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Darko posted:Arguments in this forum helped me to enjoy Prometheus more. At first I was annoyed at how ridiculously stupid many characters were to the point of being offputting while watching. On rewatches, I realized that said stupidity was part of the point of the plot and enjoyed it more. Can you explain a little? I think what you're talking about is the stupidity of the scientists, who do very un-scientist type things, right? How was this the point of the plot? I'm not being sarcastic, I honestly feel the same way about the movie, and never understood half the things these people do and why it was written this way.
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People involved have talked about it numerous times. The script said "an ALIEN bursts from Kane's chest" or something similar. The actors walked on to the set and the crew and cameras were covered in ponchos and tarps. Still, no one was prepared for was the sheer volume and force of the blood spray, and Cartwright got it all over the face. She falls down backwards over a chair if I recall correctly. Edit: nevermind, I'm responding to posts from hours ago
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Thanks for all that stuff, Xenomrph. I collect things like that 
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I kind of liked the Wilks/Billie (Hicks/Newt) stories in the comics. That one Xenomrph was talking about above, 'Labyrinth' was very good too. Although there is some really super-sick poo poo in that one.
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Baronjutter posted:Is it explained how the aliens manage to take over earth? I know a single alien can gently caress up a bunch of unarmed space truckers, and some marines that are horribly outnumbered and clueless. But it seems unless there's some super intelligence or abilities we've never seen from the aliens that they'd just all get wiped out before they could become too big of a threat. They'd be more of a threat in rural or natural areas and potentially gently caress up the ecosystem but unless humans let them breed for years and mass to attack cities civilization wouldn't be too threatened. I guess it's my same problem with a lot of zombie situations, zombies would not be at all dangerous to an armed and organized group. This is something that's near and dear to my heart. To elaborate a little on what Xenomrph said above, One of my favorites was called "Earth Hive" and I think there was a comic book, but years ago I read the novelization by Steve Perry. Xenomrph you will probably remember this better than I do, since I read this book sometime in the early '90s, but this is how I recall it: There is a gigantic military/industrial conglomerate that has basically taken the place of world governments, and Weyland-Yutani is a part (or most) of it. They know about the existence of the alien, and they've somehow managed to get a queen which they have chained up in a bunker underneath the Rocky Mountains, in what used to be a NORAD base or something. She's chained up down there, and sits there producing eggs. I guess they are doing "bioweapon studies" or something like that. Through stories passed down through word of mouth about offworld encounters, and probably through loose lips on the part of some who know the queen is in the bunker, a sort of doomsday cult has grown, that sees the alien as a divine being. They believe mankind's destiny is to bond with the alien, become one with it, sacrifice themselves to it, something like that. Anyway these idiot cultists manage to break into the bunker in the mountains, kill the guards, and enter the queen's egg chamber. Several of them, a dozen or so, run right up to the eggs and allow themselves to be facehugged. As soon as they are immobilized, the other cultists put them on stretchers, and haul them off. Then, they spirit these guys to all corners of the globe, waiting for them to be chestbursted, so an infestation can begin in their respective areas. Obviously the military-industrial congomerate knows what has happened. They keep quiet about it, and mobilize Delta-force style commando teams, keeping them on call. They follow world news, looking for any increase in reports of people suddenly going missing. At one point in the book someone says just what you did-- that a squad of commandos who knows what they are looking for can fight them, but some farmer with a pitchfork in siberia is pretty much screwed. They are able to keep up for a short time; when large numbers of people go missing in an area, they send a team in to find the nest and destroy it. But the one of the scarier things about the aliens to me has always been that the only limit to the number of them there can be, is the number of humans there are. And each human that gets facehugged, tilts the balance a little towards the alien side of the ledger. It's just not winnable. After a while, things are getting totally out of hand. The whole world knows what is happening by this time. A few months after the break-in at the Rocky Mountain complex, they have to nuke Jakarta, as it has become one huge hive. The entire continent of Australia has become one giant hive. In other locations, cities are overrun, and small, isolated pockets of humans try to hold out. But in the end, they all go the way of Hadley's Hope. I remember one part of the book where someone is watching a satellite feed of some local news program, or what passes for news at this stage. An alien is carrying off a woman who is screaming, carrying her to a hive so she can get facehugged. Someone near the cameraman shoots the woman in the head. The alien stops, holds the woman out and examines her, realizes she's dead, then drops her and runs screaming straight at the camera. This, and some other parts of the book really disturbed me. A year or so into the infestation, the balance has shifted so much towards the alien side of the ledger, Earth is lost. The end of the book is survivors blasting off in ships, evacuating the Earth, which has basically been entirely overrun by the monsters. This was only the background of the book, the main plot is part of the Wilks/Billie (Hicks/Newt) story that Xenomrph talked about above. But it stuck with me for a long time.
