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How are you going to vote on May 7th?
This poll is closed.
Conservative 72 6.22%
Labour 410 35.41%
Liberal Democrat 46 3.97%
UKIP 69 5.96%
Green 199 17.18%
SNP 121 10.45%
DUP 0 0%
Sinn Fein 35 3.02%
Plaid Cymru 20 1.73%
Respect 3 0.26%
Monster Raving Loony 56 4.84%
BNP 23 1.99%
Some flavour of socialist party 37 3.20%
Some flavour of communist party 27 2.33%
Independent 3 0.26%
Other 37 3.20%
Total: 1158 votes
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hyper from Pixie Sticks
Sep 28, 2004

Coohoolin posted:

I hope you fall out your plane and drown in the channel.
Was that not Glenn Miliband?

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The Supreme Court
Feb 25, 2010

Pirate World: Nearly done!

KKKlean Energy posted:

I need some bullshit bingo phrases to drink to when watching non-stop BBC news coverage on election night. What's the best terms to look out for?

Drink when you see/ hear:
* new BBC ridiculous graphics
* "long term economic plan"
* a Scottish Labour seat fall to the SNP
* "the battle between Labour and Conservatives is too close to call"
* constituency footage of an incumbent candidate failing re-election live on stage
* Ed Miliband looking vaguely personable
* "hard-working families"
* the BBC making dull footage exciting with a fade to grey and interspersed graphics
* Jeremy Vine points to the wrong bit of the absurd graphics behind him

Drink continuously throughout footage of:
* Nigel's gurning face
* the green party (I think we're safe here)
* the BBC's chosen metaphor for the entire event getting tortured to breaking point

Down your drink when:
* Nick Clegg loses his seat
* Nigel Farage fails/ gets elected
* George Osbourne cries

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead

Jose posted:

Who's going to replace Clegg as Lib-dem leader if he loses his seat?

Tim Farron, possibly.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

big scary monsters posted:

Anybody got a link to the 2010 general election thread in LF? It'd be interesting to see how the poll of votes in there compares to this one. Lots more Lib Dems I suspect.

The gbs thread was full of libdem voting goons who wouldn't be told.

Mega Comrade
Apr 22, 2004

Listen buddy, we all got problems!

Jose posted:

Who's going to replace Clegg as Lib-dem leader if he loses his seat?

Probably Cable temporarily until they can get a leader vote together. To be honest it would be the best outcome for the Lib dems, I don't think the party can heal until Clegg is gone. He's not solely responsible for the Lib Dems current failings but he certainly is the face of them and I would never consider voting for them again while he is still leader. They need to start clawing back the trust of their voters before the next local election.

Fans
Jun 27, 2013

A reptile dysfunction

KKKlean Energy posted:

I need some bullshit bingo phrases to drink to when watching non-stop BBC news coverage on election night. What's the best terms to look out for?

"It's too early to say..."

"It's anyone's game..."

"It's unclear at this time.."

"We don't know..."

And all those other phrases that tell you that you should probably stop watching the news.

dispatch_async
Nov 28, 2014

Imagine having the time to have played through 20 generations of one family in The Sims 2. Imagine making the original two members of that family Neil Buchanan and Cat Deeley. Imagine complaining to Maxis there was no technological progression. You've successfully imagined my life
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...st-nigel-farage

quote:

Police have been monitoring the political activities of a candidate while he has been seeking to be elected to parliament.

Ian Driver is standing for the Green party in the Kent constituency of South Thanet which the Ukip leader, Nigel Farage, is hoping to win next Thursday.

Official documents show that police have been monitoring Driver’s political activities since at least June 2011, recording his appearances at public meetings and demonstrations.

One of the entries notes that Driver is a “Green party councillor and parliamentary candidate for South Thanet”.

The records on Driver, 49, have been stored in a secretive database set up by police to track campaigners deemed to be “domestic extremists”.

The publication of the records comes as there are mounting questions over the police’s monitoring of elected politicians.

