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 Told ya there'd be nothing about killing the Demon Princess. I'm like psychic or something.  Wardogs? What about them? The Wardogs are fighting with each other! All of them want to be the king! It's a Wardog riot, and innocent people are getting hurt! That's our job, then... Our job? They're fighting all over the place, right? So you want them to take the fight into the dungeon? Exactly. Eek! Don't startle me like that! An arena! A Coliseum! We can lure the Wardogs into the Coliseum, and have them fight! And this is perfect for us, too. All the Wardogs want to be the king, right? They'll bring their best weapons and armor! Once they enter the Coliseum, we can take their weapons and armor from them! It's like we're robbers, isn't it...? Hey, Buddy! Girl! Let's go to the Furniture Shop! Let's buy a Coliseum! Do they really sell Coliseums at the Furniture Shop...?I wouldn't be surprised at this point either way. Easiest way to find out is to just head there right now too.   Coliseums? Of course! You have one...? You don't need to go that far... You've got to, got to, really, really got to try out! It's only 9000G each, as promised, and we can grab 2 easily now. Gonna do that then and maybe some other stuff as well.  You know the one! Ogre Cyclops! Did you defeat the King of the Wardogs? You keep beating those Wardogs, and eventually the Ogre Cyclops will come after you. He'll think you must be the next King of the Wardogs! The Ogre Cyclops hates Wardogs, right? I, uh, I guess that makes sense...? He just hates their barking...? Okay, now as per usual we've gotta deal with the floor proper and basically nothing else now. So, what's in these altars?  A weird and confusing enemy. Not because they're hard.  No, they're really not. Gibberers are undead so we can Holy Light them to death.  The problem lies in what they can do...  and how its all an evil pack of lies Everything it says its going to do is the exact opposite of what it really does.  This also applies to basically all of its drops as well. We've seen its sword before, so we know that's a random stupid thing.  Actually making this thing is, unsurprisingly, fairly simple and rote at this point.  Just gonna throw down a Coliseum next to the Dojo we placed before, and attach these beds to its left and another Coliseum to its south. The floors layout tries to hinder this a lot though.  The Dojo here just brings back our old friends. They have no new drops though!  The Iron chest follows the usual pattern and the Silver...  Does not have a mistake there. No, Wingtips are in both here because why not.  More important though is a new staff for Kate. Sadly, there's no Wind spells so it can't autocast a thing.  Gibberers are dumb and their drops are also dumb. Selling this one without question.  Coliseums mostly contain dogs of all kinds here. Makes sense since it's what we want and all. The Emperor is the same as the 13th floor and the other 2 don't really have their drops scaled up unfortunately.  And when I said dogs of all kinds, I meant it. Even the Samurai Wolves get in on the action!  Oh hey a random Emperor Dog not in a Coliseum dropped a new shield. First one in ages, because I kinda missed like one or two by accident.  I don't remember why I placed this Field other than cheap and easy. It's a bit north of the Coliseums though.  The Gibberer Shoes are kinda nice, I guess. They're actual upgrades and grant Stun resistance which helps a fair bit.  They're also better than the other new boots we can get here.  Next thing we can pick up from the Silver Chest is a robe that's flat-out worse than everything else we have. And doesn't even have any other benefits to it. How disappointing and weird.  Anyway, like a day later the Magic Hole appears. I was a little off on which wall would disappear, no big. We're not diving into this fight right away though!  No, first we're picking up this fairly decent ring from a Silver chest. I think it's okay at least what with the +5 Atk and all.  Also we want some of th Gibberer's tender flesh. For, uh, reasons. NOW we can go fight the boss.  Ogre Cyclops After how fairly... different some of the other things looked, I'm disappointed by how generic this one is. I knew it'd show up! These guys can't tell the difference between humans and Wardogs. He thinks you're the strongest Wardog... the Wardog King! You've gotta take care of him right here, right now, before he tries to attack the castle or something! Yeah, that'd be a problem... Oh my, here he comes! Good luck, King Buddy! It should probably go without saying now that Kate's going to spend ever boss fight just casting Lifesteal. So, uh, unless I specify otherwise just presume that.  Unsurprisingly, the big thing with a giant club likes to smash things with it.  In a couple of ways, in fact.  It's not quite as hard as his normal attack, of course, but it does hit everyone AND is more likely to stun.  What might be a bit of a surprise is that he has a 3rd move.  What might be more of a surprise is that it is a giant eye laser that hits someone with Devastation.  But aside from that, it's just a good ol' slugfest and we can win those easy. End Drop for this guy is a new club. It's quite nice so I guess I can remember to use it.  Now then, the 15th floor is much nicer than the 14th.  We'll start off by setting up some rubbish tips...  directly opposite three plush beds. What? They're only monsters, they won't care.  Straight north of that, we'll throw down a lot of Hearths.  And a few more bins next to the beds. I am a brilliant architect!  Also in the top-left corner of the floor is a hidden 40k. Nice for easy, free money but we can earn more than that in a single trip of the dungeon so whatevs. It's quicker to get it this way though.  Since we just got the meat, we'll see what it does now as well. It's hard to tell just what it is. It's meat from a Gibberer. You must know how to eat it, right? No, I've never seen meat like that before, either...What?!  Have you tried stewing it with vegetables? What kind of stew would it make? Well, it's Gibberer Meat, so I'd assume... um... Gibberer Stew? I see! So what skills do you think it'll raise? Wouldn't that be too good to be true...! Maybe... But more importantly, I bet the stew is delicious! Well, he wasn't just guessing at nothing, at least. It's pretty good to say we just need 1 drop for it since we can buy the rest for cheap.  Not as good at anything as the specialised dishes, except HP and MP, but it's sufficient for what we want.  More importantly, next floor's an odd number. 11 and 13 were Demon Lord related. 12 and 14 were other random things. If this is a pattern, then next time we'll get an angry letter I guess.