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Do you have a YouTube channel with your Let's Plays on there? I'd like to hear Perry's intro. Edit: wait, Perry was the guy who had a meltdown over people questioning his take on alien intelligence? MrMojok fucked around with this message at 05:01 on Oct 14, 2015 |
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Oct 14, 2015 04:58
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Well, you know what they say: A conservative is just a liberal who's been attacked by aliens
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Oct 30, 2015 21:40
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The best part is Ash's response (prompted by Dallas who cannot control his crew), where he outlines that failure to comply results in "...total forfeiture of shares"
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Oct 31, 2015 03:16
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No matter how overused they have been, to this day they give me the willies worse than any monster from any other film or medium. I often had to stop playing Isolation for a few minutes or hours just to calm down, and I'm in my mid-40s.
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Xenomrph posted:God I totally forgot that they removed that from the Newborn's original design. Good God.
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For those who don't know what we're talking about,
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Yeah, Fincher is never going to get over it. Or talk about it.
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Nov 12, 2015 01:23
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The two themes I've always seen in Aliens are greed, and motherhood (Ripley as Mother and Queen as Mother) but perhaps I am not a good film watcher.
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Nov 29, 2015 03:02
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"beating each other till their faces are red from blood"
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I also really like the 2001 AVP2 game. The Marine part did not have the random alien spawns from the original that would scare the poo poo out of you, but I thought the story was pretty cool. And the way all three SP campaigns were the same story, from different points of view. I remember I bought a new graphics card in 2001, just to be able to play this. poo poo, I may still have it in a box in my closet. I doubt it will run on Windows 7 x64 though.
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My understanding was that Weaver wasn't really interested at all in Aliens because of hardcore gun-toting Ripley. Cameron explained it in terms of the motherhood angle, she's lost her own child, Newt becomes a surrogate daughter, and she literally goes to hell to save her new child. Once she saw it from this point of view, she was all-in. Then when she sees the finished film for the first time, she's furious because Cameron has completely cut the scene mentioning her daughter. I imagine it took her a long time to get over that.
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I think Cameron also faced a near-mutiny on the part of the British film crew while filming Aliens at Pinewood studios.
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Feb 27, 2016 00:57
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The initial "wooden planet" script for A3 is pretty interesting.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Blomkamp gets backlash because (around the release of District 9) he was supposed to 'legitimize' nerd fiction. I don't really remember Elysium very well. How was it about/like Star Wars?
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They were going for something creepy and unnatural looking, and it didn't work out. Like the Exorcist "spiderwalk" Immortan alludes to above. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnxAnDcysvk&t=72s
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That one is disturbing, SMG. Thanks!
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Basebf555 posted:I find it odd that a certain CineD poster hasn't weighed in on this one yet. 
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Mar 16, 2016 18:54
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LOL... makes my skin crawl. Good times.
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Xeno, how was the W-Y report?
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Disappointing, indeed. Thanks for the review.
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May 1, 2016 18:13
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Why do we need to worry about biology, genetics, and evolution in a series where a chitinous possibly-biomechanical creature with acid for blood can grow from six inches tall to seven feet tall in a matter of hours, and never needs to eat? (yes I know they like pig meat in the comics but that's Canon Level: totally not canon)
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May 27, 2016 20:45
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What was the Hamsters in a Cage scene?
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Micro-changes in air density, my rear end.
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Jul 11, 2016 03:42
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I was going to say, you must be new to CD
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Jul 12, 2016 21:35
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Like they say, a liberal is just a conservative who hasn't been attacked by aliens yet.
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As for there being no evidence in Cameron's film that the company wants to weaponize the alien, at 1:21:44 into the theatrical version is this: BURKE Look, those two specimens are worth millions to the bioweapons division. This line appears in both versions of the film, and I'm pretty sure it's in every single version of the script, from development through shooting.
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Yeah, I guess Burke as the rogue actor in all this is pretty much established. I don't buy at all the idea that W-Y is somehow a kinder, gentler benevolent mega-corporation in 2179 than they were in 2122, though.
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zVxTeflon posted:He saw an alien Whoop-dee-loving-doo, I'm impressed.
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Jul 13, 2016 06:18
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The fact that everyone from Cameron on down repeatedly mentioned the Vietnam influence on the film means it's completely verboten in Cinema Discusso. Instead, here it must be "read" in terms of some kind of class war, and/or themes of capitalism vs socialism. I think this is in the main rules sticky for CineD.
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That's what I thought too.
