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I think I like the dogburster from the Theatrical cut better... but you should still watch the Assembly Cut first and only watch the Theatrical afterwards (if at all) if you're curious. There's some more minor differences beyond just removing enormous chunks of the movie. I wasn't paying attention to who was involved in the earlier catfight so maybe you'll reject this, but SMG argued that the theatrical was superior (surprise!) because the drastic cuts gave it an incoherence that could be interpreted as dream logic about the Alien purely being Ripley's nightmare (paraphrasing heavily). I'm kinda curious about re-watching it with that in mind.
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Jul 16, 2016 05:43
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MonsieurChoc posted:There's quite a few shots where the special effects were added after the fact in the AC and look really bad because of it. The xenomorph really suffers from it: there are scenes where it looks really amazing, and then others where it looks really bad.  The analog process they used to compose the rod puppet with the live action hallway shots gave it a very unfortunate green tint which makes a lot of people think it's awful CG (but this was '92, before Jurassic Park). I've heard that the rod puppet shadows are CG, which makes sense because they look... wrong. I think the suit looked great, though. In Alien: Resurrection, Call (Winona Ryder) is an android that I think was part of some society of escaped androids living independently. I think WY is dead in that movie, however (it's set hundreds of years after 3).
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Jul 16, 2016 15:09
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CelticPredator posted:Right? It's too late now, but I wish someone could've found the raw footage for the puppet stuff as well as the plate shots and re-composite it. They look seriously great when not composited in the film. In a perfect fairy tale world they would get some super fans with video chops to do it for free for them (you know those people exist) but that's obviously never going to happen. There's this clip on YouTube that a fan did based on some unused ideas from the movie; the flames are an interesting look into Golic's world view but the really exciting part (or depressing, really) is that the Alien looks noticeably cleaner in the hospital ward shot.
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Aug 10, 2016 16:14
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Dog_Meat posted:I just wanted to see Aliens getting to earth like the teaser promised And let's not forgot the title of the thread; the theatrical version is not the most coherent thing ever put out.
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Sep 26, 2016 14:01
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zVxTeflon posted:People poo poo on A3s characters but the first few deaths in Aliens are all complete non characters who we literally never see. Seriously when do we ever see crowe or weirzbowski in the film before they die? I assume one of them actually gets a line of dialog with Frost in the dropship (only because i cant match that voice with any other known character) but you never see his face.
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Sep 26, 2016 21:31
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:This sounds like a personal problem.
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Sep 28, 2016 15:26
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Tenzarin posted:If he only didn't throw his flame thrower on the ground and try to wrestle the alien filled with acid blood to death. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhcjHhIapO4
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Oct 18, 2016 21:02
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Xenomrph posted:I made that video.  Edit: oh hey your name is even on the video, how about that david_a fucked around with this message at 06:10 on Oct 19, 2016 |
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Oct 19, 2016 06:00
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I considered doing a coda for the Space Jockey, but I couldn't come up with a way to edit the footage without the Jockey still looking creepy as poo poo and undermining whatever funny text I put in.
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No, the boxing gloves thing must be toward the beginning. I barely remember it either. I think the android reveal is after That Ladder Scene That The Movie Thinks Is Really Cool But Isn't.
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Oct 31, 2016 14:22
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BOAT SHOWBOAT posted:Resurrection is better than Alien 3. After Alien, Prometheus and Aliens respectively, it's the fourth best film on the series.
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Nov 1, 2016 14:46
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Baronjutter posted:This is pretty neat. Are all these scenes on some special dvd or something?
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Nov 4, 2016 17:56
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One of the reasons they went with what's on the movie is that Ridley felt the actor got totally lost under the CGI effects. Also, I'm not sure if the mutated version effects were 100% finished and polished, but they are a bit more noticeably artificial in motion than the other one.
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Nov 4, 2016 20:26
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Basebf555 posted:I never thought about it before but I guess with the CGI version it would be possible for a portion of the audience to not even realize what's going on in that scene? Like, they say the name "Fifield" at some point in the scene, but would the average person remember who Fifield is without seeing his face(and probably more importantly, his hair)?
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Nov 4, 2016 21:42
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Tenzarin posted:There wasn't much of an actor under there after all. I cant wait for his next movie. Wow he was the bad guy in MI rogue nation, haha.
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Nov 4, 2016 23:53
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Xenomrph posted:For another fun challenge, try to figure out where the motor is in the APC.
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Nov 15, 2016 00:28
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oldpainless posted:Is Planet of the Vampires worth watching?