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Huh. I figured all the monsters from here on out would be recolors, but those Gibberers are definitely not.
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For as generic as the rest of the design is, a cyclops whose eye is inside his mouth is a bit different.
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And then he opens up his entire face to fire a beam, and euuugh.
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I like that they went all the way with the crazy upside-down monster concept.
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 This is not how I expected this floor to start. Um, did I skip one by accident? Ah! G-Good morning! (*gulp*) Flame... flowers? No. It's a type of flower that blooms only once every thousand years. This is the thousandth year, apparently...! They bloom in deep caves. I wanted to see one, but if you don't have any in your dungeon, oh well... Um... I'll look for one, then... and... Oh! She left! If we turn the 15th floor into a fire floor, maybe fire monsters will bring one in with them?So, uh, yeah. Turns out this floor is a glorified sidequest complete with that goofy every hundred/thousand years thing.  Well, let's get to work then. Do you know what kind of monster has them? Nope! Hey...! No ordinary monster would be able to walk around with one. So, of course... We'll have to go after some huge monster that appears in a Magic Hole! Yeah... So, let's get right to it shall we? Just need to throw down a lot of fire rooms and get even more dudes to spawn.  First, we have a robotic maid problem. They're meant to be cleaning these bedrooms, not sleeping in them!  So, we just make sure they get that they're not getting paid this time. By beating them up and finding replacements. They don't really put up much of a fight.  They also drop their aprons sometimes. They sell for like 4000G and that's their best use by far, though that +5Atk seems tempting.  Also Owen can't wear it anyway, which is the real reason I just sell it for lotsa money.  Oh and these guys have moved into all the Hearths on this floor. Recolours of the Potbelly dudes already...  Needless to say, yes, they are weak to Ice. Gloop just isn't wise enough to quite oneshot any of them.  Their shoes are quite nice though. Same defence as the boots we have AND 20 Fire Res? Don't mind if I do.  Since we also need lots of enemies in general, I throw down a Dojo to the north, a Coliseum just next to it and another Dojo adjoining that to its north.  This is also when we're done with the first day and so should proceed to loot the treasure boxes. Iron is iron, yada yada.  Silver only has two new things though. The Gibberer Meat for no effort is drat nice at least.  Unsurprisingly, the new equipment is Fire elemental. Better than what we have right now but not good for current use.  Next day, the robomaids still haven't learned to do their jobs properly. This time they remember to fight back.  The elbow itself doesn't hurt much, but I think it was a bit rusty or something. That's just not on!  So we steal their shoes to make a point.  The Dojos just have these old friends again. Still no upgraded drops disappointingly.  Last Silver chest item is Owen's version of the Fire Bow. See like three sentences up. Still applies.  Just gotta throw down even more rooms, slowly extending towards the right wall. All very simple stuff.  Other new drop from a Fireman is... something that seems like an old item but isn't. Took me until I saw it sold for 4400G to realise that.  It, um, isn't very good to use though. So, selling it is its proper use.  Couple days later, the repetition gets the floor done and the hole opens. Fireflower That is a big flower, alright. Bigger than I was expecting, eve. Also I know it isn't but the big bit under the bulb looks like a wrinkly brain to me.   I'm going to go hide... Wait a second. This monster is actually a Flameflower, right...? Exactly. So you can't really bring it back to town with you like this...! Bah! What should I tell her, then...? I'll have to talk to her later, huh? What are you going to tell her? You beat up the flower she wanted to see? No, that won't do... I'm sure you'll think of something. Now's probably not the time for that, though. He's coming right at us! So, the Fireflower appears to hit very hard with his normal attack. But, eh, it's one person and even a second wouldn't kill Gloop.  Unsurprisingly, it takes pretty okay damage from Ice. I have to say pretty okay because it's still heavily resisted and deals less than Lifesteal but it is the thought that counts.  Oh and the Fireflower has a whole two attacks. It's boring single target normal one and this one.  This is actually weaker, but tries to make up for it by hitting everyone. It doesn't.  I'm sure most of the entire past few floors have mostly felt like lazy filler when reading thus far. They kind of are, to be honest, but this is the only one to this point that also felt it when playing. An uninterestingly easy boss to end an uninterestingly easy floor.  Just a root. Too bad it's not a flower...Also it drops food instead of equipment.  Looks like the Flameflower Roots reach all the way down to this floor too...!And there's even a second immediately on the next floor too. Sure, why not.  Anyway, you know the drill by now. Start off by placing rooms and I'm just dumping these 6 fountains here because they're taking up valuable inventory space.  Same with the next 3 and the trash too.  The field and plush beds are actually useful though.  Oh and the equipment store lady doesn't even acknowledge that we have the roots right now. Why? I'unno. Just doesn't.  