UKMT May 2015: The Ed Wedding

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How are you going to vote on May 7th? This poll is closed.
Conservative	72	6.22%
Labour	410	35.41%
Liberal Democrat	46	3.97%
UKIP	69	5.96%
Green	199	17.18%
SNP	121	10.45%
DUP	0	0%
Sinn Fein	35	3.02%
Plaid Cymru	20	1.73%
Respect	3	0.26%
Monster Raving Loony	56	4.84%
BNP	23	1.99%
Some flavour of socialist party	37	3.20%
Some flavour of communist party	27	2.33%
Independent	3	0.26%
Other	37	3.20%
Total:	1158 votes

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Cat Machine: Jun 18, 2008

coffeetable posted:

unironically surprising

though i suppose it's a safe thing to say seeing as it's never going to happen

They were pro-AV in 2011.

# ? May 1, 2015 14:07

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# ? May 5, 2024 15:19

SNAKES N CAKES: Sep 6, 2005; DAVID GAIDER
Lead Writer

BREAKING: GUARDIAN ENDORSES LABOUR, CATS AND DOGS COHABITATING

quote:

Five years ago, Labour was exhausted and conflicted, amid disenchantment over war, recession and Gordon Brown�s leadership. The country was ready for a change, one we hoped would see a greatly strengthened Liberal Democrat presence in parliament combine with the core Labour tradition to reform politics after the expenses scandal. That did not happen. Instead the Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats have governed together for five difficult years.

That experiment has clearly run its course. The outgoing government proved that coalitions can function, which is important, and it can be proud of its achievements on equal marriage and foreign aid. But its record, as our recent series of editorials on detailed themes has shown, is dominated by an initial decision to pursue a needless and disastrous fiscal rigidity. That turned into a moral failure, by insisting on making the neediest and the least secure pay the highest price for an economic and financial crash that they did not cause. The evidence is there in the one million annual visits to foodbanks, a shocking figure in what is, still, a wealthy country.

David Cameron has been an increasingly weak prime minister. On issues such as Europe, the integrity of the United Kingdom, climate change, human rights and the spread of the low-wage economy, he has been content to lead the Tories back towards their nastiest and most Thatcherite comfort zones. All this is particularly disappointing after the promise of change that Mr Cameron once embodied.

In each area, Labour could go further and be bolder. But the contrast between them and the Conservatives is sharp. While Labour would repeal the bedroom tax, the Tories are set on those �12bn of cuts to social security, cuts that will have a concrete and painful impact on real lives. Even if they don�t affect you, they will affect your disabled neighbour, reliant on a vital service that suddenly gets slashed, or the woman down the street, already working an exhausting double shift and still not able to feed her children without the help of benefits that are about to be squeezed yet further. For those people, and for many others, a Labour government can make a very big difference.

This newspaper has never been a cheerleader for the Labour party. We are not now. But our view is clear. Labour provides the best hope for starting to tackle the turbulent issues facing us. On 7 May, as this country makes a profound decision about its future, we hope Britain turns to Labour.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/01/guardian-view-britain-needs-new-direction-needs-labour

SNAKES N CAKES fucked around with this message at 14:11 on May 1, 2015

# ? May 1, 2015 14:09

marktheando: Nov 4, 2006

Whitefish posted:

By convention, Cameron must resign as soon as it becomes apparent that he has lost the confidence of the House of Commons. That means he has a chance to try and piece together a coalition of some kind in order to achieve a majority in the Commons, but if he cannot do that he must resign. Barring an unexpected turn of events, this means that Cameron must resign unless the Tories, Lib Dems, UKIP and DUP collectively hold a majority of seats in the House of Commons.

At that point, the person who is in the best position to command the confidence of the House of Commons will be appointed Prime Minister. Barring an unexpected turn of events, this will be Ed Miliband.

This means that the following scenario is possible:

Tories are the largest party but cannot achieve a majority individually or by arrangement with other parties. Cameron therefore resigns. Miliband is appointed and chooses to govern as the leader of a minority government. He can do this even though the Tories are the largest party.