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Nov 18, 2016 04:57
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For all we know the Nostromo could have picked up the beacon very faintly on the trip out there (assuming they went there & back on vaguely the same route). Possibly it was only detected by WY after a more thorough log examination once they arrived and there was a standing order to do a little more digging on any possible lead by slightly modifying the contracts, giving Mother a special rule, and adding an android on the return voyage. If they knew for sure there was something valuable on LV426 there's no way they would send a bunch of truckers to pick it up. The movie doesn't actually specify when they signed those contracts, does it?
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Nov 18, 2016 21:31
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Yeah, I don't buy that all the eggs in the derelict used to be the crew. For one, there's like hundreds (if not thousands) of them, and second, the Space Jockey is like 3 times the size of a human. A Space Jockey egg would be enormous.
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Nov 21, 2016 19:45
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Xenomrph posted:Although even if the eggs in the hold aren't the Derelict's crew, the implication behind the egg morphing is still that all those eggs were morphed from something, and that's pretty hosed. Dan O'Bannon's original idea was that the Alien was a symbiotic life form that lived in conjunction with some kind of space cow on the planet. They were relatively advanced and built structures like the Pyramid with all the hieroglyphics as decorations. Some kind of planetary catastrophe killed off all the cows and turned LV426 into the inhospitable hellhole that we know and love, so all that survived were the eggs. The alien in the movie is a killer because it's a feral child - nobody is around to teach it to behave otherwise. I'm not clear how much of this was ever written down in any scripts; this is all very early on and may just have been ramblings between O'Bannon and Ron Cobb. In case you're struggling to imagine the xeno's sitting around drinking tea and debating philosophy, this is way before Giger was involved so nobody had a good idea of what the alien looked like. I had forgotten that Giger actually tried to save the hieroglyph in the movie somewhere but got shot down. You can actually see an outline of it above the middle bulb in the egg chamber painting:  I think I agree with Ridley on taking it out. Having it there would make it unmistakeable that the Jockey knew exactly what it was carrying and that they had a long history together (one way or the other). I prefer having it be a total mystery what the relationship is between the two species.
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Nov 22, 2016 04:19
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SMERSH Mouth posted:Is there any other live action film or film series, sci-fi or otherwise, where a (non film) visual artist's work has had such a singular effect on the film's success? Its easy to imagine that without Geiger's input, Alien would have ended up maybe being a cult favorite like The Thing, but not the acclaimed (at least at first) franchise that it became.   There's probably plenty of similar examples in animated movies but I can't think of one for live action stuff. People like Syd Mead and Jean Giraud obviously shaped a ton of movies (both directly and indirectly) but I don't know how critical their exact design language were to any particular franchise.
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Nov 22, 2016 15:23
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Something something human impurities in the DNA making them selfish, imperfect organisms
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Nov 22, 2016 22:24
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AlternateAccount posted:Gibson didn't write that script.
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Nov 24, 2016 23:11
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A Deacon posted:So there were these series of comics published throughout the 90s and 00s set in the Alien universe; and now, apparently they are releasing novelizations of them that began in January of this year. Maybe the hype for Alien Covenant and Blomkamp's possible sequel spilled over into the book world? Each volume is going to have a multiple adaptations, and two of them are available now:  (Best scan I could find) Unfortunately they now have a colorized one that looks utterly abysmal. A novelization of a comic book, though? Why do you think this would be good? I read a few of those books in middle school and I guess they were entertaining back then, but even then I could tell that the prose was a bit questionable. Lots of violence and sex though.
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Nov 27, 2016 18:00
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SUNKOS posted:I think that this is most evident with the space jockey room itself. In the original movie there's an atmosphere and if I remember correctly there's an emphasis on wetness and humidity throughout the movie that gives it a certain look. The eggs are oozing liquid, the walls of the derelict appear to be sweating and of course we have the sprays of blood from Kane or the milky spurts of Ash, all the way to Brett standing under the leaking water and characters drenched in sweat. Then of course there's the alien itself, covered in slime. I think this is one of the key aspects of how the original movie fused sci-fi technology with real biological grossness to create an unsettling atmosphere, it's so dirty throughout. In comparison, the space jockey room in Prometheus along with much of the set design is spotless and immaculate, and comes across as fake and well, a bunch of movie sets. They're so clinically clean and flawless that it detracts a lot from what an environment like that had achieved in prior movies. I don't know if I entirely buy it. It could just be that no one can summon the magic to reproduce the Giger look, which is a depressing thought. That's probably selling the artists short, though. I'm not sure what to make of the cleaner looking Engineers in the intro scene because it must be intentional.