But since they ARE ingredients someone else actually cares. Is that... is that... is that Fireflower Root?! You're so lucky! All you have to do is make a salad out of that, and it's the best thing you'll have ever tasted! That's so hard to find... Gourmet eater that I am, even I've never had it before! Hmph. Just make it into a salad. Sounds easy enough. Thanks for telling me. Bye now! Wait, wait! Don't you want to trade that for something?Ooh, like special postgame(ish) new magic??  boooo Okay, hold on, maybe I can give you a magic potion, and... No, I can't...! Argh! I can't trade you this ordinary stuff for a Fireflower Root, it'd be rude to the root! Rude to the Fireflower Root...? I'm a gourmet eater, and I long for Fireflower Root. I can't give up on it! But I must have manners... What are you getting all worked up for? So, uh not only do we not give him it for free... it's not worth making either. Honestly, if I knew how bleh these things were I'd just let the guy have them.  Oh, and despite what you may have thought before, no, the stat cap isn't 100. I don't even know what it is. Probably 255, but the space looks like it could hit four digits if needed.  Which, uh, is probably as much of a ridiculous overkill as it sounds. Oh well, next time... we'll do something? Maybe the shopkeeper lady will let us tell her the flower she wanted was an evil monster or something!
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That got inconsistent, since I'm going to guess "Fireflower" and "Flameflower" are the same thing and not two different things. Hell, you got a Root from both, but since you had only a single item twice for food I'm going to guess it's the same. A lame filler floor, a lame boss and a lame translation, all in one!
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Jun 25, 2015 02:39
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Yeah, the whole thing kinda lost direction after the "end". Let's hope it manages to find it again, eventually.
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The demon king didn't really care that his daughter got killed huh? Or maybe he's more subtle than his son and is plotting as opposed to sending angry letters.
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Well he did say we were entering the postgame after floor 10. Postgame content is typically just 'do what you were doing before but much harder' so I'm not surprised the story cut back.
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Sinking Ship posted:Postgame content is typically just 'do what you were doing before but much harder' so I'm not surprised the story cut back. Postgame content here is just 'do what you were doing before but much easier/more boring'.
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I hope the demon king's on floor 20 and not, like, floor 66 or something.
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 So, for the first time in quite a while we get a letter from the Devil Lord. Kind of expected this earlier but whatever. (A cold shadow? Stick a blade into my world? Must be another assassin on the way...) Whoa... I've never seen something like that before. What a strange letter. Aren't you afraid? If you're afraid when you come up against a devil, you'll lose for sure. Just remember that a human with a strong heart will always beat a devil. After all, a devil's just another monster... like a Hobgoblin! (She sure talks tough...)Yeah but it makes sense to me. If it lives, it can die!  ...But first we have a cold shadow to deal with. So we need more water/ice rooms.  What... Some new furniture? Yes, what about some cold furniture?! (gulp) Cold...? I wasn't planning on serving the monsters cool drinks or anything... Yes, but if you want monsters that only live in icy realms, then this is the thing for you! Things like Shroomlizards! You absolutely must give this a try! Hmph... Shroomlizards... Refrigerators are cheaper than you might have expected, so might as well grab all 5 now.  If we do that, the cold Shadow won't come anymore! Isn't that the opposite of what a Dungeon Digger should be doing...? Good point! Let's mak it an ice floor..! That'll make the cold Shadow show up...! Okay... Huh?! You always take about how to attract monsters. You've nver suggested w keep a monster out before...! ... Never mind! It's... It's nothing, and whatever... Forget about it, you two! As per usual, we're just mostly going through the motions with the dungeon design at this point. Just gonna throw down those 3 Refrigeratos over to the left of the Fountains and stick a Dojo here just because.  Slamming down more Fountains next to that Field since we DO need cold rooms at least.  Last 2 Refrigerators opposite there. If only we could buy more than 5 at first. This is awkward.  Also 3 beds to the south. ...what no this isnt padding because the floors now are super short and over in like 2 or 3 days what makes you think that  ANYWAY look a fight!  Snowmen are yet another recolour of that one new enemy model. Gotta make the most of it somehow, I guess.  Anyway they are weak to Fire and Kate will burn them alive effortlessly.  They hit kind of middlingly hard I guess. Which is to say relatively not at all. Gloop takes more damage from being sneezed on at this point.  Of course they drop their spear. And of course its not very good for this floor. Pattern recognition!  Plush Beds meanwhile are a bit more interesting. They have these giant beetles with giant swords tied to their heads.  They're actually so hardy we cannot oneshot them at all right now. I know, I'm surprised too.  also oww thats actual real damage  But they do die in two hits so we steal their shell and wear it for protection. Because that's not at all gross and weird.  