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Spoiler tags? Do we do spoiler tags? I'll use spoiler tags just to be safe. I had heard the buzz about how Fury Road was a feminist-empowering film (or however you want to phrase it) before I went to watch it, so it definitely threw me for a loop that they had to rescue a half-dozen literal supermodels wearing not much more than rags. Also, I do know some of my girl friends that didn't really like it, saying that even though the women weren't objectified and the cinematography wasn't done with a male gaze, it was still very much an action movie with guns and explosions and stuff that mostly only appeals to male audiences*, just that it wasn't offensively bad towards women while it was doing all that. * Insofar as the segregation of media into "male-appealing" and "female-appealing" is also a gendered construct.
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May 27, 2015 14:44
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gradenko_2000 posted:Spoiler tags? Do we do spoiler tags? I'll use spoiler tags just to be safe. lol
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May 27, 2015 14:45
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paradoxGentleman posted:Everywhere I look I hear people saying how much Fury Road is a great movie and that is great to see a female in a leading role in an action movie... with the exception of one, that is absolutely convinced that the opposite is true. Well it does make the mistake of assuming that certain traits are inherently gendered, which isn't a brand of feminism or even a POV that I'd consider particularly coherent. It's the same view that another feminist critic recently took and many people disagree on the idea of things like "violence" and "vehicle skills" somehow being masculine. Also I dunno where it came from but I wouldn't really put much stock in an anonymous Google doc? Just saying 
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May 27, 2015 14:46
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MikeCrotch posted:I went LARPing at the weekend and lost count of the number of times I heard "Witness Me!", "I live! I die! I live again!" and "What a day! What a lovely day!" when fighting. It wasn't LT, was it?
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May 27, 2015 14:47
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Serf posted:Also I dunno where it came from but I wouldn't really put much stock in an anonymous Google doc? Just saying I'm guessing that was a c&p as to not give the actual source hits.
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May 27, 2015 14:51
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Serf posted:Also I dunno where it came from but I wouldn't really put much stock in an anonymous Google doc? Just saying It was linked by Bogleech, a person whose art and worldbuilding style I very much enjoy, whose principles I generally agree with but whose opinions and methods sometime take me aback. It was apparently written by his girlfriend, who he agrees with. I still haven't watched the movie so I can't form an opinion as of right now, but I was just so surprised that it could give two so very different impressions on people, even by Internet standards.
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May 27, 2015 14:53
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No, that whole thing is pretty much a purposeful misinterpretation of the movie's themes and the things that actually happen on-screen. Go see Fury Road.
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May 27, 2015 14:56
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Evil Mastermind posted:No, that whole thing is pretty much a purposeful misinterpretation of the movie's themes and the things that actually happen on-screen. I cannot refuse an order next to a picture of the Mayor. It will be done.
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May 27, 2015 14:59
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Doodmons posted:It wasn't LT, was it? Empire. Don't know if LT had the same problem but I wouldn't be surprised - i'd have to ask my mates who went. It helps for Empire that reincarnation is pretty much the biggest thing in the PC's religion, so "I live, I die, I live again!" could pretty much be the motto for the entire PC nation.
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paradoxGentleman posted:It was linked by Bogleech, a person whose art and worldbuilding style I very much enjoy, whose principles I generally agree with but whose opinions and methods sometime take me aback. It was apparently written by his girlfriend, who he agrees with. I still haven't watched the movie so I can't form an opinion as of right now, but I was just so surprised that it could give two so very different impressions on people, even by Internet standards. Like I said, the crux of the argument has been said before by a prominent feminist critic, which caused a lot of backlash by people who enjoyed the movie. There is a branch of feminism that believes certain concepts can be coded by gender, but those are usually associated with older, less-inclusive kinds of feminists who are not people I agree with. Things like Furiosa's anger and martial skills are seen by them as masculine traits, which is pretty ridiculous. Women have been mad and warriors for just as long as any other gender, the concepts are not exclusive to men. Also, they gloss over the best parts of Furiosa's prosthesis, which I was very impressed by as an amputee. The movie treated its amputee character way better than most other films. Evil Mastermind posted:Go see Fury Road.
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May 27, 2015 15:04
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Is Fury Road feminets enough? Is Furby Robe femunim? Fenger Rolls femnem? Fump Rop flengy? Fib ra fumfum?
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May 27, 2015 15:04
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Is fury road paul blarr mall blarr?!
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May 27, 2015 15:06
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MikeCrotch posted:Is fury road paul blarr mall blarr?!
