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| Conservative |
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72 | 6.22% |
| Labour |
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410 | 35.41% |
| Liberal Democrat |
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46 | 3.97% |
| UKIP |
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69 | 5.96% |
| Green |
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199 | 17.18% |
| SNP |
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121 | 10.45% |
| DUP |
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0 | 0% |
| Sinn Fein |
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35 | 3.02% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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20 | 1.73% |
| Respect |
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3 | 0.26% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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56 | 4.84% |
| BNP |
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23 | 1.99% |
| Some flavour of socialist party |
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37 | 3.20% |
| Some flavour of communist party |
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27 | 2.33% |
| Independent |
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3 | 0.26% |
| Other |
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37 | 3.20% |
| Total: | 1158 votes | ||
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The labour candidates with a real chance all seem to have decided to wait until after 2020
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I remember seeing a documentary about bulletproofing yonks back, and the stuff they put in kevlar vests bears great similarity to a sheaf of thin plastic shopping bags.
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Jun 1, 2015 21:54
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The Labour party are loving dead. It's just a bunch of eejit's not committed enough to evil to be tories wearing the corpse.
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Jun 1, 2015 21:55
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SNP's presence has made Labour shift to the right to appeal to Middle England. Scotland is fairly committed to civic nationalism for the long haul.
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Jun 1, 2015 21:57
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tdrules posted:SNP's presence has made Labour shift to the right to appeal to Middle England. It's going to lose them more than they've already lost because when it comes down to it Labour could promise free sex slaves to anyone earning over a certain tax bracket but the papers and Middle England shitheads will still trust the tories more. Maybe, I dunno, trying to appeal to their long neglected base of working class voters might help them like it did for the SNP in Scotland seeing as how they've been bleeding support ever since 1997 with their swings to the right. Edit: and it's not loving nationalism that won Scotland for the SNP. It's the fact that when they look at the SNP they see Old Labour that's winning it for them. I mean UKIP's been pitching itself as working class despite being as upperclass as incest and ivory and it's made them close seconds in a hell of a lot of Labour strongholds. Gonzo McFee fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Jun 1, 2015 |
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Jun 1, 2015 22:02
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feedmegin posted:A vest that prevents you dying if stabbed and a vest that stops you dying if shot are actually two very different things. Our cops would have the former, theirs the latter, given the different threat environments. Why not wear both?
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Jun 1, 2015 22:04
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Scotland benefitted greatly from Labour getting into power in '97, you can call it what you want.
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Jun 1, 2015 22:08
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tdrules posted:Scotland benefitted greatly from Labour getting into power in '97, you can call it what you want. Aye, one of those benefits is not having to rely on the Labour Party not loving up. Given that in 1997 they had 13 Million voters and since haven't even gotten as many votes as Neil loving Kinnock's 11 million in 1992 I'd say there's a pretty large correlation to parties trying to become more and more electable and voter turnout plummeting.
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Jun 1, 2015 22:15
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Gonzo McFee posted:It's going to lose them more than they've already lost because when it comes down to it Labour could promise free sex slaves to anyone earning over a certain tax bracket but the papers and Middle England shitheads will still trust the tories more. It also opens the question of who actually kicks the Tories out of power, and what Britain is actually going to be like in 2025 or 2030 when Labour theoretically has a better shot. At this point the center-left and working class people have alternatives beyond Labour, SNP/Green/UKIP. Labour is plenty vulnerable on their left flank. Even if the Greens mostly go after middle class center-leftists, SNP is limited to Scotland and UKIP's populism is paper thin, how is Labour going to make up those votes by courting middle Britain? I mean there are plenty of people in rural areas who will never for Labour no matter what they say. In addition, Tories are already doing a "one nation" bit ahead of them to attract the center. What demographic is really going to switch sides here? If anything it Labour seems more likely to slowly drift into near-irrelevance as their base of support slowly dwindles.
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Jun 1, 2015 22:19
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Ardennes posted:What demographic is really going to switch sides here? By the time you're talking about, it's not about getting a demographic to switch sides at all, it's about getting them to take sides in the first place... Even now, that map of 'constituencies where 'didn't vote' would have won' was pretty strong evidence, for my money, that getting non-voters to vote (again, as applicable) would be where the left stands to gain (at least partly because at the moment, there isn't really a left, there's a right and a centre that meekly acquiesces to the right's narrative). That and picking up the incoming youth vote.
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Jun 1, 2015 22:31
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Announcing the death of the Labour Party because they had a poor election result against a Tory party with a paper thin majority seems a touch premature. A week is a long time in politics, five years an eternity.
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Jun 1, 2015 23:04
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Wouldn't hurt Labour to find someone that can sound at least a little inspiring. I mean the Labours promise of being not as poo poo as the Tories isn't getting anybody out to the polling station. "Austerity! But not as bad as Tory Austerity" Aye, wonder why that didn't work.
