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chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

ArclightBorealis posted:

Considering I played the game in the winter of 2009 or so, a lot of the weird poo poo that people talked about with MGS I had absorbed through osmosis and pretty much knew what was required with the "code on the back of the case" deal.

Funny thing, the reason for why I started playing the game then was that I was taking Biology in high school and we were talking about genetics, and like everything else in this series, the theme of "genes" in MGS1 was something I had heard about and decided to give it a shot based on that. Was especially hilarious when Liquid started talking it up near the end despite getting the idea of dominant and recessive genes loving wrong.

But hey, could have been worse. I could have played Parasite Eve instead...

Well, Liquid was always supposed to have a really lovely idea of genes. He's basically basing his entire world view and evil plot on having no clue how science works and I guess nobody having the balls to tell him that he read the book upside-down.

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Danaru
Jun 5, 2012

何 ??

Demicol posted:

I had to look up online what the frequency was when I first played, I think I tried calling everyone and couldn't figure out how to get it, not sure if they mention the cd-case.

I think if you call Campbell enough times (like, five or six) he'll eventually tell you her frequency, in case you lost the case or something. And he claims he's telling us everything he knows. :argh:


chitoryu12 posted:

Well, Liquid was always supposed to have a really lovely idea of genes. He's basically basing his entire world view and evil plot on having no clue how science works and I guess nobody having the balls to tell him that he read the book upside-down.

I remember reading that Kojima claims that Liquid's ignorance about genes is a character flaw. I have a feeling Kojima failed high school biology and no one thought to argue with him.

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

Reach for the moon!
I choose to believe Kojima had Liquid think that genes are just a good/bad switch because it's easier to explain to the player that way. I mean, could you imagine if there was a second 20 minute stock footage filled cutscene in the span of like an hour and a half of gameplay? That won't happen until at LEAST MGS4!

(Also, Dan, I stole your drinking game for my own LP's bonus feature, I'm sorry but it was for the best worst)

inthesto
May 12, 2010

Pro is an amazing name!
I played the demo for MGS1 when I was 12 or 13 years old. Being the clever devil that I was, I kept using the cigarettes, thinking there would be some kind of easter egg if I somehow killed myself with them.

You can guess how that went.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

CJacobs posted:

I choose to believe Kojima had Liquid think that genes are just a good/bad switch because it's easier to explain to the player that way. I mean, could you imagine if there was a second 20 minute stock footage filled cutscene in the span of like an hour and a half of gameplay? That won't happen until at LEAST MGS4!

(Also, Dan, I stole your drinking game for my own LP's bonus feature, I'm sorry but it was for the best worst)

MGS4 is basically a single drinking game.

Choco1980
Feb 22, 2013

I fell in love with a Video Nasty

inthesto posted:

I played the demo for MGS1 when I was 12 or 13 years old. Being the clever devil that I was, I kept using the cigarettes, thinking there would be some kind of easter egg if I somehow killed myself with them.

You can guess how that went.

Well, they DO have a couple uses, but only as makeshifts if you don't have better items for it. If you smoke while standing near lasers, the smoke refracts the beams and makes them temporarily visible (this is used much more in Metal Gear 1 and 2, and the MGS Game Boy game). Also, iirc, don't they also calm your nerves in sniper mode a little, but not as much as the pills?

Danaru
Jun 5, 2012

何 ??

CJacobs posted:

(Also, Dan, I stole your drinking game for my own LP's bonus feature, I'm sorry but it was for the best worst)

I hoisted the general idea from Kuvo and the Tipping 40s guys anyway, plus despite it tasting like purestrain rear end, it makes playing pretty much any game more fun :v: I sort of did a drinking game with Sonic 06, except the game was I drank until it stopped hurting hurt less. I don't think I did a single sonic episode sober.

