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im not sure what is worse: reading atlas shrugged and thinking it is good, or disliking it without reading it (and asking others why you should dislike it)
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I don't need to watch Dude, Where's My Car to know it sucks donkey dick
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oliwan posted:im not sure what is worse: reading atlas shrugged and thinking it is good, or disliking it without reading it (and asking others why you should dislike it) Here are a thousand poo poo sandwiches. what do you mean you don't like eating a thousand poo poo sandwiches, you haven't even tried eating all of them.
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Jul 16, 2015 23:49
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oliwan posted:im not sure what is worse: reading atlas shrugged and thinking it is good, or disliking it without reading it (and asking others why you should dislike it) It's reading it and thinking that it's good that's worse. Kind of like if you ask your friend "Hey, is the new Transformers movie any good" and he says "Nah it sucks" you haven't done a Bad Thing.
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ElGroucho posted:I don't need to watch Dude, Where's My Car to know it sucks donkey dick It presents an odd premise, walks through a bunch of seemingly random (but strangely connected) events, then ties every stupid, nonsensical thing into a coherent finale. It's the smartest stupid movie ever made.
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Seriously, that was a terrible example ElGroucho.
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Jul 17, 2015 02:32
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Oh, my bad, didn't know we were dick riding Ashton Coocher ITT Seriously, don't read that book; if you are a real Objectivist, you should be out creating instead of reading a book by a big time loser
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Jul 17, 2015 03:14
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FilthyImp posted:DWMC could be taught as an example of a well-plotted traditional three-act story. oh so its basically every single stoner movie ever made
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Jul 17, 2015 08:39
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I wanted to make a Fifty Shades comparison, but writing in Shades is so simplistic, you'd be breezing through that poo poo on cruise control, basically wasting no time.
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ElGroucho posted:I don't need to watch Dude, Where's My Car to know it sucks donkey dick That's what I thought until I watched it too. Seriusly, it's pretty funny.
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JcDent posted:I wanted to make a Fifty Shades comparison, but writing in Shades is so simplistic, you'd be breezing through that poo poo on cruise control, basically wasting no time. I love that the writing in Twilight was so purpley and bad that it was basically impossible to write a parody of it, since it just came out reading exactly the same as Twilight. Then Fifty Shades comes along and somehow it's worse.
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MikeCrotch posted:I love that the writing in Twilight was so purpley and bad that it was basically impossible to write a parody of it, since it just came out reading exactly the same as Twilight. Then Fifty Shades comes along and somehow it's worse. And the movie was somehow worse, which is a sign that there's no limits to the human potential.
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Jul 17, 2015 11:55
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I always thought Harold and Kumar Go to White Castle was the movie Dude, Where's My Car was supposed to be. I'm not going to lie, I saw DWMC in theaters. I was that bored at the time evidently.
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necrobobsledder posted:I always thought Harold and Kumar Go to White Castle was the movie Dude, Where's My Car was supposed to be. how did you manage to get stoned inside a movie theater
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Gum posted:how did you manage to get stoned inside a movie theater Medible or vape pen
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I can objectively prove that the Atlas Shrugged movies would have been more watchable if they were directed by Tommy Wiseau
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So in conclusion, Rand was one of the only things worse than a psychopath - an  ordinary person who worshipped her totally badass idea of what she thought a psychopath was, desperately wishing she could become one?
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Aug 23, 2015 22:17
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JcDent posted:Oh no, there's the third category of people: the good proles who work for the industry giants because they 1) like their work and 2) know it's worth (hence they don't ask for pay raises). There are steel smelters who like smelting steel a whole lot, railway workers who love rail, etc. Everyone else is a commie moocher and Norway is a starving communist hellhole. What is the Av from
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Aug 25, 2015 07:53
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Frostwerks posted:What is the Av from I think it's from Angry Mark and the Lightning Bowl
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Aug 25, 2015 22:06
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It's a bad book
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Aug 25, 2015 23:36
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I actually tried to read it coming at it from a position of ignorance because I had always seen scholarship applications that ask you to write an essay about it and at that point, I had no idea what Atlas Shrugged was about. I think I got to page 50. The book is immensely wordy and it is downright dull.
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Aug 25, 2015 23:44
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Gore Vidal wrote a short essay on Ayn Rand's philosophy some 54 years ago. He made some interesting points, but this one is a fairly concise summary of what I found most off-putting about Atlas Shrugged: "For one thing, it is gratuitous to advise any human being to look out for himself. You can be sure that he will. It is far more difficult to persuade him to help his neighbor to build a dam or to defend a town or to give food he has accumulated to the victims of a famine. But since we must live together, dependent upon one another for many things and services, altruism is necessary to survival. To get people to do needed things is the perennial hard task of government, not to mention of religion and philosophy." http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a4595/comment-0761/
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Another chestnut from the essay quoted above: "She has a great attraction for simple people who are puzzled by organized society, who object to paying taxes, who dislike the "welfare" state, who feel guilt at the thought of the suffering of others but who would like to harden their hearts. For them, she has an enticing prescription: altruism is the root of all evil, self-interest is the only good, and if you're dumb or incompetent that's your lookout."