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I don't know which guy you mean, but I'm not agreeing with any of you, except for the one who just said movies can be about different things. What I said about the acknowledged Vietnam theme up above, I meant that anything like that is going to get shouted down by some people in CineD in favor of other interpretations, which are always the only correct ones in those particular posters' minds. And a lot of times it's no war but class war, and things of that nature. I certainly am not saying it's insane to look at a film outside of the director's statements/intent. Perfect example, what I get out of Aliens is nature/nurture, and motherhood. Not any of the things other people in here are talking about. Am I "wrong"? Are others "right"?
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Jul 14, 2016 04:39
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Who is calling that crazy?
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ruddiger posted:What kind of war do you think Vietnam was? Good guys vs bad guys? It was a generation of drafted poors fighting a puppet socialist country, to say "it's about Vietnam" is the laziest loving thing to say. Like, no poo poo it's about a war, but when you go out of your way and associate it with one of the most politically loaded police actions in this country's history, stopping the discussion at "it's about Vietnam" is pretty juvenile, and just goes to show how stupid we let ourselves get as a species. These ideas about movies aren't anything new, but the aggressiveness at anything other than the most basic interpretation is pretty sad. But nobody here is going out of their way to associate it with Vietnam. No one has to, because Cameron himself envisioned parts of the film this way from the beginning-- the dudes with everything from nukes to sharp sticks having trouble against an enemy that they can neither understand nor defeat. This is self-evident in the final product and in all stages of production. In addition, he and several members of the production have talked about it. This of course does not preclude discussion about other aspects/readings of the film. No one is "stopping the discussion" here, in CineD. Clipperton posted:Yo Xenomrph: does Weyland-Yutani have any competitors in the canon, or do they have a monopoly on everything and run the government? Ripley's debriefing seems to have a bunch of people from government agencies (ICC, Colonial Administration etc) and they all act indistinguishably from Weyland-Yutani representatives. Xenomrph posted:They have a couple, but WY is arguably the most powerful. Off the top of my head I know of Seegson (from Alien Isolation), and there are others that are hinted at but not outright named. I love how Seegson is a kind of a wannabee-W-Y, but they just fall way short. The location of Sevastopol, way the gently caress out in the outer rim, is bad. They can mine a little unobtanium from the gas giant, but they don't get a lot of business from travelers. They bought this place thirteen years ago, from another company who built it it there twenty years prior to that thinking the mining routes would expand, and their location would be prime. Instead, in time the major spacelanes were routed the other way, leaving Sevastopol even more isolated than it was before. In the last dozen years Seegson has been using it as a research/production facility for its androids. At some point they just concede that they'll never make androids as good/convincing as the W-Y ones, and decide to go completely the other way instead. Hence the fake rubber skin and glowing eyes on all the things, with the understanding-- at least this way, you know it's a robot! Sales are not good, despite creative advertising campaign:  Then, as they are trying to do the responsible thing and shut the whole place down, civil unrest combines with the most horrid, unimaginable interstellar event possible to end Seegson as a corporate entity forever. Remaining assets probably bought by W-Y.
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Xenomrph posted:Speaking of Seegson and gas giants, if you haven't played Alien Isolation, just look up a YouTube video of the game's main menu. No really, it sounds silly but the menu's background is dominated by this colossal view of a roiling gas giant and it's seriously one of the most impressive visuals in the whole game. And the music on that menu screen too... that music still makes my hair stand on end, from being totally traumatized by seeing Alien in the theater at age ten.
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Baronjutter posted:This is your own shallow interpretation but it's not supported by the text. There in fact is no "alien" in alien, it's entirely (and this is factual and objectively true) a movie about the alienation of workers (the title of the movie could not be more clear) and capital's need to control motherhood in order to control the reproduction of labour and ultimately the reproduction of capitalism. The movie perfectly follows Marx's writing on the fate of surplus labour through the effects of mechanization while the diminishing returns coming from greater efficiency throw capitalism into a desperate crisis. The crisis in the movie is simply the ultimate crisis of capitalism, the alien its self having no bearing on the plot and not being worth mentioning. To even notice or mention the "creature" is to obviously miss the point of the entire movie, and this is a true statement. One needs only read Hegel's written views on the Jacobin's increasingly brutal tactics during the post-revolutionary period to understand the violence seen in the movie (which is entirely worker on worker violence, since there is no monster). None of this is my personal conjecture, this is all just a literal reading of the text and I'm sorry if I can't accept this but the truth is the truth and your opinion doesn't change things. 
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I got over the darkness when I first watched AVP2 on HBO or Skinemax, and on DVD the time I rented it. Didn't like it, but got over it. But the scene in the hospital* makes me die a little bit inside every time I see it, though I guess it's in line with the cold, uncaring mean-spiritedness you see a lot in the comics and such. Which I guess is what they were going for. I do agree with Xenomrph that the overall vibe of the film, small town vs brutal extraterrestrial monsters, is pretty cool. *i don't want to spoil the experience for anyone ITT who hasn't had the pleasure yet
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