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Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

Scribblehatch posted:

I have drawn conjoined island goddesses of sea and sky.



And a chipper young gardener lady from a world of simian-people.



Ooh I think you've got a real knack for mecha. I can imagine having a toy of this and being able to move the joints anywhere within reason. I like it!

all your female anatomy looks like barbie dolls. if you're going to draw such blatant fap material at least change up the body types once in a while. that is My Opinion.

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Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

Scribblehatch posted:

Don't be rude.

I'm sorry, here let me rephrase:

pretty please stop drawing all women like they are the exact same fake plastic doll because it's objectifying, boring, and gross. tia.

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

Colon Semicolon posted:

Art's a pretty self-serving thing. Most of it is not meant for anyone but the artist's own interests. Maybe you should go learn to draw and draw the things you want instead of trying to tell others what they're supposed to do?

I wasn't planning on posting this here but y'know what, I think someone like you would enjoy it. Here's a plastic doll.


I do draw, and it's usually not with one hand down my pants. I manage not to post blatant fetish material in the art forum, certainly a crazy concept

so why exactly do all your robots have giant titties and child bearing hips? what purpose does that serve a robot? we are all very aware that it's just because it gives you a raging hardon. do you seriously not understand why some people would be uncomfortable with seeing some dude's j/o material constantly

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?
not everyone is going to be cool with your robofetish dude. maybe grow a thicker skin if you choose to publicly post your soft core porn in communities not made for that

are the big titties where they store their ram

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?
yes, you two are the ones getting upset at any sign of criticism, not me

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?
the truth hurts sometimes

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

Colon Semicolon posted:

what truth would that be
What is this rollercoaster leading to exactly

that no one wants to see your sexy jerkoff tittyrobots or perpetually nude island animes except other people who also jerk off to tittyrobots and perpetually nude island animes, and they are horribly creepy to anyone not in those categories

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

Colon Semicolon posted:

Okay we get that but what does that have to do with you being unable to communicate that in a way that's not rude right from the get go
Like do you just lack the ability to act in a constructive manner in social situations or...?

have you never been to an actual, real life critique before? because, believe me, I am being very kind all things considered. welcome to the art world.

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?
I went to art school for four years. crying during critique was a very common occurrence and people who couldn't take it didn't last very long. was it always fair? not at all, but the art world isn't fair and it taught me some very important lessons and made me toughen up. it's a very humbling experience, and one I think all artists would benefit from.

no one owes you niceness for your art. art directors aren't going to let you down easy when you plop down nonsense in front of them. if you're just drawing for hobby then fine, whatever, draw whatever misogynistic trash you want. but don't act super shocked when the world doesn't act like a hugbox and give you a gold star for being another gross dude drawing giant titties.

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?
first you try to discredit me as an artist because someone who criticizes you obviously couldn't be one, then you try to dehumanize me like one of your fuckbots (for being mean on the something awful forums, a place well known for its niceness) and call me a special snowflake for saying something anyone who has eyes could see. do you have any other deflections you'd like to try?

but you're not upset, oh no. that would be me :rolleyes:

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?
obviously I bought other accounts to puppetmaster my nefarious anti-tittyrobot sentiment, because multiple people surely cannot find robot pubic mounds distasteful

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?
I really have no interest in being nice to men who constantly objectify women in their art. if you guys drew anything at all besides unrealistically sexy fetishized women in painful looking sexy poses constantly and had any interest whatsoever in drawing things that don't get you hot and bothered maybe I'd be kinder but as it stands, nah.

this is my constructive critique: look at actual women when you draw. don't use porn and anime as reference. treat your female characters like people instead of mindless cheesecake and maybe you'll stop creeping people out.

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

Scribblehatch posted:

Pardon?



I now officially feel entitled to good manners.

is this from your comic where you wanted the main character to be nude all the time so you could show off her sick pink pubes that even 4chan was like woah there maybe not do that

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?
I'm simply going by your posts about how they wouldn't let you post it if she was nude and how it was totally ruining your artistic vision in the comics thread

what prudes. maybe the robot could use that buzz saw to cut off her clothes that'd be so hawt

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?
this has been bubbling up for awhile and their response to my original critique was what pushed me to finally lay it out there. it is a subject that is personally important to me as a female artist and it needed to be said.

people seem scared to death to step on anyone's toes in this subforum and it's absurd-- I'm not going to apologize for being mean on the something awful forums, especially not when it's about someone's sex drawings.

if the mods disagree with my tactics they can probate me. I've said my piece.

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?
maybe, but I'm not trying to win a debate or anything, just voicing my opinion.

I have taken many figure drawing classes and draw nude women occasionally on my own time myself but there's an obvious difference between artistic nudity and using objectifying angles focusing on butts and tiny waists and unrealistically large racks (a lot of time in the same image which isn't even anatomically possible). it just shows what the artist thinks is important, and it certainly isn't the character, but the character's sexual organs. it makes it look like you don't give a poo poo about women and a lot of women find it gross and I don't think male artists even take it into consideration or realize they're doing it. this is why the whole hawkeye initiative thing was such a hit, it shows how ridiculous the whole situation is.

so I'll repeat: please look at real women when you draw. cheesecake is fine and good but have a tiny shred of self awareness. there are so many male artists that flood the field with stuff like this and it's exhausting and depressing.