Oh and NOW we can finish the previous quest. Yeah, I dunno. I'd love to decorate my shop with some flowers like that...! I wouldn't do that if I were you... A Flameflower is a huge monster. A monster...? I don't think you could decorate a shop with one... I guess I just don't know my flowers. I'd better stick to weapons... Tee-hee!And that's it. No more rewards or anything, so let's just sleep and jump back in the whole.  Threw down a flower garden to the north of the entrance because I need more monsters in general right now. That's it. Nothing fancy here.  So, how about those fridges?  Yeah they contain mushrooms that are also lizards. We burn them and they die. That's it. I'm seeing a pattern here.  They drop two possible food items. Neither is more or less common than the other, but they're both used for different recipes which works out fine.  Snowmen drop Ice Robes which aren't as useful as you'd expect. Lower defense than our current armor, their elemental resistance is meh and they sell for about the same as the Fire Robes. Which isn't bad but could be better.  So, chest. Gonna skip the iron one at this point because its super repetitive. The Halberd is a cool new spear that we're going to use, of course.  Do you know some tasty way to eat this? Mushrooms are tasty, whether you boil them or you fry them... But what about some Premium Steak? Mushroom... steak...? No, no! It's really good. So it's really good, is it? Yes. Really good. Oh, I see... It's really good... Trust me. It's really good. You guys need to work on your vocabulary a bit...Well that's one. Now to just leave and come back.  It looks just like a Crow Leg...! How did you know what it was!? Use it to make kabobs with a Wingtip and a Clam. You'll know it's ready when it looks delicious. Always trust your eyes! So you know how tasty something will be just by looking at it? Okay... So, how are they to actually eat? Well, the steak is really good. Especially if you're Owen, since, y'know, more HP, Strength and Constitution are like the 3 stats that really matter here.  The lizard's pretty decent as well. Requires a bit more work to get the ingredients for (but we can just buy the peppers at least). Not quite AS good, butit focuses on Wisdom and Speed. If it was MP instead of HP, then the lizards would be good to farm for a consistent boost to every stat. But no such luck there.  Next day, boss spawns of course. Shadow Been skipping over the pans recently, but it's needed here because..  He's so small, you can't even see the sprite behind the dialogue box! He's here... Now, a chance to avenge my father! Huh!? Your father? Err... the guy who made you? I'm afraid he might get you, too...! Is that why you tried to get us to make a fire floor on this level...? To make sure this monster wouldn't come?! If you want to avenge your father, then wouldn't it be better to lure the monster into here? You know, so we can beat it up...!? Yeah... Go hide. We'll take care of him and avenge your dad for you, Shovel! ...Okay! I'm counting on you guys! So first off, the actual Shadow itself DOES have a larger sprite and stuff. It's just only there when he's attacking or taking damage. So most of the time.  Lik so. It's quite telling when his basic attack is more dangerous than most other enemies special skills.  Despite what you might expect, by the by, he's not actually Ice elemental. He's Light aligned. No, really.  ...This arguably isn't helping, I realise.  On the one hand, it's not actually a Devestation effect so it won't drop you to 1 HP no matter what. On the other hand, that's bad because it can kill you appropriately enough.  Told you it was Light elemental. Also, he's apparently a rejected Naruto character.  It's multi-target and keys off Wisdom so mitigating it for Kate is easy. Everyone else not so much; Light resistant gear is actually pretty awful at this point so there's no point to using it.  It's actually really easy to just keep the damage output up here and healing should easily outpace any damage taken at this point. Sort of disappointingly easy fight all told. End Buddy! We avenged your father! The Shadow is no more! Great! Now he can rest in peace. Thanks, Buddy! Thanks, Girl! I couldn't be happier... More important is loot. We get some sweet new hanzo steel for our benefit. By which I mean probaby Gloop's, since it's not much better than the Halberd.  So, the 17th floor has a new item for our collection in the top-left corner. We, uh, can't get it until the boss spawns and dies so yknow. Boring.  Let's start out by throwing down a ton of large rooms. A Coliseum connected to a Dojo to the south and another Coliseum to the west.  Some beds right above that one. It's totally not filler or anything.  Nor is this field to the east. I just want to get this done quickly by throwing down lots of rooms with many monsters!  Like yet another Dojo to the far west.  That'll do it for the starting point on the next floor, I reckon.  And honestly, I think next time unless there's some major change we'll just tackle both the 17th and 18th floors in the same update. These things are just getting quicker after all.
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I guess it's kinda hard to fine-tune the difficulty in a game where you can give your characters what is basically arbitrary stat-ups. And somehow it surprises me every time it gets brought up that, yes, Owen is just flat-out murdering this letter-writing dude's family and he's being kind of blasé about it, too.
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Well fool me once shame on me and all. the last letter writer turned out to be a manipulative rear end in a top hat.
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WarpedLichen posted:It's probably hard for Owen to feel any sympathy for enemies that willingly walk into a death trap one by one over and over.
