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we'll see if this last-ditch thing gets accepted. my guess is it won't be, they'll await the results of the referendum to put the screws in further why give any concessions when you can give none at all
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Regarde Aduck posted:It seems to be over anyway. Greece blinked. If there's one thing that thread has taught me is that German posters are a bunch of bastards.
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Can't wait for Deutsche Bank to loving collapse.
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V. Illych L. posted:we'll see if this last-ditch thing gets accepted. my guess is it won't be, they'll await the results of the referendum to put the screws in further Await Gaussian masturbation over how strong Merkel is.
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Pesmerga posted:Await Gaussian masturbation 
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Pesmerga posted:Await Gaussian masturbation over how strong Merkel is. no no he wuvs "wolfi" not merkel
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Shoulda saved a nuke for germany in 1945 imo
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Oberleutnant posted:Shoulda saved a nuke for germany in 1945 imo
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http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jul/01/invite-lonely-elderly-strangers-home-jeremy-huntquote:People should consider inviting elderly strangers to live with them for a while to reduce isolation and the number of pensioners dying a “lonely death”, the health secretary, Jeremy Hunt, will say in a speech.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Can't wait for Deutsche Bank to loving collapse. Seriously, how they're managing to get away with their exposure to debt is ridiculous.
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LemonDrizzle posted:http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jul/01/invite-lonely-elderly-strangers-home-jeremy-hunt I invite any aging tory to come live with me. Young too. I'll stand by them till the end of their lives. tdrules posted:Seriously, how they're managing to get away with their exposure to debt is ridiculous. They've been teetering on it for years to the point where I think they're just teasing me. I'd love to hear Germany do a full 180 on how to handle debt when they're forced to bail out their own banks. Gonzo McFee fucked around with this message at 14:12 on Jul 1, 2015 |
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LemonDrizzle posted:http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jul/01/invite-lonely-elderly-strangers-home-jeremy-hunt 
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Regarde Aduck posted:It seems to be over anyway. Greece blinked. Or Germany can just come out and say "HAH, NO!" and continue their stance of refusing to properly negotiate with the democratically elected government of Greece. EU doing their best to turn me into a "leave the EU" voter lately.
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my guess is that the referendum will go ahead, will get a NO, Greece defaults but remains in the Eurozone so it will turn out that Germany has de facto bailed out Germany anyway, and now they will have an ECB balance sheet problem to deal with; Greece will have bought itself three more years and a leftist government to navigate its way out of insolvency. as the history the UK Labour Party itself should tell you, that isn't impossible but it certainly causes a ruckus within that party as those who believe in budgetary limits, and those who have some rather more imaginative macroeconomics, battle for control of the party via obscure internal party procedures ronya fucked around with this message at 15:38 on Jul 1, 2015 |
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I do hope Greece goes Full Socialism and gets nationalised everything, starting a new communist revolution across Europe.
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I think Protocol 1 Article 1 of the ECHR prohibits that
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ronya posted:I think Protocol 1 Article 1 of the ECHR prohibits that Arseholes to that as well? From the sounds of it Greece could do with having as little to do with the EU as possible. Or do you mean there's specifically a bit in the ECHR what says "no starting communist revolutions in Europe or you get a nasty letter"
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OwlFancier posted:I do hope Greece goes Full Socialism and gets nationalised everything, starting a new communist revolution across Europe. lol
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ronya posted:I think Protocol 1 Article 1 of the ECHR prohibits that Actually, it doesn't specifically prohibit expropriation and nationalisation: quote:(1) Every natural or legal person is entitled to the peaceful enjoyment of his possessions. No one shall be deprived of his possessions except in the public interest and subject to the conditions provided for by law and by the general principles of international law. Arguably, it'd probably be hard to expropriate franchised out services, though; the franchisee would probably sue for breach of contract, and probably win, with or without ISDS.
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My post-war history is a bit spotty but wasn't that what gave us the NHS and a massive house-building program? Can't help but feel like neoliberalism and housing bubbles are precisely the opposite way to climb out from an economic hole.
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quote:For each of these liberties is proclaimed as the absolute right of the French citoyen, but always with the marginal note that it is unlimited so far as it is not limited by the “equal rights of others and the public safety” or by “laws” which are intended to mediate just this harmony of the individual liberties with one another and with the public safety. lol
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OwlFancier posted:My post-war history is a bit spotty but wasn't that what gave us the NHS and a massive house-building program? Thatcher, Reagan, Clinton and Blair just happened to be in the right place at the right time.