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May 27, 2015 15:07
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Serf posted:Also, they gloss over the best parts of Furiosa's prosthesis, which I was very impressed by as an amputee. The movie treated its amputee character way better than most other films. While watching the film I was wondering how they did the effects for her prosthesis. Apparently the answer is 'paint Charlize Theron's forearm green'.
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May 27, 2015 15:07
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go see fury road, literally the worst that can happen is you feel like you wasted $15 and two hours of your life (this won't happen tho)
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May 27, 2015 15:08
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MikeCrotch posted:While watching the film I was wondering how they did the effects for her prosthesis. Apparently the answer is 'paint Charlize Theron's forearm green'. Yeah, and that effect was fantastic with how many times it moved from light to shadow and was in motion. Whenever it was onscreen I was watching it and never noticed the effect itself messing up. The more impressive part to me was just how they never used it in one of the many expected ways. They never explained it, no one ever stared at it, the camera never lingered on it, she never had it taken away from her and it never broke. It was just a part of her and that's really amazing to be honest.
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May 27, 2015 15:10
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I'm not the first person to bring this up, but it bears mentioning that a) Fury Road is a good movie, b) Fury road is a good action movie, and c) Fury Road is a feminist movie. There's quite a bit of overlap in that particular Venn diagram, but they're all distinct points worth discussing.
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May 27, 2015 15:15
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gradenko_2000 posted:Spoiler tags? Do we do spoiler tags? I'll use spoiler tags just to be safe. Like, if your criticism is that it's an action movie with attractive people then I dunno.
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May 27, 2015 15:16
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Zurui posted:Like, if your criticism is that it's an action movie with attractive people then I dunno.
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May 27, 2015 15:18
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FMguru posted:"Feminism" means "ugly chicks", doncha know.
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May 27, 2015 15:20
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Zurui posted:Like, if your criticism is that it's an action movie with attractive people then I dunno.
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May 27, 2015 15:21
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Zurui posted:Like, if your criticism is that it's an action movie with attractive people then I dunno. Don't forget criticism of an action movie for having... action. There's a lot to criticize in action movies, but having violence and explosions is sorta core to the genre.
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May 27, 2015 15:23
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Why would you take someone saying "well this character was only raped by one person, that's not as bad off as these people i've made up" seriously?
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May 27, 2015 15:25
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*in the blue djinn from that gorillaz music video voice* Finally, someone let me out of my cage. Now time for me to discuss feminism in movies and games.
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May 27, 2015 15:29
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I ain't happy, I'm feeling GLAAD
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May 27, 2015 15:42
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[in Plutonis voice] After ten thousand years I'm free! Time to make bad posts!
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May 27, 2015 15:46
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Del the Funky Homosapien.
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May 27, 2015 16:15
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BrainParasite posted:Del the Funky Homosapien. Yes
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May 27, 2015 17:34
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Serf posted:The more impressive part to me was just how they never used it in one of the many expected ways. They never explained it, no one ever stared at it, the camera never lingered on it, she never had it taken away from her and it never broke. It was just a part of her and that's really amazing to be honest. I think it got destroyed in the final battle, but otherwise yeah.
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May 27, 2015 20:56
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Bucnasti posted:Also a friend of ours runs LARPS, and he seriously want's to run a Spirit of 77 LARP at the next con. I'm still not sure how I feel about that. Doesn't your game use PbtA? Maybe I'm missing something, but that doesn't seem like it'd translate well into a LARP.
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May 27, 2015 21:03
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MikeCrotch posted:Is fury road paul blarr mall blarr?!
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Plague of Hats posted:I think it got destroyed in the final battle, but otherwise yeah. Only because she chose to use it that way. Another sad cliche is the weaponization of prosthetic limbs (which can be effective, trust me). But the movie went the whole time with her just using it like a regular limb, I think she earned the right to use it to kill Joe.
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May 27, 2015 21:14
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gradenko_2000 posted:Spoiler tags? Do we do spoiler tags? I'll use spoiler tags just to be safe. lmao
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May 27, 2015 21:14
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man, I was interested in Fury Road, but now that I realize it has some deeply problematic tropes I feel safe in my decision to just ignore it completely and feel contempt for any who do not follow suit.
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May 27, 2015 22:49
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MikeCrotch posted:Is fury road paul blarr mall blarr?! Yes.
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Bedlamdan posted:man, I was interested in Fury Road, but now that I realize it has some deeply problematic tropes I feel safe in my decision to just ignore it completely and feel contempt for any who do not follow suit. 
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May 27, 2015 22:56
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Oh my loving God, I am crying here.
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May 27, 2015 22:57
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ok, yeah, you got me, Doof Warrior alone justified the entire ticket price.
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