Also the next episode is going to make me look like a huge lightweight :(


Choco1980 posted:

Well, they DO have a couple uses, but only as makeshifts if you don't have better items for it. If you smoke while standing near lasers, the smoke refracts the beams and makes them temporarily visible (this is used much more in Metal Gear 1 and 2, and the MGS Game Boy game). Also, iirc, don't they also calm your nerves in sniper mode a little, but not as much as the pills?

I remember them being SUPER useful in MGS4 because taking a smoke break did wonders for Snake's psyche.

I don't remember the cigar having any use in MGS3 aside from leeches.

ChaosArgate
Oct 10, 2012

Why does everyone think I'm going to get in trouble?

Danaru posted:

I don't remember the cigar having any use in MGS3 aside from leeches.

There are a few uses.

You can use it when you're in the dark for a makeshift light until your eyes adjust or you find an actual source of light and you can use it as bee repellant.

Choco1980
Feb 22, 2013

I fell in love with a Video Nasty

ChaosArgate posted:

There are a few uses.

You can use it when you're in the dark for a makeshift light until your eyes adjust or you find an actual source of light and you can use it as bee repellant.

I love how those would all work perfectly well in the real world too.

Danaru
Jun 5, 2012

何 ??

ChaosArgate posted:


you can use it as bee repellant
.

I legitimately wouldn't have even thought of that. The MGS games in general have a lot of obscure hidden stuff, but MGS3 really surpasses the others in that regard.

And most other regards, actually.

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



chitoryu12 posted:

Well, Liquid was always supposed to have a really lovely idea of genes. He's basically basing his entire world view and evil plot on having no clue how science works and I guess nobody having the balls to tell him that he read the book upside-down.

Well, since we can talk about spoilers here, it's all Ocelot's fault, naturally. MGS2 reveals he was sent there just to provoke Liquid.

It's the only logical explanation for the fact Liquid still keeps thinking he's the inferior one in spite of constant proof to the contrary.
Ocelot: "What's that, Boss? You survived a HIND-D crash that totally would have killed Solid Snake? Well...you're still the inferior one! These Super Secret Documents I have say so! No, you can't look at them. You gotta go fight your vastly superior brother."

Also this is some amazing luck on my part. I just got into an MGS Mood after noticing it was just after April 30th. I search LP forum for Metal Gear and immediately find this thread. I have really good luck with this sort of thing it seems.

I will be eagerly following this every thread step of the way. MGS2 is my favorite but I think MGS1 is the best game overall.

Choco1980
Feb 22, 2013

I fell in love with a Video Nasty

Danaru posted:

I legitimately wouldn't have even thought of that. The MGS games in general have a lot of obscure hidden stuff, but MGS3 really surpasses the others in that regard.

And most other regards, actually.

I think my favorite bit is the conversation you can have after you first eat a phosphorescent mushroom to charge your batteries. Para-Medic's all "Wait, that makes zero sense according to physics" and Snake's all "I unno, just works."

That, or Signit's Metal Gear Poopy nightmare.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

NikkolasKing posted:

I will be eagerly following this every thread step of the way. MGS2 is my favorite but I think MGS1 is the best game overall.

That's a funny way to spell MGS3.

GenderSelectScreen
Mar 7, 2010

I DON'T KNOW EITHER DON'T ASK ME
College Slice
It's weird realizing that the DARPA Chief is Signit.

Danaru
Jun 5, 2012

何 ??

Hitlers Gay Secret posted:

It's weird realizing that the DARPA Chief is Signit.

Alternate box art for MGS4

Wanamingo
Feb 22, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

Danaru posted:

-The line Ocelot was saying before I shot him in the rear end was "I love to reload during a battle, There's nothing like the feeling of slamming a long silver bullet into a well greased chamber". If it weren't for the torture fetish and the implied rapes, Ocelot would easily be my favourite character.

I don't know about any implied rape, but Ocelot is the best character by far and the fact that he's a gay sadist only makes him better.


Also, can we vote on the beers that you have to drink?

DeathChicken
Jul 9, 2012

Nonsense. I have not yet begun to defile myself.