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Venomous posted:Thatcher, Reagan, Clinton and Blair just happened to be in the right place at the right time. Not sure if sarcasm, I was a babby when blair got elected so I don't remember much about the time.
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OwlFancier posted:Not sure if sarcasm, I was a babby when blair got elected so I don't remember much about the time.
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Operation Stack has gone into phase 4. gently caress.
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the immediate postwar period 1946-1949 was gripped by austerity and exacerbated by strikes and an overvalued sterling, although it should be noted that what austerity meant in this period was a shortage of US dollars generated by exports to pay for imports (such concreteness was more natural in the age of the planned economy). In any case it was easy enough to pay the bills when a certain Lord JM Keynes (you may have heard of him) negotiated away $20 billion in Lend-Lease debt and then borrowed $3.75 billion more from the Americans.
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TinTower posted:Actually, it doesn't specifically prohibit expropriation and nationalisation: True, it doesn't prohibit nationalization. However, communists generally envision nationalization to be without due compensation for the taking, whereas ECHR jurisprudence holds that the ideal compromise between individual right to property and the public interest is where "the compensation paid to the person whose property has been taken is reasonably related to its “market” value, as determined at the time of the expropriation." (Pincová and Pinc v. the Czech Republic). How much 'reasonably' is, exactly, is a bit iffy, but it's not 'zero'. The Court's enthusiasm for expansive public interest interpretations tends to be affected by Turkey's vast creativity in concocting reasons to expropriate properties which are entirely coincidentally held by religious minorities. In any case, since OwlFancier advocates wholesale secession from Strasbourg, this is irrelevant anyway.
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Dead Goon posted:Horribly warm. 
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JFairfax posted:which one of you was this: Seaside Loafer's elderly uncle no doubt.
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There was a ten-minute monsoon in the middle of the day and that just made it worse, it went from too loving hot to too loving hot and sweaty.
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Luckily the weather's supposedly to be less hot tomorrow in the only place that matters (wherever i am at a given moment) and we might get some storms to clear out the humidity on fri/sat. It was a nice summer but i'm ready for autumn now.
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I was working up a sweat just painting my 'hams. In the Grim Darkness of the far future there is only a distracting sense of the sweat dribbling down you whilst you try not to get Averland Sunset all over the shop. Sweat for the sweat god, stickiness for the sticky chair.
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Its been warm up here (nowhere near as bad as down south though thankfully) but very very humid and cloudy, which is the worst part of it since its not even a nice day. I went out for ten minutes to buy bread for my mum and honestly felt like I'd been out for a lot longer; although that might also be because somehow I have a cold which doesn't Can we please not quote that pasty post again, its genuinely the first thing that I've ever read that makes me feel physically sick just reading it. Although that might be because I first read it while eating a Greggs bridie, and I think that everyone would react in a similar way after that.
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ronya posted:my guess is that the referendum will go ahead, will get a NO, Greece defaults but remains in the Eurozone Hard to see how they can launch the alternative currency necessary to do that without goodwill from any of the other Euzone governments.
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Bloody 33 degrees here. Fair near boiled my arse off on the bus. Also yes, body, I really need you to produce a steady stream of green itchy mucus from my tear ducts because you can't comprehend the idea of pollen. That really helps my mood. Never been so happy in my life to just get home, turn the cold tap on the bath, and just lay in it until I go numb. Do you think if you grind up piriton and do rails of it it works better than just taking the pills? OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 18:36 on Jul 1, 2015 |
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namesake posted:Hard to see how they can launch the alternative currency necessary to do that without goodwill from any of the other Euzone governments. You think the EU don't desperately want the Drachma to happen? are you paying attention?
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IceAgeComing posted:Can we please not quote that pasty post again, its genuinely the first thing that I've ever read that makes me feel physically sick just reading it. Although that might be because I first read it while eating a Greggs bridie, and I think that everyone would react in a similar way after that. I laughed heartily when I read the post because people with mental health difficulties are a constant source of mirth to me. I was also reminded of it at lunchtime today, while I sat eating a Greggs pasty. It made me laugh again.
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