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Cliff Racer
Mar 24, 2007

by Lowtax
Oh no, Miiiiiiike. This one just got better and better as the episode rolled along.

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Cliff Racer
Mar 24, 2007

by Lowtax
To be fair, the characters look quite different (guess people look a bit different after 20 years.) Even their voice is a little different.

Cliff Racer
Mar 24, 2007

by Lowtax

Lumberjack Bonanza posted:

TTOI always seemed more true to reality, or at least what I can understand about the reality of British politics from what people tell me. Not that Veep isn't, but it describes a situation we've only gotten sort of close to in America.

TTOI always seemed more true to reality to me too, but that might be because I know less of the culture surrounding British politics than that which surrounds American politics. I also feel like it could be Ianucci's own political biases seeping through (which I felt happened on TTOI too, occasionally.) Specifically with regards to both the Tickel data leak and the data leak shown in this episode. In reality noone gives a gently caress about other people's personal privacy- these would both be non-issues. Same with the stuff that occurred during the climax of season 1 on Veep. Nobody gave a drat about that stuff for one thing and for another there's no way in hell a senator would open up an investigation into his own party's vice president two years out from an election unless there was actual serious criminal wrongdoing going on. And no, Dan lying about which way votes will turn out does not count. But then I also feel this may be HBO's fault, that they are pushing for there to be scandals and high stakes and other HBO poo poo when I always felt that TTOI worked best and was most truthful when it was politicians being forced to interact with the public.

I also feel that it might be a big mistake to have not really introduced any Republican analogues at all (aside from one scene with a couple of stereotypically evil hicks,) sure they might not be favored to win but if they do your entire cast has basically lost their jobs and you are SooL.

Cliff Racer
Mar 24, 2007

by Lowtax
I always took him to be the PM's enforcer (because thats what he was) so in that sense his clearest analogue was seasons one and two Jonah. Except competent, intelligent and with real power.

Cliff Racer
Mar 24, 2007

by Lowtax

Smashurbanipal posted:

Yeah, how on earth are you seeing Jonah as the "enforcer"?

Because he brought them news of what the president wanted them doing. In essence he was giving them orders on what to do in those episodes just like Malcolm was in TToI.

Cliff Racer
Mar 24, 2007

by Lowtax
I actually said she was acting like she was high to my friend. I was assuming that the episode would be about people thinking she was high when she really wasn't but that all went away pretty quickly.

Cliff Racer
Mar 24, 2007

by Lowtax
What a great episode, though I'm shocked that the primaries are apparently over already. Shocked that so many original cast members are out of her office now too.

Cliff Racer fucked around with this message at 05:09 on May 11, 2015

Cliff Racer
Mar 24, 2007

by Lowtax

zoux posted:

You may not know but that's Kiefer Sutherland's daughter.

Also, based on a GIS, she constantly looks like that in real life too, the poor thing.

Cliff Racer
Mar 24, 2007

by Lowtax

mr.capps posted:

That way we could have House be playing a charming nice version of Malcom Tucker.

We already have that, its Kent.

Cliff Racer
Mar 24, 2007

by Lowtax
I think Tom will drop a crazy bomb or at least a "politcally unacceptable" bomb in the next episode or two. His writing gives me the same vibe as the writing of that crazy fitness trainer from a season ago. Someone predicted that he'd turn out to be gay and that might be a possibility. But then again that might just float around in the same way as the drug stuff from two episodes ago.

Cliff Racer
Mar 24, 2007

by Lowtax
True, but the Thick of It was sort of forced to switch after Hugh's actor was caught kind of sort of maybe looking at child (teenager) pornography.

Cliff Racer
Mar 24, 2007

by Lowtax

Fetus Tree posted:

Hmm what are you trying to say exactly

That he was looking at pictures of a sixteen year old girl. His excuse was that he was researching a part he was going to play and it worked in court though obviously not in the court of public opinion.