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WarpedLichen posted:It's probably hard for Owen to feel any sympathy for enemies that willingly walk into a death trap one by one over and over. IT'S BECAUSE HE'S BECOMING A MAAAAAAAAN! But seriously, he's probably to the point if something is gonna kill him, he's gonna kill it back five times as hard!
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How many more family members do we need to cleave through before the Demon Lord himself shows up? To also get cleaved through, of course.
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I really like the shadow assassin's animation.
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 ...Did I load an older save file by accident? Oh, good morning. What do you want to eat this time? I'm not here to talk about food. I see....I must have loaded one of a ROMHack by accident. What?! Why, is it strange for me to want to talk about something other than food? Bah, I can talk about other things too from time to time! Anyways... You know how Black Warriors are called by many different names, depending on how strong they are? The strongest of them all is called a High Master. I bet you could make some delicious sashimi with that sword...Oh, there we go. Everything's back to normal. (I knew he wanted to talk about food...) I don't know how to use a sword myself, so I wouldn't be able to use a Master Blade... But wouldn't that be cool? To steal a battle-hardened warrior's weapon and use it to make sashimi!? Anyways, you're the only person I could thik of who'd listen to this, so... But this Master Blade sounds like something I'd love to have...!This is a weird floor. It seems like our goal here is to make a High Master appear and steal his sword...  If you want to fight a High master, you can draw them in with a Dojo or Coliseum. Just kep in mind that if you place more than one Dojo or Coliseum, you might get swamped! Then place things like Fields and just gather food for dinner!It's not really clear, but Shovel's dialogue here implies that we need Dojos or Colisums to make the boss spawn. That IS true, but...  Not for the High Master. He's just a random dude we can fight in them.  So, uh, what are we even doing this floor? Maybe these guys are just random mooks and the real-real High Master is the boss who drops the sword?  Nope! It's one of the random drops from the random dudes. So, what's the point of this floor? Er...  Hey look a weird elephant sunflower and pillbugs made of potatoes! Isn't that wacky?  (we burn them and they die)  While filling in more of the floor, another High Master drops his helmet. Not that great for, uh, anyone really.  Oh and Master Swords are so common we got three of them on that one excursion. 1 for Owen, 1 for Gloop and one to sell for good measure.  You have to cook it thoroughly over a low flame. I hear Baked Potatoes make you look prettier, don't they? What else do they increase? What else would you like them to increase!? They already increase 'Beauty' by 1. I knew it! I mean, increasing your beauty by 1 point isn't going to help you underground... True. I should eat yours too, then! What?! (She's eating two of them...?) What about the boy's? Good idea. I should eat his too! Whoa! (She's eating three...?! Don't I get one...?) If she wants three, she can go out and farm them from the Potatobugs. They're good for Kate at least, even if the +3 Beauty points have no mechanical effect.  Anyway, we could talk to the Magic Shop dude again but he doesn't acknowledge that we have 3 Master Blades at all. He doesn't acknowledge anything at all relating to this weird "quest" we don't have after that one scene ends.  This is, by far, the most blatant filler floor of the bunch. It's not even subtle with at least some justification for what we're doing or anything. We're just digging this floor of the dungeon because we are Dungeon Diggers and it's what we do.  ...Next day the boss, whatever it is, spawns. Oddly enough, I didn't get a Silver Key at all on this floor. Yeah, I dunno either. Ogre Triclops ...Calling attention to what is essentially your lazy reuse of an earlier boss does not make it any less lazy. Yeah, this one's an Ogre Triclops. It has three eyes instead of one. Be careful. He'll shoot Sealing Light out of all three of this eyes! No one will be able to use any magic or items in this battle! So... we can't recover HP? Right! He's a terrifying fiend. But I have faith in you! I'm going to go hide, while you guys beat him up! Good luck! So, as you'd no doubt expect this guy's pretty much the stock fare and boring as hell to fight.  Oh no, his normal attack hits everyone for middling damage and might stun.  At least he has a skill that hits... a single person for very slightly more damage and is even less likely to stun. How scary!  And, of course, he can try and seal us like Shovel said. Very, very rarely.  Well, by "try" I mean almost definitely succeed. It's just a multi-target Seal spell so it doesn't hurt or anything.  Not a hard fight at all though. We hit him a lot and he dies. End At least he drops his club which is a very slight upgrade for Owen or Gloop. Might as well use it though.  And since we can now get to the top-left corner, we can grab some more Oil for Shovel.  Floor 18's nice and open. The walls are a bit weird but they also make it really obvious where the boss is going to spawn and the hidden treasure is at least.  To compensate for this, the free loot here is pretty awful. Go figure.  So we'll block it with this Laboratory I had lying around in my pockets.  And then we'll throw down another one to the far north.  Then we'll run out of rooms and so have to go and lubricate our Shovel for no real reason.  Floor 17 was super-short, and kinda awful, so we'll do a two-for-one as promised.  Your dungeon is getting pretty huge. Yeah, thanks. Now that it's that big, I wouldn't be surprised if you had a beast from Hell show up... A... beast from Hell?  