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Xoidanor posted:The thing is that the first season of Dexter was actually good, it's worrying that Mr. Robot is hitting so many of the same beats because Dexter had no longevity. That said, the only gripe I really have about the show is yet-another-Dexter parallel. In episode 3 he focuses on "bugs" which he describes at the start and then talks about through the whole episode to the point where you forget why he's even talking about them so all his metaphorical speak becomes pointless and easily disregarded. Obvious per-episode focused monologues like that are not exclusive to Dexter but boy oh boy do they get annoying really fast and they got annoying super fast in Dexter.
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Xoidanor posted:This episode was a complete waste of time. No cinematography in the world is going to save 40 minutes of uneventful and confusing nonsense with breadcrumbs of plot at the beginning and the end. I have no earthly clue what the rest of you in this thread found compelling about this. Trabant posted:During the "Here's the plan" conversation with everyone, I became convinced that the members of fsociety were just fragments of his personality. Buuut, that doesn't really hold up given Darlene's actual physical existence. Or maybe she's the only other real one? Also the daemon stuff was this episode's "thing the narrative focuses on" and gently caress I really hope they don't overdo that. DaveKap fucked around with this message at 10:27 on Jul 17, 2015 |
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Hey, so, just so we're all clear... Was the pilot created without the rest of the series already written? Here's why I ask this: Once upon a time there was a very fantastic pilot for a semi-fantastic series called "Dead Like Me." In the pilot episode, certain rules were set up, inferences to specific information made, and a world built on a few simple ideas. Unfortunately, after the pilot was created and the series greenlit, someone else came in as the primary writing staff and actually blurred the lines on a few hard rules, messed with specific information, and kinda made the whole idea of what was going on behind the scenes of the built world into something that was more of a shrug than a fact. The show died after 2 seasons and I'm actually convinced it's because they did so little to reveal, twist, and cliff-hang more of the interesting ideas of what happens in the afterlife. In other words, the meta-plot barely moved and it couldn't without the rules of the pilot. Why am I talking about some other show? In the same stroke as I think Dead Like Me died because of a twist on the original intent of the writing, I'm uncertain if the same fate may be bestowed upon Mr. Robot. What I'm primarily focusing on here is the very first thing we're told. "What I'm about to tell you is top secret... There's a powerful group of people out there that are secretly running the world... The top 1% of the top 1%." as it shows us Evilcorp Bateman with his 11 lawyers. It's unreliable narration, sure, but we're immediately led into believing that the 12 people we're seeing are the group of powerful people running the world. As we get the final scene of the pilot, we believe Elliot is about to meet these people. If this pilot was its own production before the show was greenlit, then it isn't until said greenlighting that the second episode is written as a twist; these aren't the most powerful people and their "leader," Bateman, isn't even very powerful himself (as we come to discover in episode 3.) To be honest, this was in itself a let down. I wanted them to be the group of shadow leaders; like The Cabal from The Blacklist but made apparent early on. Did anyone else actually think or hope that they would be? Was anyone else let down that they weren't?