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?
I didn't draw my av but I did make crap's.


if you guys need to see my stuff to take my crit seriously I post it in the daily drawing thread as I'm not much of a digital artist. no big eyed goth elves or whatever I'm being accused of now though.

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?
it is completely possible to make sexy art that doesn't objectify women. some of my best buds draw sexy art that doesn't. it is easy not to be a big creep if you're self aware and put an effort into it, and you actually care how you portray women. my original complaint was that all of scribs women look like Barbie dolls, which I stand by.

I don't draw American cartoons so I don't know what you're talking about on that front

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?
as long as the women in the art don't look like realdolls I'm usually fine with it

my mentor senior year was Nathan Fox and he draws some pretty lewd pinup ladies but they all have obvious personalities and he wasn't afraid to ugly them up for the sake of the illustration. he also always drew from reference so even if the ladies had big titties it was still believable because they were based off real women he knew. of course, there were women in my department that absolutely hated his stuff so your results may vary.

it's kind of the difference between a hardcore porno and a sex scene in a movie, I think. you can get turned on by both, but it's obvious that one was made just for jerking off to and has little artistic merit.

Troposphere fucked around with this message at 18:55 on Jun 20, 2015

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

Scribblehatch posted:

I did not make either picture with the intent of anyone jerking off.

Not that you'll believe it.

I'm mainly speaking about tittyrobot man when I say that, since his stuff was obvious j/o material, he even linked to a hentai artist that does similar stuff

my main qualm with you is, like I said, all your women have the same exact body type and it's not a realistic one. their waists are tiny and probably couldn't hold any of their vital organs, their torsos are super elongated (influence from the one piece guy probably?) and their boobs are huge and perpetually perky even when they aren't wearing bras. the angles you use usually shove boobs or rear end in the viewer's face. these are all things you can fix, and your art would be better for it.

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

loga mira posted:

How the hell can a fictional character have control over anything pls dont trollin


You mean this guy?



I dunno I guess you have to be a woman to see the distinction. The reference stuff doesn't seen convincing, even if you're drawing from reference you're still picking what to draw and how, what to emphasize, what to drop.

yup that's him

there are other things for the viewer to rest their eyes on besides rear end and titties, she's leading the action, and she's actually relatively covered up besides the slit in her skirt. it's still an obvious pinup but it's visually interesting and has character.

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

loga mira posted:

Porn vs erotic art thing essentially. It is imo superficial, not to mention comical. Like you look at her tits and butt first bc thats how it's set up and it's what your mind tells you to do, and then you look at other stuff and are granted like a liberal indulgence for the sin of looking at tits.

so would you put, say, amateur furry inflation fetish art on the same level as a technically well executed gustav klimt nude? if not, why, if it's all the same?

Colon Semicolon posted:

I'm done here but FYI the blatantly sexual robot drawing was meant for a ladyfriend who specifically asked me to design that character for them. It's what they wanted and I was happy to oblige. Also the character with the 'big child like eyes' doesn't have any sexuality to it and I explicitly was trying to go against that. The korean artist did what he wanted and I'm okay with that, but I have no intention of doing that sort of thing to the character myself. Why do you think I changed the image to lower the skirt so there wasn't a weird 'panty shot' on a thing that's born from a dying star? I like expressive eyes on robots, it helps characterize them and helps convey emotion in a way people can understand. They're characters, not machines.

It's dumb to assume that everything has to do with blatant objectifying.

ahh the ol' it's not for me, it's for a friend!!! excuse. except that your entire blog is just super sexualized big titted robot ladies...

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

quite the fucker posted:

you get mad every time you see a sexy woman


you've never posted any of your art, which is one of the reasons no one takes your "criticisms" seriously


durrrr why does this fictional robot have anthropomorphic characteristics

raspy's got opinions on art and he's here to share them

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

quite the fucker posted:

she works in asstown

this is true

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

Delta Echo posted:

Interesting & relevant sidenote: Faces, hands, and feet are good indicators of an artist's skill.

a better indicator is if they decide a paintover of a disney character without panties is a good idea

Parrotine posted:

So where are all the chill art communities these days, outside of this one? Been looking for a while now and just can't seem to find anything that'll stick; they seem to be too massive (CA) or just so small they might as well be nonexistant.

I used to post on the Penny Arcade art corner, but just got so sick of dealing with all the clickish bullshit that goes around there. It was very frustrating to deal with and left a bad taste in my mouth on what's acceptible in an art community.

I dunno, I just want a friendly little place where I can post a doodle every now and then. I'm not trying to be a hot-shot artist trying to blaze a trail as numero uno concept artist, just want a pad to show a silly drawing every now and then. I'm getting fed up with all those sites where it's super serious all the time where every little thing you post is gonna get nitpicked to death. It sucks the fun of out of art for me quite frankly, and it's kind of a poor standard to set for an online community.