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Dec 1, 2016 03:55
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I really didn't expect the Alien 3 thread would result in me wanting to watch Mortal Kombat Annihilation but, yet, here we are 
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Dec 4, 2016 16:42
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Jenner posted:You have made a good decision and you will have no regrets. 
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Dec 4, 2016 19:52
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oldpainless posted:It's on Netflix  
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Dec 4, 2016 23:11
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Just finished MK Annihilation! Much better than it should have been because A) it knows you're not interested in wasting the first third of the movie on boring setup and B) it has an adorably sincere devotion to all the palette-swapped ninjas/robots and other bullshit from the games. And hey, it's still better than the TV series! I think the IMDB trivia page is my favorite thing from the movie: quote:The song playing while Kitana and Liu Kang are traveling through the tunnels is also the song the Jim Levinsteen strips to in American Pie (1999). quote:If adding up all back-flips, front-flips, and side-flips together there are a total of 54 of them present in the film. quote:Kitana and Mileena are not twins because Mileena has blue eyes, but Kitana are brown eyes. To bring it vaguely back on topic - poor James Remar. Getting fired from Aliens to replacing Christopher Lambert in an MK sequel a decade later. Rough.
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Dec 5, 2016 02:45
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Ixian posted:However my favorite Alien game, outside of Isolation, is the free mod for the original Doom which came out around 96 or 97. Fox eventually shut it down but for what it was it is a hell of a lot of fun. That's mostly nostalgia on my part, maybe, but I liked it. What you are also remembering is the Aliens mod for Quake, which was indeed (infamously) taken down by Fox. I think this was one of the first times a major rights holder stepped in to squash a fan-made project, so for a while Fox became synonymous with this ("oh no, this mod got Foxed!"). Back to Aliens TC - it was an incredibly influential modification. id Software had actually briefly looked into getting an official Aliens license before they went their own way with an "Aliens meets Evil Dead 2" aesthetic for Doom. The FPS industry was small enough back then that basically everyone played it and some of more clever ideas were borrowed for commercial games.
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Dec 5, 2016 22:34
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Neo Rasa posted:Alien in general has had a great track record compared to other franchises with licensed games. There are only a few absolute pieces of trash like the NES version of Alien 3 or Colonial Marines. I would guess that Aliens similarly dominates the other EU material (which is just the comics I guess) but I don't know for sure.
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Dec 6, 2016 04:51
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Ixian posted:It's a testament to how bad Resurrection really was that there wasn't a single video game adaptation I can remember of it (though I am probably wrong and someone will find it. Now that I think about it there has to be at least a light-gun arcade version right?). EDIT: LOL, this was released after the PS2 came out, no wonder nobody has heard of it. david_a fucked around with this message at 05:08 on Dec 6, 2016 |
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Dec 6, 2016 05:06
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Half the work on the xenomorph field guide is already done!
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Dec 6, 2016 05:58
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ruddiger posted:That site neglected to include the stats and bios from the toyline. But hey, this is just more of a market opportunity for the complete list!
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Dec 6, 2016 06:20
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Neo Rasa posted:Is there any Alien game under development at the moment? I'd be surprised if there isn't a more actiony one made for whenever Blomkamp's "Alien 3" is coming out.
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Dec 8, 2016 05:21
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Neo Rasa posted:I can't speak for everyone but I liked Soldier a lot more for the movie it potentially could have been than for what it is. I saw it once and enjoyed it overall, figured it could have been a lot better and never paid it much thought since. Looking at this now I'm actually very surprised it got such awful reviews, there's a bajillion lone sci-fi warrior enters some shithole colony planet nd comes into conflict with folks movies out there that make Soldier look like a masterpiece.
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Dec 10, 2016 21:39
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Neo Rasa posted:It's a totally different situation beause Alien 3 "Assembly Cut" was loving awesome. A Deacon posted:The plot and setting of Alien 3 was good. It just had an incredibly lovely script and special effects.
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Dec 11, 2016 18:53
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That's, uh, a lot of words about Nemesis but I have to agree, that movie is rad as hell! It's like 4 movies rolled into one so you're really getting a good return on your time. I think I saw it on Hulu but I don't know if they still have it. Edit: holy poo poo don't watch that linked trailer, it spoils a lot of the insanity david_a fucked around with this message at 06:34 on Dec 13, 2016 |
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Dec 13, 2016 06:30
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Showing a transparent Alien would be a nice throwback to the original and seems much more feasible to pull off in 2016 than 1979. For the story details, it's hard to make much of some high-level story recaps that may or may not be true so I'll just wait to see the movie.
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Baronjutter posted:So why is the alien is alien bio-mechnical then? Those eggs were ancient.
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