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horse mans posted:i watched one guy use a complex piece of software for five minutes and it didn't immediately live up to my exacting expectations actually, it was at least two agonizing hours, which he spent holding down arrow keys and slooowly typing things out. he did such an advanced thing as record and use a macro. once. I guess good job having such an advanced piece of software that a guy who has used it for twenty years has determined that holding down arrow keys and typing each letter of everything by hand is the appropriate way to use it. rofl.
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Bloody posted:actually, it was at least two agonizing hours, which he spent holding down arrow keys and slooowly typing things out. he did such an advanced thing as record and use a macro. once. I guess good job having such an advanced piece of software that a guy who has used it for twenty years has determined that holding down arrow keys and typing each letter of everything by hand is the appropriate way to use it. rofl. lol i strongly recommend that emacs and its users be purged from this world, but you are a maroon if u think that it takes hours to type poo poo in it, or actualyl if anything is true in the post u just made. but either way, yes, emacs sux. Awia posted:i downloaded emacs for windows because of this thread try vim if you really want a headache but the incredible joy of increased speed in editing once you figure out how to use it, as well as a certain smugness of being part of a club of spergs who live and die by vi/m. at the end of the day this is like the coffee/tea argument; neither one is objectively better, it's just a preference
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note that there is an exception to the coffee/tea problem mentioned above: rare steak is objectively better than any other way of cooking it 
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Bloody posted:actually, it was at least two agonizing hours, which he spent holding down arrow keys and slooowly typing things out. he did such an advanced thing as record and use a macro. once. I guess good job having such an advanced piece of software that a guy who has used it for twenty years has determined that holding down arrow keys and typing each letter of everything by hand is the appropriate way to use it. rofl. the only thing more offensive than your ignorance is how readily you expound on things you don't understand
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I am literally just sharing a story about pair programming with an emacs user and all the ways in which it is awful.
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if he had used vim he'd prolly be doing the same thing
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i am the geron
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May 9, 2015 17:49
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comedyblissoption posted:if he had used vim he'd prolly be doing the same thing yeah hes probably just an idiot using a tool wrong or poorly but w/e
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all i know is that me on vim is vastly superior to him on emacs.
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this works on so many levels, 8/10
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Bloody posted:yeah hes probably just an idiot using a tool wrong or poorly but w/e maybe he was just nervous to be in your presence
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May 9, 2015 19:04
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horse mans posted:i watched one guy use a complex piece of software for five minutes and it didn't immediately live up to my exacting expectations This is exactly why emacs sucks btw
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posted from my emacs browser
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horse mans posted:you're absolutely right, and in a lot of places it can afford to get so much better. the new package management system and being able to rely on good modern core libraries like dash, helm, etc, means that functionally all the new shiny stuff is well maintained and easy to improve and understand, and is more likely to make it into core (which happens more often than most people think) how is spacemacs hor semen i like vim but neovim is too far away
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Malcolm XML posted:how is spacemacs hor semen spacemacs is good. if you like vim and want something better try spacemacs. wizened emacs users wont like it because they already have their own emacs setup but if you're a new emacs user and you want emacs + vim + really good helm/projectile integration try spacemacs
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vim 4 lyfe (if only because of the hours I put in to my .vimrc)
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May 10, 2015 01:59
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bump to continue the deiscussion on this important issue
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gonna try again to switch to spacemacs so i dont get emacs pinky
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emacs is a really neat piece of software which is incredibly let down by the refusal of the community to actually produce workable default configurations. emacs-starter-kit was a decent non-offensive default for a while, but then they apparently felt that it was a mistake to allow people to use emacs without learning elisp and collapsed it back down into something unusable in fact, just read this unbelievable poo poo: quote:Older versions of the Starter Kit attempted to be one-size-fits-all codebase intended to be dropped into your ~/.emacs.d directory wholesale. While this proved very popular, taking a big bundle of unrelated functionality leads to simply adopting things without developing any real understanding. When something goes wrong or even just behaves differently from what you'd like, you don't know where to look to fix it. that is what is wrong with emacs right there