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Sober posted:I don't know the specifics of DLM, but didn't Fuller leave after the first season? In effect, you had what I assume was a pretty mythology-laden show but was then run by someone who didn't create it and presumably didn't know what to do with it but had to run with it anyway. That said, the other chatter about Esmail knowing where the show is going and having an ending drawn up for ~5 seasons down the line is a great thing considering how well that worked for Breaking Bad and, to a lesser extent (primarily because I don't know how far ahead of time they planned it,) The Shield. Watching the "Conversation with Mr. Robot" video seems to indicate that the pilot was shot with a different crew as a separate piece but the folks they brought in for the season are doing a fine job of producing as closely to the pilot as they can. Primarily I'm referring to the director. So yeah, I'm not doom and gloom about the show, I'm still looking forward to all of it. Just drop the weird per-episode narrative focuses and move the A-plot along a bit faster (or make the B-plot a bit more important to the A-plot) and it'll be difficult to fail. DaveKap fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Jul 19, 2015 |
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So this episode was loving amazing. Did anyone catch just how many parallels to Breaking Bad were presented? It's like every scene was some climax from a Breaking Bad episode. You've got Elliot being targeted by a criminal element, sneaking into the enemy's facility to plant something, straight up telling a person they're worthless, someone calling up someone else to tell them a lie so major that it distracts them from their day-to-day, a bad rear end "I framed you, deal with it" moment, drug-life character turns clean then gets into deep poo poo almost immediately, protag pretending to be friendly with the enemy then having a nervous breakdown mid-mission... gently caress I'm still typing this and I haven't even gotten to the "person breaks bad due to cancer bills" part! Someone says something blatantly offensive during dinner, a major plan gets blown to poo poo.... gently caress okay, I'm done. Seriously, this is the Breaking Bad episode and I loved it. It pretty much makes up for the "3x longer than it needed to be" dream sequence and then some. Speaking of that dream sequence, I think the only reason nobody here is analyzing it is because it's one of those classic "if you try to interpret this, only 10% of you will be correct because most of it is either misleading, pointless, or will only end up mattering in future episodes anyway" types of scenes that, let's face it, we're sick of. All the foreshadowing from Arrested Development and most of it from Breaking Bad was only really enjoyable when you got it presented to you in a Buzzfeed listicle; trying to figure it out live is a pain. As for Mr. Durden, there's one big fat reason why I want to say he's a real person. In that interview video, Slater seems to really enjoy the work he's doing and a lot of fans are watching the show because of him, apparently. It wouldn't make much sense to get rid of such a popular character (gently caress, the show's named after him so he's obviously in for the long haul) while also holding out for the Durden reveal until a point past season 1. So really, the only way Slater can stick around is if Elliot acknowledges the Durden and then treats it as an acceptable thing but then we have to watch him do his stupid poo poo in the future and still feel OK about Elliot as a main character? Nah, that works as well as having the Durdening stay a secret for longer than a season: it doesn't at all. DaveKap fucked around with this message at 11:18 on Jul 23, 2015 |
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Wax Lion posted:I know everyone is saying the show intends to play with the idea that Mr. Robot isn't real but what if it doesn't? That's my big worry. Like what if the creator thinks he's got this twist locked and loaded and he thinks he's going to blow our minds? I trust the show a lot, but I have trouble imagining how anyone can pull off what they're trying here. I've read Dexter tried a Tyler Durden character and it was hated. Can television actually support that sort of structure? So yeah, this is this thread's version of "analyzing the dream sequence." We're really just re-analyzing if Mr. Robot is real. Also making fun of the guy who said he loves the show but might drop it next episode. Also, yes, Dexter's version of it was that his opponent in one season, Tom Hanks's son, had his own ghost dad to parallel Dexter's ghost dad. It was obvious and everyone caught it early on so when it was revealed, most folks just rolled their eyes. That wasn't the biggest reason to hate the show at the time, though. By that season's airing, enough had transpired in the previous season to help plenty of folks realize that Season 4 was a fluke and we probably weren't getting anything good again from the show. DivisionPost posted:if this was just about shock, I promise, absolutely none of this poo poo would be in play.
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Cactus posted:How did Mr. Robot know Elliot was just about to apologise to that guy?
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Doctor Butts posted:The soundtrack isn't original, though, is it? In the last episode at there end, the music played had to have been from an 80's movie. I think it was risky business or something else.
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Gooble Rampling posted:The show is really quite excellent. I love that they are sticking with the same cinematic style and color timing between episodes. They really use the full space of the 16:9 frame, which modern TV shows still shy away from sometimes. For example, there is a deliberately disconcerting layout for many character conversation edits. It still follows the 180 degree rule, but places the actors' faces at non-traditional locations in the frame. At first it bugged me, appearing as if someone had bumped the camera right before rolling, but now I really dig it.  And although Tyrell starts off with about a quarter of the frame, as soon as Scott admits he knows that Tyrell wanted CTO, Tyrell shrinks to the left of the frame.  Tyrell begins to walk away but Scott pulls out the coup de grāce that he knows about Tyrell sneaking into the bathroom.  He's immediately shrunk down into a tiny, fearful man. His plans failed, he's an embarrassment, and Scott will keep him in the shitter for his stupid stunts. Tyrell's the bad guy of the show yet this frame still makes you feel sorry for him. Also note the changes in depth of field, I can't get enough of how well done this cinematography is! I look forward to the Every Frame a Painting video that will inevitably go over the first season of this show. DaveKap fucked around with this message at 11:47 on Jul 31, 2015 |
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Cpt.Wacky posted:Mr. Robot IS real but sometimes the one Elliot talks to isn't. This makes the most sense. I like this one the most. Let's go with this. That said, I actually wanted to come in here the next time someone talked about Durden to say "You know what, it's hard to even care anymore because either they'll tell us he is fake and we'll roll our eyes and go "I knew it!" or they'll tell us he's real and we'll go "Huh, I guess I was wrong!" and we'll stop caring because the rest of the show is too good to care." But the idea that he's sometimes real and sometimes fake is a good middle ground that I'll stick with. Accretionist posted:Haha, I didn't notice any of that. I felt it, but it didn't really register. That's great.
