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rudatron
May 31, 2011

by Fluffdaddy
Everything that's leaked about TTP has shown it to be a massive overreach of corporate power - nations basically cede some of their own sovereignty to corporate interests. In particular, the ISDS would allow corporations to bypass courts and get massive payouts with any legislation they don't like, in special tribunals stacked with people they want. The fact that the administration is so desperate to keep it secret probably means that true, so in a just world everyone supporting it would be charged with treason.

rudatron fucked around with this message at 09:03 on Jun 13, 2015

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rudatron
May 31, 2011

by Fluffdaddy

computer parts posted:

The chance of it failing is actually greater because it's an Obama thing.
No it isn't, because all the industries that wrote it are gonna whip them into line.

Acceptable disagreement in politics ends where major corporations/monied interests have their power grabs challenged, then it simply becomes a 'bipartisan' issue.

This is a bill that undermines democracy and grants private industries huge powers, so naturally it's gonna pass without any public debate at all.

rudatron
May 31, 2011

by Fluffdaddy

computer parts posted:

Which wouldn't happen in a Democratic controlled Congress?
No no, it would happen. But 'OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA' is what the GOP sells to the base, they're smart enough to not oppose the hand that feeds them (hint: its not voters).

computer parts posted:

What makes you think this one shuns public scrutiny more than normal?

I assume it must, otherwise you wouldn't put it (shunning public scrutiny) as a reason for distrusting the treaty.
Why are industry lobbyists getting access to, and getting their input sought over, a trade deal were secrecy is, for some reason, vitally important? Everything that's leaked over it (see - the wikileaks stuff) casts some serious doubts that it is in the public interest.

rudatron
May 31, 2011

by Fluffdaddy
Why does containing china involve granting corporations the ability to bypass courts and sue governments over labor/environmental/any other legislation? Why have exactly 0 of the posters itt defending the tpp actually defended against any of the substantive objections (ISDS, patents), and instead focused on irrelevant tangents?

Edit: Actually yeah, if you think this is some kind of threat to China you're dreaming. The China leadership has proven themselves to very organized and dedicated to keeping tight control over their economy - as soon as factories start moving from there, they'll institute capital controls to stop that.

rudatron fucked around with this message at 08:19 on Jun 14, 2015

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