant: Nov 14, 2008

Graic Gabtar posted:

He doesn't. He only wants voters to think he's battling for it.

And I think that that is something worth attempting to draw attention to. Your position seems to be that hypocrisy shouldn't be pointed out if the person never had any intentions to be anything other than hypocritical in the first place.

People not pointing out that the stated positions and actual goals of politicians don't match up is how we got to such a loving dismal state of politics in the first place.

# ? Apr 30, 2015 10:26

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