I already have friends who are working professionals in the industry that I go to whenever I need advice on how to get better. I don't really want a place to grind myself retarded, just a place to post odd paintings I do from time to time, like shark girl here!

Anyone got the scoop?



this is cute! try out tumblr. it's really the only one I know of and you have to kind of build your own community. facebook art groups can be good too.

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

windex posted:

You aren't wrong. The problem I've always struggled with is that all textbook definitions of progression just lead to failure on my part, always have, and it's incredibly frustrating.

I have been taught the processes you guys are describing in person, in books, off youtube, etc, and generally speaking, it saddens me that I never manage to get results that way even if I try to mimic what I'm seeing.

What I started doing to make progress was just abandon all of that. The first full character sketch I did this way probably took 60 hours, was mostly crap but helped me set character dimensions, and I had tons of trial and error learning. I've have worked it down quite a bit since then to just a few.

The thing that helps me in critique form is closer to the first one, which was mostly pointing out errors, than these last two, because process critiques are very valid for some, but just don't work for me. I drug myself down that path once and abandoned art entirely for like 5 years because of it, and a year and a half ago focused on something I wanted to do that needs art, bought a Cintiq and continue to power through it.

I have thousands of throwaways between now and then, but I really think I'm doing much better these days than I've ever done.

To put kind of a cap on this thought, one of my artist friends who was more traditionally educated (and has seen me work in person) describes my process as the same methodology you use to form clay into shapes, and thats a pretty good train of thought, but I've been hesitant to talk about it because I don't want other people to latch onto UNIQUE SNOWFLAKE METHOD justifications unless they really have spent years trying and failing and stumbled into their own way.

I'm really not trying to be mean here but it really just feels like you're making excuses

let's be honest now you may think the way you're doing things leads to improvement but if all you really have to show for it is a floating torso with no hands or feet you might want to rethink the whole giving up on traditional methods of learning art

if you put the time and effort in and not
just spend a million hours redoing the same thing you WILL improve

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?
maybe do some charcoal drawings? I know this is the digital art thread, but you can draw with a really loose grip with charcoal and that might be a bit easier for you, and you can transfer that looseness into your digital stuff afterwards

keep at it!

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

Fangz posted:

Did this for a reddit art competition. Warning, anime lesbians.



First time doing the (mostly) line-less style for a long while. Maybe it worked?

more like anime tricks you into thinking they're lesbians but surprise they're straight :mad:

cute style, I think you have just enough line in there to work with the painterly style. Reina's head is a little big though

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

Delta Echo posted:

I was ok with the size of her head. They're correctly proportioned for 8-yr-old anime lesbians.

they're high schoolers and even for kyoto animation characters the proportions are pretty extreme

it's an easy fix though, just elongate both of the torsos a little bit and shrink the heads

anime is tricky

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?
cool cool cool this thread is back to robot vaginas I see

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?
those robotitties better shoot rockets or lasers or something

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?
scientist who designed the sexy lady fuckbots: listen guys they need boobs ok? they just do.

other scientist: uhhh idk Steve they seem pretty pointless to me and the incredibly prominent labia is making everyone really uncomfortable

scientist who gets big boners from the lady robots with tits and vaginal lips: DO NOT QUESTION MY DESIGN CARL THEY NEED THEM

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

Colon Semicolon posted:

If memory serves right disney hired some dude that drew vore art at some point. I'd be suprised if anyone in the animation industry isn't aware of the fact that their talent is a highly eccentric bunch.

some artists are able to keep their fetishes from showing and creeping everyone out, unlike some people, who may or may not post in this thread

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

Crap posted:

workin' on a new character design



very good I like how you can see her fine robot rear end and titties at the same time though may I suggest a little constructive crit I think you could also work some labia in there and maybe some erect robo nips?

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

Elsa posted:

it was a two minute thing that ended up whatever it was going to be, so there's no issue. I just wanted to see something on the canvas this time. It is impossible for something to be wrong when there were no standards or goals to start with.

hm...no

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

Elsa posted:

you can dislike it. but if you start trying to say it's objectively wrong when it wasn't meant to be anything in particular, that is kind of pointless.

This is why people put paint up their rear end and poo poo onto a canvas, because people don't understand the concept of subjective versus objective art.

the point is, it's bad. you can say it's not bad because really what is bad but as far as rendering goes it's bad and people were trying to help you make it less bad

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?
boobs terrify me... *looks down at chest* OH OH GOD

EVERY TIME

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?
sometimes robots just want to wear high heels and have big tits

it's empowering

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?
I have no issues with porn I've edited porn comics for money and was in a gay porn comic anthology but there is a huge difference between good skillful porn and bad objectifying porn imo

erotica has always been a part of art. one of my focuses in school was symbolist art and there is a ton of that, but it was, you know, well drawn and had artistic merit

there's not much artistic merit to giant titty robots covered in jizz

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Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

Scribblehatch posted:

Two responses there:

- Did that happen?

- You're a person too.

what does this mean

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