Whoa... So if you see a beast from Hell, then it means the dungeon is almost deep enough to reach Hell itself. If you find a place like that, you should try placing an Altar and see if a wizard from Hell shows up. Are you trying to sell me more altars...? Hmph, yeah, yeah... And more...! If it's wizards you want, you might want to try some laboratories, too. If you want that wizard to show, try some fountains too... But anyway, that's not what I'm here to talk about. I wanted to recommend a new product. New furniture? What kind? Heh heh... Come on over to the shop. I guarantee you'll want it when you see what it is...Well, there's no point to not doing so. Interesting how he started off with something probably actually plot relevant but then remembered is character was "runs the store."  Still makes more sense than the previous floor. I'm sure you'll want this one... I'm talking about this Golden Chest. Golden Chest? I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't just steal the chest itself... Worry not! It's solidly fastened to the floor. You can place it in your dungeon without fear of theft... Great, sure, whatever. 9000G a pop isn't too bad and the best treasure is rather appealing...  Yeah, let's place some Laboratories. He also said to place some Altars and he mentioned something about Fountains. Wait a minute. Could that mean the Otter Wizard will be back?! You may be right. We'll worry about that later. For now, it's back to work we go.  We'll just throw down a few obvious rooms and some start building up in the top-left corner too. Run out of 1 square rooms after the second Altar though.  So, the Laboratory finally has something new in it. I know, I'm shocked too. Bone Wizards are undead losers who're never getting a turn.  Magic Donkeys are weird lookin' things that we two-shot with a Devastation and then anything else. They drop a useful new staff for Kate at least.  They also drop this sometimes. It's some new food of course.  And Bone Wizards mostly drop majorly outdated junk, and also this. It's still not great mind you.  The Killer Flowers in fields drop Seed Oil fairly often, but we actually get our first vial from an Iron Chest. Sure, why not.  You can tell that, by my expression!? Well, I found some Seed Oil... What can you cook with it? That goes well with Freshwater Fish. Stir-fry Freshwater Fish and Mushroom in the Seed Oil. I call this 'Mountain Saute' and it's my original recipe. Give it a try...!That's one...  Those are great in salads, but if you want them to taste even more incredible... You should boil them a little and toss in some Mole! Usually when you make a dish with meat and vegetables, the meat is the main ingredient... However, in this case, the Premium Carrot is the most important part. You only add meat so that the Carrot is even tastier! What an exquisite dish! Overall, the Mountain Saute is definitely more built for Kate since it improves everything important for her.  The Salad is more for Owen at first glance, but the Strength boost isn't great so I wouldn't actually bother unless I wanted MP and Speed.  Anyway, back in the hole and we get our Gold Key of course.  The Gold Chest's room is super gaudy but the armor it gives Kate is very much worth it.  Anyway, we just need to throw down some more rooms until we just run out and come back the next day.  Boss spawns but we'll make him wait a minute. Some of those new rooms were Fountains.  Which do contain Otter Wizards. Nothing fancy about them; they're basically identical to before but easier since we're way stronger. So, about that boss... Elephantom Hey, so, you say his HP? Only reason it displays 999 is because it can't show 4 digits. He actually has 1100! It's Elephantom, the elephant from Hell! We must be pretty close to the entrance to Hell... You should defeat that thing before it takes us back to Hell with it! I'll, of course, be hiding over there somewhere... Good luck! So, uh, it's basic attack hits everyone pretty drat hard and can stun. The Triclops wishes it was as strong as this thing. But lets make it worse...  Normally, Kate's go to move has been Lifesteal. The Elephantom is undead. Lifesteal heals it and hurts her instead! Her normal spells also are lucky to deal 20 damage so, uh, that makes it hard to figure out what to do here. Or does it? It's undead after all...  So, of course, Light spells will actually ruin its day. Or at least Kate chucking Light Bombs will. Owen will deal a whole 6 points of damage with the spell (1 with the bomb!) and Gloop will smack it for 9.  That just leaves its other attacks to contend with, huh?  As per the norm, it trades its area of effect fun for a more concentrated attack. More damage, chance to stun etc. etc.  And lastly, we have, uh, this. Fortunately, this is its least common attack.  Being a spell, it doesn't even really scratch Kate but ruins the other 2. Also being a spell, Owen can throw up barriers to reflect it.  It takes many a bomb, and the occasional whack with a giant stick, but eventually the Elephantom dies. Actually not a cakewalk for once, even if just because it requires a slight change in the strategy.  For our trouble, we get some new food and access to the 19th floor.  Gee, I wonder where the boss is going to be. That giant concentration of walls in the center isn't blatant funnelling or anything, no. ...We'll deal with this later. Sod it.  Hey we get Hellephant meat. What do I do with it? It's Elephantom meat. What, you don't know about it? I'm sure it'll be tasty just cooked, but I've never seen it before... You just cook it as is and make Roast Elephantom. That's all. You hear me? How is it that you know all that, just seeing it for the first time? Yeah, so, Elephantom meat is actually REALLY good for Owen, of course. Problem being this is the only piece we can get without doing something actively pointless or just using an Action Replay code.  ...Still gonna use it right away, though. Because it's worth it.  Actually just about run out of ingredients so for the 19th floor I might have to do some farming for items when you're not looking. Probably won't because I'm lazy, but we'll see.