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Gutter Phoenix posted:Another chestnut from the essay quoted above: An accurate description of libertarians. In addition, many johnnys posted:Rand is the original welfare queen I actually don't think it's inconsistent because suck my woke dick fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Aug 27, 2015 |
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Objectivism has perfected the moral defense for FYGMAyn Rand posted:Many students of Objectivism are troubled by a certain kind of moral dilemma confronting them in today’s society. We are frequently asked the questions: “Is it morally proper to accept scholarships, private or public?” and: “Is it morally proper for an advocate of capitalism to accept a government research grant or a government job?” Well yes I benefited from free schooling and education and just landed a great job, but I always opposed them in my heart so now that I'm the one paying taxes instead of getting free poo poo I don't owe a dime and now that I no longer need it I'm going to do everything I can to destroy the next generation's education. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 04:01 on Aug 28, 2015 |
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Sad ramblings of Ayn Rand's simulated subconscious coming up. You will find the appropriate soundtrack below. I take no responsibility for any displeasure anyone might feel at being exposed to her. Please don't let these memes invade your dreams. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-Xm7s9eGxU Some college students fear that accepting all this money to further their learning might be wrong. Do not recoil, poor children who so rationally despise kindness! This private scholarship is necessarily akin to the Objective dragon showing off his fire breath. It is for the greater purpose of sex or more money. Is it a public scholarship? Well, have you had sufficient taxes to pay for it stolen from you before you began your education, you stupid lecherous ignorant cretin scum!? If not, kill yourself, you immoral leech! Since history does not exist, and it was never the case that my disgusting menopausal ilk has not had the right to vote in this Utopian heaven called America, and since any stable funding of the government is outlawed by the Cosmic Logbook of Morality That Only Ayn Rand Can See With Her Special Seeing Stone, your W-2 is in fact a hideous felon. If you are allowed to eat when you do not have enough money to exchange for the food, you ought best to die, because it is wrong to bring you back into the workforce by providing you some energy and shelter unless you sexy. gently caress me, John Galt! HWURUWRUWUREJEWEWJIWHRHWIRHW  I found that stimulating  Wow, glad that's over. I hope we all learned something today.
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The best part is that the main character was born into the railroad family and didn't earn or work her way to that spot. Also if Galt was so smart why didn't he take his drat speech to his writer bros and have them edit it good god that was bad
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blugbee posted:The best part is that the main character was born into the railroad family and didn't earn or work her way to that spot. you just can't appreciate the glory that is galtse.cx, pleb 
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I tried reading Atlas Shrugged in college to see what the hub-bub was about (and, admittanly, because I thought "eh, Bioshock is based on it, might as well see the similarities). I got about 500 pages in and just couldn't take it anymore - as people have said, it's just not a well written book. I disagree with the philosophy as well, but it doesn't help that it has the one-two punch of objectivism and just plain bad writing. What I'd recommend is that you read Anthem - it's something like 75 pages, and distills Objectivism and Rand's writing down to something halfway decently written and short. Then if you say "huh, I want to learn more about this philosophy and this writer!" then you can move on to Atlas Shrugged or whatever. Also 2112 was based on Anthem
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To be fair, if you feel objectivism is the correct philosophy for you you should reevaluate your life choices.
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The only time I actually had fun while reading Rand was that part in The Fountainhead where Rand rages against the stockmarket and stockholders.
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Also when awkward Rand references are shoehorned into things, eg Ayn Rand space spation orbiting the planet Fountainhead. In addition, I can't believe nobody has made a Fatlas Smugged joke. You disappoint me, goons.
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Kemper Boyd posted:The only time I actually had fun while reading Rand was that part in The Fountainhead where Rand rages against the stockmarket and stockholders. Atlas Shrugged is great for that too because that one rear end in a top hat heir is able to somehow know that every single person who owns stock in his company is an irrational looter poopyhead so that makes it okay to commit fraud and swindle them for buying his stock.
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VitalSigns posted:Objectivism has perfected the moral defense for FYGM What's weird is that she equates government provided College Scholarships with welfare. It's not. It's an attempt to engineer the growth of the economy by educating more of the workforce. One of the original examples of a college scholarship is West Point, a college that has always been entirely paid for by the government regardless of the means of the attendants. I'm not sure that educating soldiers to provide better service is welfare. From the point of view of the recipient it may be welfare-like, if you hold that an education has any value external to the person who is educated (I'm not sure I do). From the point of view of the government providing the scholarships it's an objectively rational attempt to generate more taxes per unit.
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Murgos posted:if you hold that an education has any value external to the person who is educated (I'm not sure I do). wow, really? imagine the overall general "utility" of the western world if, at least, primary education weren't mandated.
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If we could get away from that it would help make clearer the utter worthlessness of the leeches and moochers and the resources it freed up could be better put to use by Rational Captains of Inudstry to enrich themselves and by extension all of society. When part of your economic ideology is literally 'people that can't afford to buy food should starve in the street (but not me because it's this system for moochers that keeps me down)' then there really isn't any sensible way you're going to evaluate the economic worth of anything.
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Sizone posted:wow, really? imagine the overall general "utility" of the western world if, at least, primary education weren't mandated. The western Education system is a huge failure fwiw.
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Murgos posted:From the point of view of the recipient it may be welfare-like, if you hold that an education has any value external to the person who is educated (I'm not sure I do). Are you honestly saying that you can't think of a single example of how someone elses education has benefited you?
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goodness posted:The western Education system is a huge failure fwiw. A university educated physician earns around $100k more a year than someone without a degree. After you graduate, about half of that money goes to the state forever. Over a lifetime, that's millions of dollars and a 1000+% return on the initial tuition fee investment. Probably a >5% annual return rate over 40-50 years, something a stock investor would cream his pants about. And even the combined average return rate for all degrees types is pretty good, beaten only by very high performing capital investments. Seriously, compulsatory public education is like one of the best things Marxists managed to push trough. It's a gold mine, lol at the Randites who want to shut it down.
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I remember reading it when I was young and impressionable and mostly liking it, and I ended up on a semi-libertarian kick for a while, but I also felt really bad for the scientist and thought it was weird how much poo poo he got.
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