He's not gay, he's just Big Bossexual. And who can blame the man? :colbert:

Judge Tesla
Oct 29, 2011

:frogsiren:
What on earth accent is Naomi pulling in this game, it sounds like a poor attempt at a British accent, I hadn't played this one until Twin Snakes on Gamecube so to hear her original voice is just really weird.

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

Reach for the moon!
She's doing that voice that you see people do in TV or movies where they are an American character, but they are doing this posh English accent that makes them sound either smarter or more refined depending on the genre of the show. I don't remember if Naomi actually is English or not. Usually it's reserved for characters who are jerks or knowledgeable mentor type people. And sometimes, uh, the bad guy. I'm pretty sure the accent is gone in Twin Snakes.

Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

All the funny accents are gone in Twin Snakes.

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

Reach for the moon!
Which frankly is a shame.

Vapor Moon
Feb 24, 2010

Neato!
The Human Font

CJacobs posted:

I don't remember if Naomi actually is English or not.

Naomi was born in Rhodesia.
Rhodesia was British run so that's why she had an English accent in MGS1.

Edit: Yes this was a real country.

Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

It's Zimbabwe now, just to save people the time.

gregory
Jun 8, 2013

METAL GEAR!

Dabir posted:

It's Zimbabwe now, just to save people the time.

I should really just finish reading the comments before opening Google.

MichaelGreyFox
Jan 18, 2015

A E S T H E T I C S

Dabir posted:

All the funny accents are gone in Twin Snakes.

The good thing is Twin Snakes makes up for the lack of accents in spades with various cutscene stupidity

Danaru
Jun 5, 2012

何 ??


:siren:Let's Play Metal Gear Solid Episode 3 - Drunk Canadian History :siren:

Here's the episode where I look like a light weight, and everyone realizes I'm actually really bad at Metal Gear :frog:

Fun facts for this episode:

-Raven is Inuit. loving durr.
-Sioux actually does mean "Little Snake" or "Treacherous Snake". Raven is actually really smart and most of the poo poo he says is true, despite being cryptic and wierd.
-I got grenades last episode, but then fell down a pit and forgot to go get them again.
-If you see me running around like an rear end in a top hat after an alert, I'm trying to take my drink without pausing because that's lame.
-We both have the maturity of a first grader, and as such will be giggling every time Deepthroat is mentioned.
-Meryl tells us exactly where the Nikita is, but we were STILL giggling about the name "Deepthroat"

Danaru fucked around with this message at 16:59 on May 6, 2015

Rigged Death Trap
Feb 13, 2012

BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP

What was that beer anyways?
Because drat were you retching like a mofo.


Didnt see that second post.


Now that you tried on never have an IPA again.

Rigged Death Trap fucked around with this message at 17:23 on May 6, 2015

gregory
Jun 8, 2013

METAL GEAR!
"Sumannics semantics." --Danaru 2015

You are all over the drunken-personality spectrum by the end of this update, and it is beautiful.

Seraphic Neoman
Jul 19, 2011


Oh this was not a good episode for your liver.

Nyagato
Apr 6, 2009
It's great how Meryl straight out tells you where the Nikita is and both of you are still like "cambel help!".

pointlessone
Aug 6, 2001

The Triad Frog is pleased with this custom title purchase.

Dabir posted:

All the funny accents are gone in Twin Snakes.

I wish someone would rip all the voice data from the psx version and put it into the twin snakes version, (which is the better version, if only for the card shortcuts at the end that remove a huge amount of back tracking.)

Metal Gear Solid: Retrotacon

Danaru
Jun 5, 2012

何 ??

Nyagato posted:

It's great how Meryl straight out tells you where the Nikita is and both of you are still like "cambel help!".

I actually sent Grace this image the day after we recorded. My shame is great.

gregory posted:

"Sumannics semantics." --Danaru 2015

You are all over the drunken-personality spectrum by the end of this update, and it is beautiful.

I get progressively more stream-of-conciousness the more I drink. Also my laugh gets way goofier, which I never noticed until editing this episode.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer
I do feel I have to ask: what's the point of drinking beer if you don't like hops?