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May 10, 2015 20:11
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one thing that ticks me off about spacemacs is that it takes a good while to start up
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:emacs is a really neat piece of software which is incredibly let down by the refusal of the community to actually produce workable default configurations. emacs-starter-kit was a decent non-offensive default for a while, but then they apparently felt that it was a mistake to allow people to use emacs without learning elisp and collapsed it back down into something unusable i've gone down that path too, i keep wanting to put together a nice decent out of box experience with minimal configuration it's possible for emacs to be both sanely configured by default and allow people to get their hands dirty when they need to extend it but most people are too focused on how they use emacs rather than finding a way to make it usable for everyone
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i took myself halfway through the evil tutor in spacemacs yesterday and i can't get over not resting my right hand on jkl; instead of hjkl my brain 
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no that sounds right. i keep index on J. unless im reading your post backwards (afternoon drunk)
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i guess because hjkl are the movement keys i assumed i should keep fingers on them all the time eh
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my stepdads beer posted:i guess because hjkl are the movement keys i assumed i should keep fingers on them all the time No, don't do that.
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a coworker just linked me to this. i haven't watched it yet but he told me it was interesting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWD1Fpdd4Pc
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cool 40 min video on editors let me just... click the .. play button..
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pram posted:cool 40 min video on editors let me just... click the .. play button.. NOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Flat Daddy posted:gonna try again to switch to spacemacs so i dont get emacs pinky alternatively rebind it with autohotkey or emacs or something
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compuserved posted:a coworker just linked me to this. i haven't watched it yet but he told me it was interesting. this guy describes my experience of trying to use vim to work on a nactual code base exactly you cant
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comedyblissoption posted:use your palm to hit left ctrl instead of your pinky USB pedal actually
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my stepdads beer posted:i guess because hjkl are the movement keys i assumed i should keep fingers on them all the time why would you be arrowing around like a notepad user
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Smythe posted:USB pedal actually
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Smythe posted:USB pedal actually for when you want to put the pedal close tothe metal
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wanna see a guy with a flightsim setup using one of these stupid fuckin note pad on steroids things you guys care about
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Church of Emacs Main article: Editor war Richard Stallman as St IGNUcius, a saint in the "Church of Emacs" The "Church of Emacs", formed by Richard Stallman, is a parody religion created for Emacs users.[33] While it refers to vi as the "editor of the beast" (vi-vi-vi being 6-6-6 in Roman numerals), it does not oppose the use of vi; rather, it calls proprietary software anathema. ("Using a free version of vi is not a sin but a penance."[34]) The Church of Emacs has its own newsgroup, alt.religion.emacs,[35] that has posts purporting to support this parody religion. Supporters of vi have created an opposing "Cult of vi", argued by some Emacs users to be an attempt to "ape their betters". Stallman has jokingly referred to himself as St IGNUcius, a saint in the Church of Emacs.[36] Regarding vi's modal nature, some Emacs users joke that vi has two modes – "beep repeatedly" and "break everything". vi users enjoy joking that Emacs's key-sequences induce carpal tunnel syndrome, or mentioning one of many satirical expansions of the acronym EMACS, such as "Escape Meta Alt Control Shift" (a jab at Emacs's reliance on modifier keys).[37] As a poke at Emacs' extensive programmability, vi advocates have been known to describe Emacs as "a great operating system, lacking only a decent editor".
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it is v sad to me that our Lord and Savior, Richard Manbreast Stallman, has decided to abandon the motto "it does one thing, and it does it well" and go for emacs, bloatware to a scale not seen since bonzai buddy
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echinopsis posted:[37] As a poke at Emacs' extensive programmability, vi advocates have been known to describe Emacs as "a great operating system, lacking only a decent editor". I say this all the time at work
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