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Something I was wondering, how does the game deal with you entering the dungeon each day? You don't have to walk down through every floor, and go down each hole, do you? Can you leave the dungeon and re-enter it?
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Jul 7, 2015 22:38
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So Owen just literally killed the guardian of Hell, an actively benign being whose only objective is to stop people from stupidly wandering into Hell, with absolutely no provocation only because he was digging there? And then he ate it, too? The more this game goes on the more I wonder if Owen really is the hero.
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Jul 8, 2015 00:10
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Nah, its job was stated to be stopping people from wandering into Hell while they're alive. By killing them. It's true that there's not much in the way of justification this time around, though.
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Jul 8, 2015 01:57
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We're digging a tunnel into Hell, huh? Make sure to bring snowballs to see how much of a chance they stand.
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Jul 8, 2015 11:00
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Gotta say, I liked that boss design. 
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Jul 8, 2015 11:08
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Blaze Dragon posted:So Owen just literally killed the guardian of Hell, an actively benign being whose only objective is to stop people from stupidly wandering into Hell, with absolutely no provocation only because he was digging there? And then he ate it, too? Who knew that giving kids, who don't have the most accurate moral compass, great strength or power might not be the best idea. Especially with a lack of direction for said power.
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Jul 8, 2015 14:25
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Blaze Dragon posted:So Owen just literally killed the guardian of Hell, an actively benign being whose only objective is to stop people from stupidly wandering into Hell, with absolutely no provocation only because he was digging there? And then he ate it, too? If he didn't want to die he probably shouldn't have entered the battle screen with Owen. I do find it funny that we're pretty much breaking into hell at this point to beat up the demon king. Probably shouldn't have sent your daughter/all those assassins.
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Jul 8, 2015 16:33
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Blaze Dragon posted:So Owen just literally killed the guardian of Hell, an actively benign being whose only objective is to stop people from stupidly wandering into Hell, with absolutely no provocation only because he was digging there? And then he ate it, too? Hey, as long as he's digging down and not up, he's the hero. Once he starts digging to heaven in the post-post-game, that's when you know he's the villain.
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Captain Bravo posted:Something I was wondering, how does the game deal with you entering the dungeon each day? You don't have to walk down through every floor, and go down each hole, do you? Can you leave the dungeon and re-enter it? Fortunately, no, you don't have to walk through every floor every single time. It's easy to forget since it hasn't come up since, but at the start of the 2nd floor you can buy a fast travel spell that lets you warp to the start of any floor. And once you leave, that's it for that day. Can't re-enter until going home and sleeping (eating is optional but recommended).
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 So, another day, another letter. At least this time they're sparse enough to be actually noteworthy.  ...Well, that's succinct. Seems a little early though. (So, he's coming at last...) What, just that one sentence? Well, at least it's to the point... The Devil Lord can't come if we make sure no Magic Hole opens up. Then let's open a Magic Hole! That's what I thought you'd say. After all, this is the end, right! The end... Not the end of us! The end of the Devil Lord! Umm... Yeah. Exactly.So for this, we just need to buy a bunch of rooms that'll be useful for this. Plush Beds, Chapels, Hearths, Fountains, Demon Cells...  So line up the Chapels and Demon Cells... maybe some Plush Beds and whatever...! I guess it doesn't have to be too big, as long as 50 monsters will fit! ...Why are there rooms already? Well, that's because I placed them after the Elephantom. Only, uh, I had to redo the second half of the previous floor because my recording actually glitched out before so I never got to remake these rooms. You didn't miss much, and we'll cover them as we go through.  Starting with another boss refight in the plush beds at the top.  Being regular dudes this time around, we can just not care for the Shogun Wolf's antics and have Kate Devestate him. Constantly.  Also their attacks if they ever get any are very underwhelming!  Down past more Plush Beds, we have some Chapels.  The Einherjar are, of course, named after those in Norse mythology that died in battle and were brought to the afterlife by the Valkyries. Which is why they're the Valkyrie model, not even paletteswapped, and somehow stronger. For a given definition of stronger, at least.  The big room at the bottom of the first long stretch was a Laboratory. It has nothing for us to care about.  The big rooms above here are two interconnected Fields. For stat grinding, you see.  The Demon Cells have these things in them now. They're not tough or anything...  But their one attack can stun someone rarely. It's something worth noting, I guess.  More importantly, they can Heal themselves.  Heading down and around now, we place a bunch of Hearths and Fountains. Lots of Hearths and Fountains, even. We just line the corridor with them until we run out of both.  Meanwhile over in the bottom right corner, we get some Olive Oil for Shovel. It's also shortly after this that a rarity occurs and Shovel runs out of MP!  So, we need to fix that and in doing so we'll polish him one last time. His MP hits 99 which IS the cap so there's no more magical polish available ever.  ....Um. No, you didn't miss anything. Day 2 of actually really doing this floor begins with the boss appearing. Well, okay then.  