Cliff Racer
Mar 24, 2007

by Lowtax
I think that the show has moved to be too much of a drama and not enough of a comedy. Making Selena president and then keeping her there was a mistake.

Cliff Racer
Mar 24, 2007

by Lowtax

Fetus Tree posted:

It's really cool how every single thing that happens in this show is compared to a different show, every week


this thread loving sucks and you all suck at posting about this show

Hey idiot, guess what, characters appearing at the TToI inquiry was announced in literally the exact same way (them being sworn in one by one as credits rolled.) This is because it was written by the same person. Its a deliberate call-back. There might be some less than great posts in this thread but yours is probably the worst of them.

Cliff Racer
Mar 24, 2007

by Lowtax

Hedrigall posted:

In the Loop is almost entirely unrelated. It just has Malcolm Tucker in it. Watch it after all of TToI.

To be honest, TToI only gets really good after the pedophile leaves the show.

But the best episode was the one where Hugh has his big speech about schools for special children.

Anyway, In the Loop can be watched whenever but I recommend watching it first and then doing TToI. Its not part of the same "universe" as TToI (and I don't think that either is in the same universe as Veep) so you won't get spoilered on anything despite it being made halfway through with a lot of the same characters. Be careful though there was a hugely important set of episodes called the "specials" that isn't technically a season but does take place between two of the seasons. If you don't watch them you'll have a whole bunch of characters who you never met running around and might get a little confused. Also, they are very funny in their own right so there is that too.

Cliff Racer
Mar 24, 2007

by Lowtax
Well that wasn't all that funny or interesting until the last five minutes. Disappointment was highest when the Jonad file had only like one really funny zinger. Guyscraper.

Cliff Racer
Mar 24, 2007

by Lowtax
It makes sense except, as far as I can tell, there is no legal precedent for it. I think literally everyone'd be calling bullshit, were it to happen. A friend of mine was wondering if they'd got he 269/269 route for the electoral college result, which I find to be more plausible but still unlikely.

Cliff Racer
Mar 24, 2007

by Lowtax

PostNouveau posted:

Yeah, it's kinda dumb that there's an even number of electoral votes. There's even plausible scenarios for it happening.



I wish they went with this map over one that had the retardation of Minnesota going Republican while Wisconsin remained Democratic. No wonder not-Nate Silver was flipping out.

That said, as unlikely as a tie occurring would be, the thought that there would also be a tie in the house delegation count is just dumb. If its close enough to be tied at the electoral level then it is hard to imagine the Republicans not having a majority of state delegations.

Sorry for letting real life get in the way of TV land but when TV land includes fake CNN broadcasts its sort of asking for it.

edit: Except they couldn't go with that map, due to redistricting. Hmm. Romney plus FL, OH, IA, WI would do it.

Cliff Racer fucked around with this message at 04:41 on Jun 16, 2015

Cliff Racer
Mar 24, 2007

by Lowtax

Hedrigall posted:

Is this the first episode which (kinda) revealed what party Meyer is in?

All her states were blue on the electoral map, so she's a Democrat. Unless it's supposed to be a parallel America where the parties are something made up, like in the Danish show Borgen.

She's been implied to be a Democrat since day 1, they just never said the party names for some reason just like in the previous show which we aren't allowed to talk about in this thread according to that one guy.

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Cliff Racer
Mar 24, 2007

by Lowtax
I was mocking the one guy who was telling everyone not to discuss TTOI or compare Veep events to similar things which happened in it.

Lycus posted:

They clearly felt that they did enough episodes about the primary, basically.

They actually did this "have important things happen off camera" tactic all throughout this season and the one that preceded it. I find it to be a negative trait of the show but one that had to happen if Selena was made president. Once again, Selena should not have became president.

What I got out of it was that she made a mess of her early campaign because she isn't good at campaigning but won anyway because A) she is the president and B) she was actually doing a good job as president (The I/P and Iran agreements.)

Cliff Racer fucked around with this message at 16:46 on Jun 21, 2015

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