Driver said the monitoring of his “entirely lawful protest” was “highly inappropriate”, as the police knew that he was a parliamentary candidate and a councillor. He added that it “could impact on my rights as candidate in an election to speak openly and frankly on policy matters”.

Driver, who has no criminal record, was selected in January last year by the Green party to contest South Thanet. That month, police logged that he was one of the people at a protest outside a Margate hotel where Farage was addressing his supporters.

quote:

Jenny Jones, the Green party peer, discovered that police kept a log of her political movements for 11 years while she sat on the official committee scrutinising the Metropolitan police and stood to be London’s mayor.

XMNN
Apr 26, 2008
I am incredibly stupid

Mega Comrade posted:

Probably Cable temporarily until they can get a leader vote together. To be honest it would be the best outcome for the Lib dems, I don't think the party can heal until Clegg is gone. He's not solely responsible for the Lib Dems current failings but he certainly is the face of them and I would never consider voting for them again while he is still leader. They need to start clawing back the trust of their voters before the next local election.
Yeah, and it would make a potential Lib-Lab coalition way more palatable, it will probably be the silver lining to their great huge storm cloud.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
"No new developments..."

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009

Pesky Splinter posted:

Some links to the party Pack'a'lies Manifestos:

Conservative
Labour
Lib-dems

UKIP
Greens
SNP - Scotland only
DUP - Northern, & Republic of Ireland only
Sinn Féin - Northern, & Republic of Ireland only
Plaid Cymru - Wales only

Couldn't find a manifesto for Respect, but it's George Galloway, so who gives a gently caress..
Monster Raving Loony Party

In a rush, so that's leaving out some of the lesser known parties, but the BBC has a handy guide, with links.

Britain's Road to Socialism :ussr:
Communist Party of Britain Manifesto

The state must be destroyed.

communism bitch fucked around with this message at 12:45 on May 1, 2015

Junkenstein
Oct 22, 2003

Only just found out that my move of about 200m last year took me out of Cardiff Central and into Cardiff North, so not only do I not get the satisfaction of not voting for the Lib Dems after three general elections of doing so, I also have no option but to vote Labour since it's a very tight Lab-Con marginal.

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.

The Supreme Court posted:

Drink when you see/ hear:
* new BBC ridiculous graphics
* "long term economic plan"
* a Scottish Labour seat fall to the SNP
* "the battle between Labour and Conservatives is too close to call"
* constituency footage of an incumbent candidate failing re-election live on stage
* Ed Miliband looking vaguely personable
* "hard-working families"
* the BBC making dull footage exciting with a fade to grey and interspersed graphics
* Jeremy Vine points to the wrong bit of the absurd graphics behind him

Drink continuously throughout footage of:
* Nigel's gurning face
* the green party (I think we're safe here)
* the BBC's chosen metaphor for the entire event getting tortured to breaking point

Down your drink when:
* Nick Clegg loses his seat
* Nigel Farage fails/ gets elected
* George Osbourne cries

Put this in the OP.

Mega Comrade
Apr 22, 2004

Listen buddy, we all got problems!
I'm confused over why the internet is in shock that many of the 'undecided voters' during question time have turned out to be party members/supporters pretending. I did enjoy when one of them said 'we' in error when referring to the tories though.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Is Miliband really enough of a loving idiot that he wouldn't try to form a government if he had to rely on SNP votes to pass his queen's speech? Because that seemed to be what he was saying.

Acaila
Jan 2, 2011



forkboy84 posted:

The Scottish Greens have their own manifesto here


Alistair Carmichael will keep his seat, fear not. Paddy Power have Tim Farron as favourite though at 8/11. Next is Norman Lamb at 5/1 & then Ed Davey & Vince Cable at 7/1.

Anyway, probably going to vote for the Greens. SNP seem like they are going to win around here, and I'm not going to vote for a party that Rupert Murdoch endorses. Besides, they don't need my vote to knock off Danny Alexander.

Ed Davey is the perfectly named candidate considering the Lib dems and their Goldilocks act of trying to be exactly between the Tories and Labour.