Here's Carl Gardner's explanation: http://www.headoflegal.com/2015/04/19/ed-can-enter-no-10-without-nicolas-keys/

It's not helped by the Labour party itself putting out all this poo poo about how the largest party gets to form the government, like Kezia Dugdale here-

Good job loving over the future minority Miliband government, you loving idiot Kezia.

# ? May 1, 2015 14:13

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

Pissflaps posted:

Here's the manual.

Specifically the relevant sections:

quote:

The principles of government formation
2.7
The ability of a government to command the confidence of the elected House of Commons is central to its authority to govern. It is tested by votes on motions of confidence, or no confidence. See paragraph 2.19 on fixed-term Parliaments and votes of no confidence. Commanding the confidence of the House of Commons is not the same as having a majority or winning every vote.

Parliaments with an overall majority in the House of Commons
2.11
After an election, if an incumbent government retains an overall majority � that is, where the number of seats won by the largest party in an election exceeds the combined number of seats for all the other parties in the new Parliament � it will normally continue in office and resume normal business. There is no need for the Sovereign to ask the Prime Minister to continue. If the election results in an overall majority for a different party, the incumbent Prime Minister and government will immediately resign and the Sovereign will invite the leader of the party that has won the election to form a government. Details on the appointment of the Prime Minister and ministers can be found in Chapter Three.

Parliaments with no overall majority in the House of Commons
2.12
Where an election does not result in an overall majority for a single party, the incumbent government remains in office unless and until the Prime Minister tenders his or her resignation and the Government�s resignation to the Sovereign. An incumbent government is entitled to wait until the new Parliament has met to see if it can command the confidence of the House of Commons, but is expected to resign if it becomes clear that it is unlikely to be able to command that confidence and there is a clear alternative.
2.13
Where a range of different administrations could potentially be formed, political parties may wish to hold discussions to establish who is best able to command the confidence of the House of Commons and should form the next government. The Sovereign would not expect to become involved in any negotiations, although there are responsibilities on those involved in the process to keep the Palace informed. This could be done by political parties or the Cabinet Secretary. The Principal Private Secretary to the Prime Minister may also have a role, for example, in communicating with the Palace.
2.16
As long as there is significant doubt following an election over the Government�s ability to command the confidence of the House of Commons, certain restrictions on government activity apply; see paragraphs 2.27�2.34.
2.17
The nature of the government formed will be dependent on discussions between political parties and any resulting agreement. Where there is no overall majority, there are essentially three broad types of government that could be formed:

� single-party, minority government, where the party may (although not necessarily) be supported by a series of ad hoc agreements based on common interests;
� formal inter-party agreement, for example the Liberal�Labour pact from 1977 to 1978; or
� formal coalition government, which generally consists of ministers from more than one political party, and typically commands a majority in the House of Commons.

Somewhat interesting is that apparently the previous prime minister has to voluntarily resign if they lose, technically the Sovereign can dismiss them, but hasn't done so in the better part of two centuries.

It's astonishing how much of this country run on spit and baling wire. For example, a member of the house of commons cannot quit their seat. There is no legal way for them to do so. If an MP wishes to resign, they are assigned by the chancellor of the exchequer, to one of two long-defunct paid offices of the crown, (either crown steward of a manor in yorkshire, or the stewardship of the "Chiltern Hundreds" which are a long defunct division of a few villages somewhere in Chiltern) which by law means they cannot sit in parliament and calls for the immediate election of another candidate to their seat. The former MP is then discharged from the stewardship. Because they can't just resign.

marktheando posted:

It's not helped by the Labour party itself putting out all this poo poo about how the largest party gets to form the government, like Kezia Dugdale here-

Good job loving over the future minority Miliband government, you loving idiot Kezia.

Also literally not fact, it says so in the manual.

OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 14:18 on May 1, 2015

# ? May 1, 2015 14:15

coffeetable: Feb 5, 2006; TELL ME AGAIN HOW GREAT BRITAIN WOULD BE IF IT WAS RULED BY THE MERCILESS JACKBOOT OF PRINCE CHARLES

YES I DO TALK TO PLANTS ACTUALLY

marktheando posted:

Good job loving over the future minority Miliband government, you loving idiot Kezia.

The prospect of being hanged focuses the mind wonderfully.

# ? May 1, 2015 14:16

coffeetable: Feb 5, 2006; TELL ME AGAIN HOW GREAT BRITAIN WOULD BE IF IT WAS RULED BY THE MERCILESS JACKBOOT OF PRINCE CHARLES

YES I DO TALK TO PLANTS ACTUALLY

on how to avoid being hanged

# ? May 1, 2015 14:16

serious gaylord: Sep 16, 2007; what.

Pissflaps posted:

If the SNP vote with the Tories against a minority Labour government then that leaves them open to even more criticism. They won't do it.

The SNP's public statements have basically given them no bargaining power over Labour. Either they support a labour minority government or they're seen to be helping the tories.

# ? May 1, 2015 14:18

Cerv: Sep 14, 2004; This is a silly post with little news value.

coffeetable posted:

unironically surprising

though i suppose it's a safe thing to say seeing as it's never going to happen

nice to see them sticking to their convictions, even though if Westminster used PR they wouldn't be getting anywhere near the 50ish seats they look to under FPTP this time.

# ? May 1, 2015 14:20

tdrules: Jan 12, 2014

Guardian backing Labour is the predictable decision after backing the Lib Dems in 2010.

Shout out to the Bristol crew

# ? May 1, 2015 14:20

Pesmerga: Aug 1, 2005; So nice to eat you

Who here is voting for the Liberal Democrats. WHO. :argh:

# ? May 1, 2015 14:24

The New Black: Oct 1, 2006; Had it, lost it.

The Guardian site has a pretty good page detailing what the latest polls mean with regard to various possible coalitions/confidence blocs.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2015/feb/27/guardian-poll-projection

For example right now they have Lab+SNP on its own is not enough for a confidence vote, though Con+Lib couldn't do it even with UKIP and the DUP.

They're also reporting a new YouGov poll giving Labour a 1 point lead out of nowhere. Though with it all so close and relatively static, just keep repeating "margin of error, margin of error".

# ? May 1, 2015 14:25

Coohoolin: Aug 5, 2012; Oor Coohoolie.

marktheando posted:

It's not helped by the Labour party itself putting out all this poo poo about how the largest party gets to form the government, like Kezia Dugdale here-

Good job loving over the future minority Miliband government, you loving idiot Kezia.

Jim Murphy is gonna get slaughtered for stuff like this as well from his own party. Scottish Labour are loving useless. No, worse than that, they're actually counter-effective.

Pesmerga posted:

Who here is voting for the Liberal Democrats. WHO.

TinTower.

# ? May 1, 2015 14:26

Pesmerga: Aug 1, 2005; So nice to eat you

Coohoolin posted:

Jim Murphy is gonna get slaughtered for stuff like this as well from his own party. Scottish Labour are loving useless. No, worse than that, they're actually counter-effective.

TinTower.

TinTower is not five people. There are more of them (lib dem supporters) out there :magical:

# ? May 1, 2015 14:28

EvilGenius: May 2, 2006; Death to the Black Eyed Peas

I want to see Miliband as prime minister, just to see the Tory press squirm and poo poo their pants, and desperately try to tell everyone how poo poo life has gotten despite it objectively getting better for everyone. The Blair years again basically.

# ? May 1, 2015 14:34

Angepain: Jul 13, 2012; what keeps happening to my clothes

Cat Machine posted:

They were pro-AV in 2011.

