VitalSigns posted:What? Who do you think was doing Jim Crow? What do you think the federal Civil Rights Act, or the Voting Rights Act were intended to do? Why do you think Supreme Court decisions like Loving v Virginia were necessary? Who do you think sent these soldiers, and do you think it was state or federal officials shutting down schools and blocking down doors to keep out the blacks? who the gently caress cares, the whole point is to remove the influence the shittier parts of the US have. I don't care if Alabama goes to hell, if you aren't actively planning to escape a region like that you're just a moron the bigot states are bigot states because they are filled with bigots, no amount of federal government is going to stop that. let them burn i would trade universal healthcare in vermont for gay marriage in mississippi
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:So all the underpowered minorities in the bigot states should basically be left behind? the federal government doesn't prevent mississippi from becoming less bigoted, it prevents vermont from instituting universal healthcare ultimately we live in a democracy and while it sucks that parts of our democracy are festering shitholes, we'd be better off jettisoning them as opposed to allowing the idiot electorate there to keep driving the country into the ground VitalSigns posted:That's cool, I'm going to support civil rights for me and my friends in Texas anyway though, good luck with your neo-confederate drivel. I will too, but I'm not going to cry over spilled milk when Texas votes to get shittier and gets shittier.
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Apr 22, 2015 17:17
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like I know gay people being able to be married everywhere is the end all be all of political goals but maybe, just maybe, some of the more progressive states would be better off without Texas' electorate influencing their policy
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Apr 22, 2015 17:20
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Nintendo Kid posted:Also because Vermonters themselves freaked out over it when push came to shove. bottom line is the federal government prevents progress in as many ways as it helps it, it just makes things slower Series DD Funding posted:Mississippi was forced into accepting interracial marriage and will be forced into accepting same-sex marriage soon. Vermont's UHC plan died because it was a single tiny state, not federal opposition. yes and we're all forced to pay a large amount of our money towards foreign wars that many states would not participate in had they been given the chance to decide for themselves Vermont's UHC plan died for a lot of reasons but opposition from the federal government was surely a factor again, we live in a democracy, if Texas votes to gently caress themselves over that's on them. I don't see why the more progressive states should have to adjust their policy because of the brainwashed conservative electorate thousands of miles away "because gay marriage" isn't really good enough for me, where a large chunk of the money I put into the federal government actively works against my wishes while the very lgbt rights we're supposedly fighting for are widely accepted here down with slavery fucked around with this message at 17:47 on Apr 22, 2015 |
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Apr 22, 2015 17:44
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Series DD Funding posted:Tell that to poor Southerners who can get health insurance now I guess? Or the ones who can't get fired from their jobs for being black and take literacy tests. Or just tell them FYGM instead, your call. I will happily tell that to poor southerners who can't get health insurance that they best wake up and smell the coffee and stop voting R because a a majority of poor southerners are still voting R We tell everywhere else in the world FYGM, I'd just rather not have Alabama's electorate influencing the policy where I live, where we don't vote like complete morons.
