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Anytime any government wants to keep something secret, you know it is going to be some heinous poo poo. There is literally no other reason for it besides the perversion of democracy.
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I'm sorry, I still don't understand why the negotiations have to be kept secret. If the negotiations break down due to public pressure, isn't that just democracy functioning as it's supposed to? If you don't want your voters to complain about the agreement, how about writing an agreement that's in their interests rather than keeping it secret from them? Considering what we do know about the contents of the deal, and the massive influence that industry lobbyists have had on it, I find it hard to believe that the primary purpose of secrecy is not to quash public dissent.
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Jun 14, 2015 09:28
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etalian posted:well the biggest stickler for the whole concept is how it will move fights over IP and other local laws to a WTO style international tribunal system. A secret tribunal which looks to be massively weighted in favour of corporations. It's true that ISDS is not new and this is just an expansion of previous treaties. But those previous systems are already terrible and we don't need to double down on them. They have already been used by coal companies to sue governments for favouring renewable energy, and by cigarette companies to sue a government for limiting their marketing capacities. I have read the official US response to this criticism that was linked earlier in the thread. Basically it seems their answer was, "dont worry, ISDS can't force governments to change legislation, it can only force them to pay compensation" - because the threat of massive costs never had any impact on government policy, right? The greatest challenge of the 21st century is to dismantle the fossil fuel industry. If we don't do this then civilisation as we know it will collapse. The TPP is going to give that industry new and more powerful weapons to defend itself. That alone is enough to oppose it IMO.
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