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Mc Do Well
Aug 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
http://billmoyers.com/2015/06/11/this-small-towns-history-shows-why-the-tpp-could-be-a-disaster-for-us-workers/

Some dank Moyers poo poo

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Mc Do Well
Aug 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

asdf32 posted:

As per the constitution the president I voted for is overseeing the negotiation of the treaty which will then become public and be ratified (or not) by the representatives I also voted for.

Why does TPA need to go through now? Why not after the 2016 election? Since that president will be the one most likely presenting TPP (and TTIP as well?) to a vote in Congress.

Mc Do Well
Aug 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
We need to surrender state sovereignty to multinational commerce and start a trade war with China ASAP. This is what America needs right now.

Mc Do Well
Aug 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
When does mass media talk at all about trade policies? Everything we've heard has seemed like a last ditch effort to use Obama's brand to advance TPP. I would love a recent example of policy specifics and alternatives being discussed on CNN/Fox/MSNBC.

Remember globalization is an inevitable force that we have no agency over, like a hurricane.

Mc Do Well fucked around with this message at 15:22 on Jun 14, 2015

Mc Do Well
Aug 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

Boon posted:

Oh wow, way to miss the point entirely.

Way to give a non answer.

Mc Do Well
Aug 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

computer parts posted:

Hmm, I can't think of another major piece of law proposed by President Obama that few people read or understood but was widely opposed.

Brand Loyalty Politics

Mc Do Well
Aug 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
Vote for Toyama Koichi in 2016, everyone! Pass TPA now so Toyama will have the power!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0

Mc Do Well
Aug 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
There do need to be market equilibrations as a consequence of economic interdependence - and this affects everyone and everything - labor costs, living standards, costs of medicine - going up and down all over. The great strength of the US has been the 50 states with a central system requiring open borders and trade. This is a guiding example of internationalism/globalization. Shouldn't the borders to our north and south begin to vanish as well? A continental economic shift allowing individuals to have free commerce should occur before we expand the zone of corporate border-jumping.

Mc Do Well fucked around with this message at 01:32 on Jun 19, 2015

Mc Do Well
Aug 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
They still haven't released it? It's the final draft!

Mc Do Well
Aug 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
'people like you'

Christ what an rear end in a top hat.

Mc Do Well
Aug 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

computer parts posted:

How much do you agree with the phrase "Audit the Fed"?

They violated their mandate by bailing out other national banks. The global oligarchy is completely rotten and there is nothing rational about the financial system. There should be debt jubilees for regular people.

Mc Do Well
Aug 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

Hal_2005 posted:

They've actually violated it 3 times since 2008, but 90% of Americans of voting age honestly were polled to think the Federal Reserve managed the nations wildlife, so let Trump win & the Fed keep acting as an World Bank SDR. 90% of people don't care, and 99% of people are just happy 4Chan still lets them post while not working double shifts at McDonalds.

And they call me a misanthrope.

Mc Do Well
Aug 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
You just can't trust those MSF fellas - they don't support our troops. A 30 day review period before a yes or no vote is all we need.

Mc Do Well
Aug 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
Nintendo Kid isn't a socialist - he's a contrarian trust-funder

Mc Do Well
Aug 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeGURqfslXQ&t=705s

My big fear with the TPP has been an expansion and entrenchment of the existing IP system rather than moving toward a system that encourages technology to be 'public'/open source.

But as with many of these trade treaties it seems the ongoing 'cultural revolution' of globalization, the real challenge, is going unaddressed. Even now Europe might abandon free continental travel because they never went all the way and committed to a United States-like federation.

Mc Do Well
Aug 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
If you consider globalization as a process that started when Columbus introduced Europe to the Americas then we have all benefited.

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Mc Do Well
Aug 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
The 'Discovery' of America marks a shift from the planet having many small, simple human states towards secular transcontinental nations, mass literacy, high technology, near-instant travel, and all the other little things we take for granted today.

Lots of good and bad things fit into this narrative - and it is on us to only advance the good into the future.

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