Though, they weren't set to benefit massively from first past the post in Westminster in 2011. Parties generally have a record of pretending to care about fairness in electoral systems while coincidentally supporting the system that will benefit them most in the short term, so if the SNP manage to hold on to supporting PR after FPTP giving them loads of seats (and probably benefiting them in Holyrood at the moment, if it was implemented) then it might be a rare decision made in the party's long-term interests rather than short term. Which I guess is a step forward. Maybe one day a party policy will be about the long term interests of actual people as a whole, but that may be a while off.

e: I assume the 4 UKIP votes are just jokes, right? Right?

# ? May 1, 2015 14:35

kustomkarkommando: Oct 22, 2012

The New Black posted:

The Guardian site has a pretty good page detailing what the latest polls mean with regard to various possible coalitions/confidence blocs.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2015/feb/27/guardian-poll-projection

For example right now they have Lab+SNP on its own is not enough for a confidence vote, though Con+Lib couldn't do it even with UKIP and the DUP.

They're also reporting a new YouGov poll giving Labour a 1 point lead out of nowhere. Though with it all so close and relatively static, just keep repeating "margin of error, margin of error".

I'm surprised they didn't run LAB+SNP+SDLP, that would put Labour over the mark and the SDLP support for a Labour government is a given.

# ? May 1, 2015 14:35

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

As, one would assume, is greens/PC given that they can hardly support any other government and would be actively opposed to a tory one.

# ? May 1, 2015 14:36

XMNN: Apr 26, 2008; I am incredibly stupid

Maybe they live in Lib-Con marginals?

Thanks for the answers on minority governments everyone, who could have known running a country on a few hundred years of gentlemen's agreements might get confusing.

# ? May 1, 2015 14:37

kustomkarkommando: Oct 22, 2012

The SDLP informally take the Labour whip and are much more formerly aligned with them in Parliament than the Greens, PC or the SNP - they will be on board pretty much straight off the bat.

# ? May 1, 2015 14:38

Angepain: Jul 13, 2012; what keeps happening to my clothes

kustomkarkommando posted:

I'm surprised they didn't run LAB+SNP+SDLP, that would put Labour over the mark and the SDLP support for a Labour government is a given.

They've got the"Anti-tory bloc" in the top right, which is basically that plus the four or so green+Plaid seats, which it's hard to imagine not voting against the Tories.

# ? May 1, 2015 14:38

Ichabod Sexbeast: Dec 5, 2011; Giving 'em the old razzle-dazzle

I'm more worried about the 4 kippers

e: in the thread I mean. The xenophobia is coming from inside the house! :stonk:

Ichabod Sexbeast fucked around with this message at 14:46 on May 1, 2015

# ? May 1, 2015 14:43

Coohoolin: Aug 5, 2012; Oor Coohoolie.

Ichabod Sexbeast posted:

I'm more worried about the 4 kippers

kapparomeo, tentish klown, is lash lightning still around? If so that leaves 1.

# ? May 1, 2015 14:44

Phoon: Apr 23, 2010

secret pissflaps ukip vote

# ? May 1, 2015 14:47

Ichabod Sexbeast: Dec 5, 2011; Giving 'em the old razzle-dazzle

Always had them pegged as tories.

Maybe Coohoolin is a secret EU agent, trying to get Britain to leave quicker? :tinfoil:

# ? May 1, 2015 14:51

a pipe smoking dog: Jan 25, 2010; "haha, dogs can't smoke!"

kustomkarkommando posted:

I'm surprised they didn't run LAB+SNP+SDLP, that would put Labour over the mark and the SDLP support for a Labour government is a given.

Yeah I mean the SDLP take the labour whip and furthermore SNP-Plaid-Greens can probably be considered a single bloc

# ? May 1, 2015 14:51

Lugaloco: Jun 29, 2011; Ice to see you!

Pissflaps is actually Ed Miliband.

# ? May 1, 2015 14:52

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

Coohoolin posted:

kapparomeo, tentish klown, is lash lightning still around? If so that leaves 1.

I assumed it was you with your latest campaigning scheme tbh.