Benjamin Arthur
Nov 7, 2012

marktheando posted:

Is Miliband really enough of a loving idiot that he wouldn't try to form a government if he had to rely on SNP votes to pass his queen's speech? Because that seemed to be what he was saying.

He's banking on the SNP voting to support a minority Labour government anyway without any deals, as not doing so is effectively letting the Tories in.

shas
Jul 27, 2011

driveby post asking whether I should have received my poll card by now

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

marktheando posted:

Is Miliband really enough of a loving idiot that he wouldn't try to form a government if he had to rely on SNP votes to pass his queen's speech? Because that seemed to be what he was saying.

That's what he wanted to seem like he's saying, but he was talking about explicit deals. The idea is he wants Labour to form a government without any real give and take with the SNP, so Labour can do what they want and the others just back them as the best option

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

marktheando posted:

Is Miliband really enough of a loving idiot that he wouldn't try to form a government if he had to rely on SNP votes to pass his queen's speech? Because that seemed to be what he was saying.

No he's saying he'll form a minority Labour government and its up to the SNP if they vote with it or against it.

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009

shas posted:

driveby post asking whether I should have received my poll card by now

Yeah you should. Mine came a few weeks ago.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Well that's what I thought, but the headline on the Scotsman today was something along the lines of he'd rather have a tory government than rely on the SNP.

Either way he has been incredibly unclear on this issue and he's managed to leave himself wide open to criticism from all sides no matter what he does after the election.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames
If the SNP vote with the Tories against a minority Labour government then that leaves them open to even more criticism. They won't do it.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
I wonder if labour will stick to their austerity plans if they get in and only talk about it because they know that due to the political climate they have to

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Oberleutnant posted:

Yeah you should. Mine came a few weeks ago.

Mine only arrived yesterday. It doesn't matter if you don't get it so long as you know where your polling station is, though. Just turn up with proof of address and identity and you'll get your ballot.

Benjamin Arthur
Nov 7, 2012

marktheando posted:

Well that's what I thought, but the headline on the Scotsman today was something along the lines of he'd rather have a tory government than rely on the SNP.

Either way he has been incredibly unclear on this issue and he's managed to leave himself wide open to criticism from all sides no matter what he does after the election.

He sort of has to be. Both parties are still campaigning for majorities as a point of principle even though they look impossible to actually achieve and Labour in Scotland are trying to frame the choice as kicking out the Tories v Scottish nationalism, admitting Labour would do a coalition with the SNP basically invites Scottish voters to have their cake and eat it too with a SNP vote.

XMNN
Apr 26, 2008
I am incredibly stupid
How does forming a minority government actually work? If it's not immediately obvious who has more support in the Commons who gets the first crack at trying to form a government? Or do we get a Westminster ministry and a schismatic Antiprimeminister in York?

XMNN fucked around with this message at 13:28 on May 1, 2015

Pesmerga
Aug 1, 2005

So nice to eat you
I think Clegg will keep his seat. :smith:

sebzilla
Mar 17, 2009

Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.


Still not quite decided between Green and TUSC, probably leaning towards the former since they might beat LD into third which would be fun.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

XMNN posted:

How does forming a minority government actually work? If it's not immediately obvious who has more support in the Commons who gets the first crack at trying to form a government? Or do we get a Westminster ministry and a schismatic Antiprimeminister in York?

Here's the manual.

Lugaloco
Jun 29, 2011

Ice to see you!

XMNN posted:

How does forming a minority government actually work? If it's not immediately obvious who has more support in the Commons who gets the first crack at trying to form a government? Or do we get a Westminster ministry and a schismatic Antiprimeminister in York?

If no one party can command a majority then I think the incumbent has the first shot at forming a new government. If they can't do it then others have a chance.

HorseLord
Aug 26, 2014
Happy mayday



communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009

HorseLord posted:

Happy mayday





This is the Communist Party that's run by a millionaire landlord. :whitewater:

(But happy Mayday to all of my fellow workers and peasants)

HorseLord
Aug 26, 2014
He doesn't really "run" it so much as occasionally show up to stutter out a speech.