Danaru
Jun 5, 2012

何 ??

anilEhilated posted:

I do feel I have to ask: what's the point of drinking beer if you don't like hops?

Mainly because I want to try new stuff, there are a couple beers I liked, and a few I could tolerate. I figure I might stumble onto something good.

Plus I like getting buzzed, worst case scenario is I drink some lovely beer and still have fun :v:

MichaelGreyFox
Jan 18, 2015

A E S T H E T I C S

Danaru posted:

Mainly because I want to try new stuff, there are a couple beers I liked, and a few I could tolerate. I figure I might stumble onto something good.

Plus I like getting buzzed, worst case scenario is I drink some lovely beer and still have fun :v:

as far as beers go, I have to say Blue Moon's cinnamon horchata ale is pretty bangin. I'm not a beer guy personally, but I could chug this stuff all day.

Usually I turn to vodka or tequila when I want to drink

GenderSelectScreen
Mar 7, 2010

I DON'T KNOW EITHER DON'T ASK ME
College Slice
I usually drink IPAs.

But whiskey is what I go for when I want to get hammered.

Rigged Death Trap
Feb 13, 2012

BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP

MichaelGreyFox posted:

as far as beers go, I have to say Blue Moon's cinnamon horchata ale is pretty bangin. I'm not a beer guy personally, but I could chug this stuff all day.

Usually I turn to vodka or tequila when I want to drink

Oh wow that's..yeah Not sure you can call that beer anymore.
It sounds more akin to that overly sugared flavored ciders.

Choco1980
Feb 22, 2013

I fell in love with a Video Nasty
Considering Deep Throat was named such deliberately after the hugely popular porno out at the time (seriously, Deep Throat is probably the most successful porn of all time, doing better money than most Hollywood films that year) I think it's okay to giggle at it, because at the end of the day it's a pun (DEEP cover) based on blowjobs.

Also, Deep Throat is a weird movie. Not as out there as other mainstream at the time porn like Devil in Miss Jones or anything, but a movie about a woman born mutated so she has a clit in her throat is pretty weird still. Also it feels scummy to even think about its popularity because years later the star, Linda Lovelace, claims she was forced to do the film (sometimes at gunpoint!) by her husband who got all her money, and considers the film to be her getting raped multiple times.

Danaru
Jun 5, 2012

何 ??

Choco1980 posted:

Considering Deep Throat was named such deliberately after the hugely popular porno out at the time (seriously, Deep Throat is probably the most successful porn of all time, doing better money than most Hollywood films that year) I think it's okay to giggle at it, because at the end of the day it's a pun (DEEP cover) based on blowjobs.

Also, Deep Throat is a weird movie. Not as out there as other mainstream at the time porn like Devil in Miss Jones or anything, but a movie about a woman born mutated so she has a clit in her throat is pretty weird still. Also it feels scummy to even think about its popularity because years later the star, Linda Lovelace, claims she was forced to do the film (sometimes at gunpoint!) by her husband who got all her money, and considers the film to be her getting raped multiple times.

Holy gently caress that was a wild ride from start to finish :magical: I thought the sex term coming from an informant's codename was the wierdest possible origin.

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CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

Reach for the moon!

Choco1980 posted:

Considering Deep Throat was named such deliberately after the hugely popular porno out at the time (seriously, Deep Throat is probably the most successful porn of all time, doing better money than most Hollywood films that year) I think it's okay to giggle at it, because at the end of the day it's a pun (DEEP cover) based on blowjobs.

Also, Deep Throat is a weird movie. Not as out there as other mainstream at the time porn like Devil in Miss Jones or anything, but a movie about a woman born mutated so she has a clit in her throat is pretty weird still. Also it feels scummy to even think about its popularity because years later the star, Linda Lovelace, claims she was forced to do the film (sometimes at gunpoint!) by her husband who got all her money, and considers the film to be her getting raped multiple times.

All this time I thought its first use was in the watergate scandal :stonk:

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