# ? May 1, 2015 14:52

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

Lugaloco posted:

Pissflaps is actually Ed Miliband.

I'm not Ed Miliband, and let me tell you why

# ? May 1, 2015 14:53

coffeetable: Feb 5, 2006; TELL ME AGAIN HOW GREAT BRITAIN WOULD BE IF IT WAS RULED BY THE MERCILESS JACKBOOT OF PRINCE CHARLES

YES I DO TALK TO PLANTS ACTUALLY

Lugaloco posted:

Pissflaps is actually Ed Miliband.

Nah. Pissflaps is too keen on the SNP to be Ed Miliband.

# ? May 1, 2015 14:53

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

OwlFancier posted:

It's astonishing how much of this country run on spit and baling wire.

loving this forever. I'm not sure which is worse though, the current 'constitution' written on the backs of a thousand years of old envelopes, or a brand new formal written Constitution written by the current government. :stonk:

# ? May 1, 2015 14:54

Phoon: Apr 23, 2010

Pissflaps likes ed milliband too much to be ed milliband

# ? May 1, 2015 14:55

Lugaloco: Jun 29, 2011; Ice to see you!

Pissflaps posted:

I'm not Ed Miliband, and let me tell you why

You're staring at me for an uncomfortably long time without blinking, I remain unconvinced.

# ? May 1, 2015 14:55

tooterfish: Jul 13, 2013

It's me! I just can't resist a gurner in high waisted kecks and tweed jacket.

It's like someone stopped the carousel of time at 1950 and told him to get the gently caress off. :allears:

# ? May 1, 2015 14:56

Phoon: Apr 23, 2010

There must be actual fascists somewhere agonising whether to vote safe mainstream ukip or go with their heart and vote bnp/liberty/whatever

# ? May 1, 2015 14:57

Coohoolin: Aug 5, 2012; Oor Coohoolie.

The poll should have included regional distinctions.

# ? May 1, 2015 14:57

a pipe smoking dog: Jan 25, 2010; "haha, dogs can't smoke!"

Coohoolin posted:

The poll should have included regional distinctions.

yeah scots are clearly over-represented

we need some sort of formula to properly divide up the posts

# ? May 1, 2015 14:59

Coohoolin: Aug 5, 2012; Oor Coohoolie.

a pipe smoking dog posted:

yeah scots are clearly over-represented

we need some sort of formula to properly divide up the posts

Well mostly I was interested in how uniform Scottish SA votes would be for the SNP and how much would go to the Lib Dems or Labour.

Here's a depressing map, countries with the item most searched for in terms of cost, i.e. "how much does X cost".

Switzerland: Rolexes

Britain: Life :smithicide:

# ? May 1, 2015 15:02

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Phoon posted:

There must be actual fascists somewhere

Everywhere, I heard if you live in a city, you're never more than 10 feet from a fascist. :tinfoil:

Phoon posted:

agonising whether to vote safe mainstream ukip or go with their heart and vote bnp/liberty/whatever

I swear 'LibertyGB' was founded purely to piss off Liberty (National Council for Civil Liberties) members.

# ? May 1, 2015 15:04

Gyro Zeppeli: Jul 19, 2012; sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

Coohoolin posted:

Well mostly I was interested in how uniform Scottish SA votes would be for the SNP and how much would go to the Lib Dems or Labour.

Here's a depressing map, countries with the item most searched for in terms of cost, i.e. "how much does X cost".

Switzerland: Rolexes

Britain: Life

I couldn't have come up with a more :finland:

stereotype answer.

Or, well, really, it should be litre.

# ? May 1, 2015 15:06

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# ? May 5, 2024 15:19

Coohoolin: Aug 5, 2012; Oor Coohoolie.

Hijo Del Helmsley posted:

I couldn't have come up with a more stereotype answer.

Or, well, really, it should be litre.

Ireland's "funeral" gave me a giggle as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NndzLS7JvJY

# ? May 1, 2015 15:08

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