CPGB-ML is great in that even central committee people think it's methods are poo poo

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Why do the communists have a picture of Stalin?

Groucho Marx would be more appropriate.

Igiari
Sep 14, 2007

HorseLord posted:

Happy mayday






I looked up from my lunch to see the hammer and sickle flags going by, I thought the revolution was here at last. A card about an anti war talk is a good consolation prize.

Thanks for the Marx Library links, oberleutnant, I was thinking of doing that when it starts up again. I've got David Harvey's Capital companion, and finished volume 1.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Benjamin Arthur posted:

He sort of has to be. Both parties are still campaigning for majorities as a point of principle even though they look impossible to actually achieve and Labour in Scotland are trying to frame the choice as kicking out the Tories v Scottish nationalism, admitting Labour would do a coalition with the SNP basically invites Scottish voters to have their cake and eat it too with a SNP vote.

Well it wouldn't even be a coalition, just be the SNP voting against a tory queen's speech and for a labour one, and hopefully some concessions in return for voting for whatever terrible legislation Labour come up with in the future. It's not in the SNP's interests to be formally tied to a probably lovely centre right Labour government.

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.
Ahaha NUS Scotland are so much better it's ridiculous.

https://www.facebook.com/alasdair.clark.90/videos/1631716943722808/

hookerbot 5000
Dec 21, 2009

marktheando posted:

Well it wouldn't even be a coalition, just be the SNP voting against a tory queen's speech and for a labour one, and hopefully some concessions in return for voting for whatever terrible legislation Labour come up with in the future. It's not in the SNP's interests to be formally tied to a probably lovely centre right Labour government.

The trouble is that every single time the SNP votes the same way as Labour the newspapers are going to be yelling 'conspiracy!!!' at the top of their voices even when they are voting on stuff they obviously just independently agree on..

This is so poo poo. A week ago I was pretty optimistic about the election but now I'm convinced we're in for 5 more years of the Tories. By 2020 we'll be left with the tattered remains of a national health service, social housing that is basically a ghetto and the BBC will probably be sponsored by Fox. Why are they so desperate to ruin the few things left that make the UK good.

coffeetable
Feb 5, 2006

TELL ME AGAIN HOW GREAT BRITAIN WOULD BE IF IT WAS RULED BY THE MERCILESS JACKBOOT OF PRINCE CHARLES

YES I DO TALK TO PLANTS ACTUALLY
unironically surprising

quote:

Nicola Sturgeon says the SNP is in favour of PR for Westminster. They have it in Edinburgh, she says, and the SNP would vote for PR for Westminster elections too.

though i suppose it's a safe thing to say seeing as it's never going to happen

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Whitefish
May 31, 2005

After the old god has been assassinated, I am ready to rule the waves.

XMNN posted:

How does forming a minority government actually work? If it's not immediately obvious who has more support in the Commons who gets the first crack at trying to form a government? Or do we get a Westminster ministry and a schismatic Antiprimeminister in York?

By convention, Cameron must resign as soon as it becomes apparent that he has lost the confidence of the House of Commons. That means he has a chance to try and piece together a coalition of some kind in order to achieve a majority in the Commons, but if he cannot do that he must resign. Barring an unexpected turn of events, this means that Cameron must resign unless the Tories, Lib Dems, UKIP and DUP collectively hold a majority of seats in the House of Commons.

At that point, the person who is in the best position to command the confidence of the House of Commons will be appointed Prime Minister. Barring an unexpected turn of events, this will be Ed Miliband.

This means that the following scenario is possible:

Tories are the largest party but cannot achieve a majority individually or by arrangement with other parties. Cameron therefore resigns. Miliband is appointed and chooses to govern as the leader of a minority government. He can do this even though the Tories are the largest party.

Here's Carl Gardner's explanation: http://www.headoflegal.com/2015/04/19/ed-can-enter-no-10-without-nicolas-keys/

Whitefish fucked around with this message at 14:09 on May 1, 2015

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