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Apr 22, 2015 17:55
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Nintendo Kid posted:Actually no, this is false as all hell. you're right, the federal government is the fast track to getting something done effectively and efficiently, like ensuring drug policy is reasonable, keeping an eye on those pesky financiers and continuing to murder foreign nationals see there's so many fewer stakeholders in the federal government it means the debates go way faster and policy decisions get made quickly let's not forget how much the federal government protects unions from attacks by state legislatures as well down with slavery fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Apr 22, 2015 |
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i don't put the fault at the feet of the federal government, i think it's the fault of the moronic electorate in the south continuing to support a backwards political party regardless of the consequences the federal government is hamstrung by those people and prevents progress, we'd be better off if our leaders didn't have to pander to those people in order to get elected I'm down for keeping the federation for the good states, I just want to cut out the lovely ones put it this way, if we kicked the american south out of the federation, we would already have federally mandated gay marriage
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Apr 22, 2015 18:25
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Series DD Funding posted:The people who are most affected aren't voting Romney. Look at the racial crosstabs. It doesn't change the fact that a majority of poor southerners (the group you mentioned) voted for the guy who wanted to prevent them from having healthcare. As far as racial groups go, my first advice to any minority living in the south would be to get the gently caress out as fast as possible. I understand that's not an option for everyone, but again, I don't think the poor here should have to suffer because the south will fight tooth and nail against social progress. If that's "gently caress your poor people, I'd rather help the guy I see homeless on the streets every day" then so be it. quote:Most of the war on drugs is state-level. Notice how the DEA is doing jack poo poo about Washington and Colorado? Stoked by the federal government over the past 30 years by the continued militarization of the police force (again, pushed by the feds) To act like the federal government isn't largely responsible for the war on drugs is pretty drat disingenuous. Scheduling laws? quote:An America without the South wouldn't be at war with al-qaeda? An America without the South probably wouldn't have invaded Iraq because the GOP would have never won in 2000. down with slavery fucked around with this message at 18:35 on Apr 22, 2015 |
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I would be way more interested in proper scheduling and research laws as opposed to "legalizing" anything in specific. The federal government prevents tons of legitimiate drug research across the country. MDMA is a great example actually, because it's shown a ton of promise as a therapy for PTSD.
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:I too am for the mass genocide of Americans well once we kick them out of the union they aren't really Americans any more and we have a long history of killing people from other places so no harm no foul as far as I see it
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Apr 22, 2015 19:56
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Popular Thug Drink posted:"get out of the south, minorities!" says an american who lives in a part of the country that has far less minorities than the south it's not the quantity, it's the quality
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Apr 22, 2015 22:01
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Popular Thug Drink posted:ah, so you're only interested in helping the good ones the ones who don't vote R are more than welcome
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Badger of Basra posted:There are no Southerner minorities voting R. Series DD Funding posted:95% of Alabaman black people voted for Obama. Again, they are welcome to come here, those are the good ones Popular Thug Drink posted:it's totally normal, and progressive, to hate an entire group of people because they don't think the way you think, and to accuse them of being racially intolerant despite living in far more diverse communities uhh I don't hate them I just think they are dumb and want them to stop influencing the policy where I live. it's not really much of an accusation when they openly support racist ideas
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Berke Negri posted:This is not a good distinction to make about black people just so you know. i wasn't just talking about black people just so you know corn in the bible posted:down with slavery, you're a stupid, bigoted racist piece of poo poo who doesnt know a drat thing about the north, the south, minorities, or in fact anything at all. i'm guessing you're probably a middle-class obese white man, who thinks that what he reads on the internet is the sum total of existence. i could be wrong, though -- maybe you're not obese. lol Popular Thug Drink posted:this is what hitler said about the jews hey woah there godwin im not saying we should kill anyone or kick anyone out, I'm saying we should cut the chaff that is the south because they aren't pulling their weight nice hitler name drop though, keeping it real for sure Popular Thug Drink posted:"if it werent for those mean old white southern racist, the united states would be a progressive utopia" -someone who never goes outside i'm not looking for a utopia, just an improvement, ie removing GOP dominated shitholes from the union
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Popular Thug Drink posted:so your big idea to save the union is to throw out over half of it yes, that's what I want them to do Nintendo Kid posted:Just saying but literal FEMA death camps for "bad people" would be a more practical and effective way to fix things than "the good ones can move to the nebulously defined Good Zones". Not that it's a high bar. well honestly anyone can move here, but they need to apply for citizenship before they can vote in our elections (if we're talking post-secession) pre-secession, yeah, if you're not trying to gtfo of the south actively you're making poor life decisions, sucks if you can't make it out but I'm not really interested in waiting for your state to catch up to the 21st century before I can do things like provide a decent healthcare system for the people here
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Popular Thug Drink posted:if you're advocating for a white enclave utopia that contains a smaller portion of the country's land and population, that makes you the racial secessionist hth i'm not, i don't know why you guys keep making it about race, also my union would probably be bigger than the people we kicked out, I'm down with states from Cali to NY, there's just a few bad apples we gotta get rid of it's really weird that you guys get all caught up on race, you realize there are more minorities outside of the south than inside of it, right?