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When I went out to lunch today I saw a girl who was a dead ringer for Tyrell. It was kinda spooky but made me realize just how femme Tyrell is.Xoidanor posted:I don't agree about the other stuff but this is definatily becoming a thing in TV in general. It was jarring in Empire and it is even more so here where it has become half of Tyrells character for the season. DaveKap fucked around with this message at 01:00 on Aug 5, 2015 |
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Inspector Goon posted:Elliot's pocket sand is usb keys strewn hastily in a parking lot. Just as loving ridiculous, no matter how "effective" it would be in real life. For the record, it was supposed to be a movie of a rather entertaining street fire/music performance that I was really enjoying and wanted to watch more of. The disappointment of not witnessing more of their act outweighed the disappointment of losing 20 bucks for a blank DVD. Edit: Also, the great thing that came of that scenario is the point that even these ultra-elite hackers aren't infallible with their skills. Her code still got found by the malware checker. That's a real nice touch to a show that seems to focus on how powerful hackers can be. DaveKap fucked around with this message at 04:38 on Aug 5, 2015 |
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Xoidanor posted:Power couples work when both of the partners are in the focus of the show. It feels kinda ham-handed in Mr. Robot (and Empire as I mentioned earlier), primarily because the wifes are not main characters, they're side characters. Addiotionally, it doesn't help that these plotlines haven't been given the necessary time to develop since they're competing for time with the main cast and the main plotline. Don't get me wrong, power couples can be done really well as we've seen both in the first season of HoC (and earlier shows like Spartacus) but now it seems like every ambitious drama show wants to force in that conniving power couple which use sex as a tool of manipulation, just because people really liked it in HoC. They're not actually considering if it has the room it needs to develop within the story that they are trying to tell.
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apatheticman posted:I don't know what it says about me when I was like don't leave her there throw her off the building! And yeah, the music stopping. Brilliant cinematography as usual. The first scene had me dying inside as well. Gonna miss Shayla. 
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Dessel posted:There was something wrong with this episode. Every scene was about two persons having a conversation, mostly about what I'd call uncomfortable truths. Even at the CTO nomination party. Also Mr. Robot appeared to someone else than Elliot and alone at that. Trabant posted:Hell, he wore latex gloves when beating the homeless guy in the pilot.
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ashpanash posted:It's not going to win any (major) awards, but that shouldn't matter. Awards these days are not about quality, they're about trading favors between hollywood insiders.
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Yep, I got too many tabs. Sorry! That said, TheAngryDrunk can you please delete that quote so I don't spoil anyone in here who maybe wanted to watch that show later?
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I know it's a contrivance to keep the plot on point for the viewer but... ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..... Elliot left the room when this happened. That said, I was actually getting a little bored with certain parts of this episode but Bateman and that end really perked me up. I wish this season wasn't allowed to end in 2 episodes.