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Jun 1, 2015 23:05
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Pissflaps posted:Announcing the death of the Labour Party because they had a poor election result against a Tory party with a paper thin majority seems a touch premature. If Labour continues down the path of trying to be the Nice Tories then it doesn't matter if they win or lose, the Labour party is dead and it's just B-League tories at the helm.
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Jun 1, 2015 23:07
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Isn't that exactly what Tony Blair did?
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Jun 1, 2015 23:12
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Pissflaps posted:Isn't that exactly what Tony Blair did? And after initial enthusiasm he never got as many voters as Neil Kinnock did before him.
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Jun 1, 2015 23:24
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That 'initial enthusiasm' being a landslide General Election result, increasing Labour's vote count by two million?
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Jun 1, 2015 23:33
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Pissflaps posted:That 'initial enthusiasm' being a landslide General Election result, increasing Labour's vote count by two million? And decreasing it by three million by 2001.
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Jun 1, 2015 23:35
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While retaining a massive majority, rendering the Tory party an electoral joke and no doubt leading to some foolish observers to describe them as 'dead'.
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Jun 1, 2015 23:37
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SNAKES N CAKES posted:And the Economist endorses Liz Kendall: Of course they did.
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Jun 1, 2015 23:40
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Pissflaps posted:While retaining a massive majority, rendering the Tory party an electoral joke and no doubt leading to some foolish observers to describe them as 'dead'. As I said, Labour winning is irrelevant when they're promising Tory light policies.
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Jun 1, 2015 23:41
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Dennis Skinner wielding a mattock handle 2020.
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Jun 1, 2015 23:45
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Gonzo McFee posted:As I said, Labour winning is irrelevant when they're promising Tory light policies. Blair's policies were so Tory-lite that the Tories are currently trying to undo some of the biggest ones.
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Jun 1, 2015 23:51
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Guavanaut posted:Dennis Skinner wielding a mattock handle 2020. Dennis Skinner and a crate of Newcastle Brown Ale for PM and Deputy respectively.
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Jun 1, 2015 23:53
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LemonDrizzle posted:Blair's policies were so Tory-lite that the Tories are currently trying to undo some of the biggest ones. You not busy trying to defend his Anti Poverty Speech fees?
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Jun 1, 2015 23:55
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Gonzo McFee posted:You not busy trying to defend his Anti Poverty Speech fees?
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Jun 2, 2015 00:10
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Dabir posted:Why not wear both? Bulky as gently caress, wouldn't be able to move around much. It could be done but you'd end up looking like you're in an EOD suit.
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Jun 2, 2015 00:51
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clause 4 will not come back, and the SNP will not pursue a broad nationalization plank in Scotland the trade union vote in the party will continue to be dismantled, and the SNP will not integrate Scottish trade unions into its party structure - it is already OMOV centralized authority to set curricular guidelines and quantitatively assess teachers, in return for a generous subsidy for education (in particular education valuable to middle class families), will continue to dominate. the SNP already exercises power over this at Holyrood and it likewise will not give it up centralized authority to set healthcare institution quantitative performance goals, with an entrenched ideological norm of reducing costs and increasing performance, will continue to dominate. SNP likewise, etc. in terms of grand ideology it is hard to pinpoint #1 what planks Labour could revive, or for that matter #2 which planks the SNP provides in comparison
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Jun 2, 2015 04:50
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Charles Kennedy has died. Dude was only 55. God drat, he was one of the good ones 
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Jun 2, 2015 06:09
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Poor guy, I always liked Charles Kennedy.
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Jun 2, 2015 06:33
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Incredibly sad news, he didn't look well when he was on Question Time a few months ago. gently caress Alcoholism.
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Jun 2, 2015 06:40
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Oh poo poo : He seemed an actually decent bloke.
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Jun 2, 2015 06:44
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Gutted to hear it
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Jun 2, 2015 07:12
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feedmegin posted:A vest that prevents you dying if stabbed and a vest that stops you dying if shot are actually two very different things. Our cops would have the former, theirs the latter, given the different threat environments. But they don't 
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Jun 2, 2015 07:51
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Frankie Boyle on cameron: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/01/david-cameron-moriarty-downing-street-radical-thatcher
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Jun 2, 2015 08:38
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Charles Kennedy. Alcoholism really sucks
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Jun 2, 2015 08:59
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I'm sad about Kennedy. One of the decent ones, despite being elected to Westminster the year before I was alive. 32 years down there and he always managed to come across as a decent person. And inarguably the best leader the Liberal Democrats have ever had. I was sad to see him lose his previously impregnable seat, he's always come across as a strong voice for the often forgotten Highlands, and there have been very few people up here with bad words about him.
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Jun 2, 2015 09:33
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Ardennes posted:It also opens the question of who actually kicks the Tories out of power 
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Jun 2, 2015 09:38
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I don't suppose anyone has released a cause of death; I assume they're dancing around the s-word.
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Jun 2, 2015 09:42
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I think it's important to remember what people did in life rather than speculate on their death.
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Jun 2, 2015 09:47
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Teddybear posted:I don't suppose anyone has released a cause of death; I assume they're dancing around the s-word.
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