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Popular Thug Drink posted:you did say you'd only allow the good blacks in no I didn't, I said the minorities that vote D are more than welcome to come Nintendo Kid posted:This is literal Nazi poo poo. also known as "how voting works in the rest of the world". it's not like you can move to the UK and vote in their election. You have to be a citizen to vote. did you miss the "post-secession" bit? a wee bit of selective quoting from the old fishmech
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Popular Thug Drink posted:i mean you can't really blame me for pointing out that you sound functionally the same as a west virginian coal miner in 1910 no honestly I expected a pretty reactionary response when I made the claim that the progressive states would be better off without the conservative ones Popular Thug Drink posted:what other limitations and restriction on minority behavior are you going to impose, while you're at it? no dancing out past 9
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Popular Thug Drink posted:thinking there are progressive and conservative states is about as retarded as thinking there are worthy and unworthy minorities So you're saying that you can't tell me whether Oregon or Mississippi is more progressive? Seems like a fruitful line of discussion. Nintendo Kid posted:No voting in the rest of the world doesn't involve randomly declaring chunks of your country no longer part of it and demanding everyone who didn't move reregister, you Nazi lunatic. Tell that to Sudan. Nintendo Kid posted:Uh, this is flat out moronic. There's way more advantage to be had by keeping the states and getting rid of the population. Why give up resources, ports, and infrastructure? No poo poo, this is a thread about breaking up the US, it's not a legitimate proposal.
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Nintendo Kid posted:Sudan's situation is all hosed up over it. You think that was a good outcome, really? No it's just the reality of when a country breaks up. You don't get to vote remotely. I never said it was a good outcome, it's just what happens when countries split up. See also: Yugoslavia quote:Nothing you have ever posted has been sane or legitimate. drat bro those are some really harsh words you've got there, maybe you'd like to throw down some sick memes or an image macro?
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Nintendo Kid posted:But the country isn't breaking up, your insane Hitlerian plan is to kick out a bunch of states without their consent in the hope of genocide. you've unmasked my true aims! bah, the jig is up paragon1 posted:Watch and be amazed as yet another mass migration of black people in the USA causes racist conservatives to magically reappear where they moved. ok now this is a legitimate argument, prolly sad but true
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Captain_Maclaine posted:In case you were wondering, down with slavery, this poster concurring with you is a more damning criticism of your lunatic ideas than anything anyone else could make. trust me, i know
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VitalSigns posted:Yada yada yada anyone too poor to evacuate New Orleans before Katrina is lazy and deserved it for their poor life decisions VitalSigns posted:That's because there are people outside of the South than in it. If you kicked out the South, the US would have a higher proportion of white people. why? im pretty sure montana, wyoming, idaho, wva, the dakotas are all getting kicked out and are all white dominated, it's not JUST the south (although theres a lotta states there that have to go) plus cali and nevada are welcome and there's plenty of non-whites there it's really not about race, it's about politics here's my dream union team: Hawaii, Alaska, Cali, Oregon, Washington, Colorado, Minnesota, Pennsylvania/Maryland and everything north of there. honestly we can probably afford to ditch the entire midwest (lets keep illinois though for chicago and the wheat- maybe Ohio if they can clean up their act) We'll even take some edge cases, like Utah and Wisconsin. Those are red states I can deal with. Also fyi I still want Puerto Rico, place balls fourth edit: I want Florida too, but we're instituting death panels first and killing everyone over the age of 55, should fix things up there quickly enough down with slavery fucked around with this message at 04:10 on Apr 23, 2015 |
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VitalSigns posted:
Actually let's just go ahead and make three countries. Give Florida back to spain as a gesture of good will
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paragon1 posted:We should do the opposite and get more states. Let's annex Canada and Mexico. This would also probably solve our problems fyi
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Pauline Kael posted:That's a fantastic strategy, post something fucktarded then claim it was done as fakepost, or ironically. What's next, you claim to be gay, or talk about Caramel Machiato? You do realize this is a thread about breaking up the United States into smaller entities right? The thread is basically a fakepost.
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