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Waynebo posted:Someone posted the whole album of pictures. I honestly have no idea what to think at this point. For someone who doesn't like following Father's rules (No phone number sharing) Darlene does a great job of never calling Mr. Robot "Dad." After someone up-thread mentioned Elliot having a twin I suddenly got the idea that maybe Mr. Robot is the twin of Elliot's dad. DaveKap fucked around with this message at 19:14 on Aug 13, 2015 |
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Don't forget he's not JUST replacing the words "mom" and "dad" when he's has multiple flashbacks to his mother treating him like poo poo. Forgetting your sister, sure. Forgetting your dad, sure. Dad being a ghost dad, sure. Thinking ECorp is actually EvilCorp, sure. But literally thinking the things that happened to your mom actually happened to your dad? Not getting the GENDER right? That's hosed up. BTW unsure if anyone else here thought it but for a moment when Darlene was asking if Elliot knew who she was, I thought she was going to turn out to be Angela, so when it cut back and forth I kept expecting Angela's actress to be in the shot of her instead. Waynebo posted:They flashed Sam Esmail's face too so uhh Edit: I went back and checked. At no point is Sam Esmail one of the faces that Elliot sees in the mirror. Just FYI. He sees Tyrell, Darlene, Angela, Mr. Robot, fsociety mask, and himself. So unless it's Sam Esmail in the mask, nope. DaveKap fucked around with this message at 04:09 on Aug 14, 2015 |
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Concerning Mr. Robot acting different from Darlene, here's what I'm gathering. It's super important that this isn't the first time Elliot "forgot" his family. His father, Mr. Robot, absolutely wants to gently caress over EvilCorp and wipe away debts, but is also absolutely loving crazy (mental illness runs in the show, after all) and knows that Elliot forgets his family. He also knows that Elliot has animosity towards him for being shoved out the window. This is probably what gave rise to Elliot not wanting people touching him. As a child, Elliot was OK with touching and even tried to hug his father after he had found out that Elliot snitched about the cancer. If Elliot is autistic, it was somehow an autism that hit him LATER in life. Does that exist? Elliot's dad apparently showed animosity towards his son "even the night he died." There's something in there. Most likely it was actually the first night he forgot who his family was. So we somehow end up with a vengeful father who managed to find the weaknesses and strengths in his child and got him on track to be a master hacker. With no family to remember and just his one friend, Angela, he had very little holding him back from spending time perfecting his craft. So I suggest you think of it like the second Matrix movie when it's revealed that there have been multiple Neos, all of which tried to do the same thing, all of which failed. Instead, we have separate states of Mr. Robot in Elliot's life. At one point, he taught Elliot all he knew about hacking but was eventually revealed to be Elliot's father. Upon discovering this, Elliot "failed" whatever he was supposed to do next with Mr. Robot and Mr. Robot had to flee the scene, likely due to the animosity Elliot should be holding against him for the out-the-window shove. Knowing Elliot might/will eventually forget him again, Mr. Robot stalks Elliot until he realizes that Elliot doesn't recognize him. Once this occurs, he once again swoops in acting like a separate entity and moving Elliot along the path of succeeding at the revenge plot. All that said, he also wants to know more about Elliot's state of mind. He wants to know about why his son didn't keep the secret and wants to teach his son why it was wrong to betray his trust. When he finds out what Elliot was thinking about this and how he still hasn't changed despite previous encounters as previous Mr. Robots, he goes a little crazy and chucks him over the pier. Okay, with all of that out of the way, I have ONE last theory. Mr. Robot is alive, is Elliot's dad, and actually KNOWS how to trigger Elliot into forgetting his family. Why? Ever notice how much Mr. Robot likes to use finality with Elliot? "You'll never see me again." or "We'll never have another chance." Maybe in Elliot's current memory that'd be true but once Mr. Robot triggers his memory wipe, they move on to the next task at hand. Woooooo this show is fun to theory craft with! Oh, right, I forgot about Darlene. I think Darlene just plain doesn't realize when Elliot does/doesn't remember her. Because Elliot acts so stand-offish, it's hard to tell if he's just being himself or if he literally doesn't remember who she is. He's still enough of a push-over that he'll just let her chill at his place despite barely knowing her but she just assumes he's being himself and being OK with his sister hanging around. DaveKap fucked around with this message at 09:45 on Aug 15, 2015 |
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Shooting Blanks posted:Can you remind me which episode this was mentioned? But yes, the boardwalk scene is when he said that his father is the one who held animosity towards him. I also missed a key part of my theory. I bet you that for season 2 or 3, Elliot loses the memory of his family again and when this happens, Mr. Robot once again uses it as an opportunity to start a new kind of hack. DaveKap fucked around with this message at 22:05 on Aug 15, 2015 |
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Le Saboteur posted:This show really deals in extremely evil antagonists though, both Vera and Tyrrell are so disgustingly bad it's almost cartoonish.