Like the Elephantom he has more than 1000 HP. His actual amount is 1165.  Just a mere child... Please, take this Devil Emblem. It belonged to your son. It's a memento to remember him by. A memento...? A keepsake, to remember the deceased by. Don't Devils mourn their dead like humans do...? No. We don't. I'll let you beg for your lives, if you want... You know the drill. Get on your knees and beg... shed some tears... all that great stuff. Go on, now...! We wouldn't have lured you into our dungeon if we just wanted to beg for our lives...! Very well. You'll be coming back to Hell with me either way. You can beg for mercy from my son and daughter. they're waiting for you to arrive...! Ha ha ha! So, the Devil Lord's actually quite difficult. At least he is with our current stats.  And of course he hits us with a multi-target Light element spell right out the gate. No point in bringing Light resistance because it won't help with everything else.  This, uh, this is Kate's Lifesteal damage. It's still her best option. I'm suddenly feeling less optimistic about this.  But, yknow, for now we'll focus on defence and buffs. Because they're gonna be needed I reckon.  The good news with this is that the Royal Punch is a single-target attack.  The bad news is just about everyting else! That's over half Gloop and Owen's max HP AND over Kate's max.  ...And this is Owen's damage AFTER being buffed. Forget what I said before about being less optimistic. Pretty sure I'm not winning this.  This doesn't help either, but it's just a sealing spell so it's not new at least.  Oh, and it's a small thing but he does have a normal basic attack as well.  But then when he gets low on health he adds this.  Thankfully the damage output isn't too terrible, but the amount he heals is the problem. Since our MP is finite and his, well, isn't even with Owen throwing out Barriers every turn if he spams this enough (and he will) then he'll heal more than we can keep up with. And once Kate also runs out of MP, our damage output is basically non-existant.  Or her HP could hit 0 and this could happen. That is also very quite bad!  Needless to say, Owen soon followed. And as soon as Owen's HP hits 0, the fight automatically ends.  And when that happens, it's not a game over (thankfully). Instead, we just run far, far away. Like start of the dungeon far away. Several days later... Devil Lord On your knees, you pitiful children! Much better. It just took about a week or two of grinding food to improve stats but I think we can manage this now.  Owen's output isn't exactly stellar still, but it's 1700% larger than it was so it'll do. The Devil Lord's attacks are the same as before so with our capability to actually not get destroyed immediately (except Gloop, who's limited to whatever he can mimic and thus sucks the later you get)...  We can actually keep pace with the guy now, and this eventually follows. It's still not easy or anything, but it's significantly less tedious.  I probably didn't need to grind for the guy, to be honest, but I got so lazy with it that I just stopped worrying about food for the last few floors. Also I sort of couldn't be bothered at this point doing anything but lazily bruteforcing it. End .....How is there more to this?! Y'know what? Don't care. Leaving.  after this Is that it? Was that our last job? Uh... Are you two kidding!? A Dungeon Digger's job is never done! Overflowing with monsters... Only then can the town be safe! Not just the town, but the Kingdom! In fact, the entire world is at risk! It's a global issue. We gotta keep on hunting... for world peace!Can't I at least go dig another different dungeon at this point? I'm sick of this one. It sucks.  also grabbing this NOW we leave!  Dungeons can't go any lower than 20 floors underground! No, seriously? The 20th floor marks the border between this world and the next. If we dig any deeper, we'll find ourselves in Hell! It's right underneath us, after all... Oh, okay I get it. So they can come back to life...? You mean the Apple Viper and that Flamesaurus we beat? Or even King Leon? It's... insane...It is pretty dumb. The 20th floor exists for one reason and one reason alone: perpetual grinding. The boss spawn point her randomly generates any of the bosses we've beaten previously (except the Otter Wizard and Shogun Wolf, of course) but stronger. This is solely so you can farm them for items, equipment and Gloop body parts. Which now serve no purpose other than farming items, equipment and Gloop body parts slightly faster in a perpetual cycle of awful grinding. While we can actually get 1 new room and a handful of new random enemies in the process, it's just not substantial enough to be worth bothering with. Instead, I have a better layout for my 20th floor... 
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So there's actually no ending to this? The 10th floor was the closest thing to one?
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Hah, thanks for doing this LP. This was a cute game. Not exactly complex or anything, but nice.
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I actually like that ending, because it basically spells out that the Demon Lord was full of crap. Sure, we killed his son, but he just went back to hell and is now perfectly fine. In the end, all we really did was wound their ego. And even worse, we accomplished their objective for them! We cracked a loving hole into hell so now they can come and go as they please. In the end, the dungeon digger was the true bad guy! 
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Dr. Fetus posted:So there's actually no ending to this? The 10th floor was the closest thing to one? Unfortunately, yeah. The post-game just... stops with infinite grinding. Sort of appropriate, but also vaguely disappointing. I coulda sworn there was another scene after the 19th floor, but no such luck.
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Oh my god, this page is killing my browser. I can't read the last update becuase half the images won't load. What's that link to load just one specific forums post without the rest of the thread again?
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He wasn't joking about begging them for forgiveness eh
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HenryEx posted:What's that link to load just one specific forums post without the rest of the thread again? That's here. Hopefully it'll work with that.
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