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Spergatory posted:I thought it was original score, but I just found out the song used during QuantumNinja posted:So I've watched all of the show currently out, and I can't tell if it's good or it's just a well-directed spanish soap opera. Can anyone help me try to figure that out? That aside, the real question is, do you care about what happens in the show? Did you care about what would happen to Shayla? Did you feel an emotion when Tyrell was emasculated? Or when he killed a woman? Did you enjoy the massive twist reveal that technically never hid itself from you, it just never came up? If you answered no to all of this, then it is a bad show. DaveKap fucked around with this message at 03:25 on Aug 18, 2015 |
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So basically Christian Slater isn't going to be around anymore. That's too bad. And the primary reason why I was so against Ghost Dad theory. Still, though, amazing episode as always and excited for the next one. Cannot get enough of the amazing framing they continue to push. I really hope they keep the same folks behind the camera for S2.
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Soooooo what's up with Darlene being all "Hey, I'm sorry and you're right; I should be more open about what I'm doing with Elliot" and Angela's all "D'AWWW OKAY I FORGIVE YOU" and that's it? Darlene doesn't even admit anything. Angela's just glad she wasn't caught by creepy dad? I dunno, seemed really off at the time.CrushedWill posted:The narration technique, reveal (I laughed in a good way with the Pixies cover) and all of the archetypes allow the completely ignorant to enjoy the show while allowing those with more media exposure to be amazed.
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Lampsacus posted:Where exactly is the Pixies cover in episode 8? I rewatched the last scenes and it wasn't there.
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sticklefifer posted:drat, how did Angela get so cutthroat so fast? I get that she's infiltrating to take them down from within, but she's such a shark at her job that I'm wondering if she's going to end up embracing Big Brother in the end. Honestly I have no loving clue what they're doing with her character. The only hint the show gave that she's still vulnerable is that she was watching an affirmation video but even that is a bit too far into the realm of "a thing a robot corporate elite person would do." I felt like we needed a sliver of her scheming to take the company down so we're re-assured we know what her character is but there just wasn't any of it, so I'm just left confused what the point of her is now.
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RedneckwithGuns posted:After tonight's episode I'm actually really surprised one of these conspiracy theorists in real life hasn't actually assaulted or killed someone they considered a "crisis actor" before. Do they just not seem to get that violent beyond harassment or what? I'd assume the reason it never gets that violent in real life is because actual conspiracy theorists still have just enough doubt in their brain that they aren't willing to take a life over it. That said, the people who are known more for being famous murders/assassins probably are the conspiracy theorists you're wondering about.
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Jeep posted:I too, am here to make sweeping criticisms about this season after the season premier.
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Can someone put a good thumb on exactly what movie or movies the first song reminded you of? It's like if John Williams, Danny Elfman, and Philip Glass had a three-way. There's a bit of Star Wars and Home Alone in there but I still feel like it very specifically sounds like 1 movie and I cannot freaking figure it out. So, what's this episodes random hint that Elliot isn't actually where we think he is? Other than the fact that Darlene hates mom and has zero interaction with her when she goes to visit Elliot, making absolutely no reference specifically to where they are. DaveKap fucked around with this message at 09:07 on Jul 28, 2016 |
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Fastidious Toes posted:Does anyone have a screen cap of the crossword puzzle? It was on screen for a second, but knowing this show, there was some info in it.  While we're at it, FYI, the IRC server Elliot goes into doesn't exist.
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DopeGhoti posted:Stalemates, or draws? Draws are relatively common, but a stalemate is a special kind of draw in which no legal move can be made and is not a checkmate. They're really rare to encounter in noncontrived situations.
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blunt posted:13 minute VR mini-episode-thing:
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My friend pointed this out to me and I didn't read it here so, hey, look, a reference! Darlene's screen name is Dolores Haze, the full name of the girl in Lolita.  Also, for all you *nix-nerds... ELLIOT USES VIM! Hahahaha gently caress off emacs! DaveKap fucked around with this message at 10:38 on Aug 4, 2016 |
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