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Bushiz posted:I know all about that, and I agree, I'm just kind of astounded that the best that literal white supremacists on 4chan can manage to come up with is miles tamer than the sort of flak I caught for saying that Majora's Mask was better than Ocarina of Time on gamefaqs circa early 2001. Well yeah that's the worst thing you can say to a white middle-class male
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Black Bones posted:So what's with these chumps and John Oliver being called current year man? Wouldn't current week night man make more "sense"? (I'm assuming not saying his name is a harry potter thing) He has a tendency to say "IT'S 2015/2016!" in his rant videos.
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I guess all this stuff falls under the catch all term 'Alt-right' now. http://www.vox.com/2016/4/18/11434098/alt-right-explained?utm_campaign=voxdotcom&utm_medium=social&utm_content=friday&utm_source=facebook quote:The alt-right is often dismissed as white supremacist Trump supporters with Twitter accounts, and they are certainly that. But spend some time talking to key players and reading the movement's central texts, as I did, and you'll find it's more than a simple rebranding of the white nationalist movement. It's the product of the intersection of a longstanding, long-marginalized part of the conservative movement with both the most high-minded and the basest elements of internet culture. It's a mutated revival of a monster William F. Buckley thought he killed in the early 1990s, given new energy by the web.
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Phil Sandifer's book Neoreaction a Basilisk (which I copyedited and advised on) has just kickstarted. Blog post. It does quite a bit of delving into the psyches of Curtis Yarvin (Mencius Moldbug) and Nick Land. Also, it takes the piss out of them relentlessly. I think it's a sheer delight and anyone who enjoys this thread should give the excerpts (one, two) a read.quote:Or, to put it another way, this is a book that uses Eliezer Yudkowsky, Mencius Moldbug, and Nick Land as a loosely stitched together foundation on which to build an oddball philosophical structure made of bits of Hannibal, China Mieville, Alan Turing, Thomas Ligotti, John Milton, and a futuristic AI that will torture you for all eternity if you buy a mosquito net.
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quote:CONSPIRACY ZINE EDITION This is my favorite Kickstarter already.
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GunnerJ posted:This is my favorite Kickstarter already. The conspiracy zine edition (that post includes the text of the first three pages) looks exactly like what we used to do in the '80s (I pointed Phil at Prestige Elite to use as the font - Courier is so declasse dahling) and the colour edition looks like it'll be amazing and I really want one.
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Would I read that if I want to understand and see more of the alt-right influence and give it some dignity, or is it all piss-taking?
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What are some good resources if i am into alt-rightness but without the racism?
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Maoist Pussy posted:What are some good resources if i am into alt-rightness but without the racism? Bleach.
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I am hoping for serious answers from non-racists, thank you.
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Maoist Pussy posted:What are some good resources if i am into alt-rightness but without the racism? / 
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Maoist Pussy posted:I am hoping for serious answers from non-racists, thank you. I prefer the term eugenic realist, thankyou.
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Alt-right without the racism is like a peanut butter cup with out the peanut butter.
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How would you even describe alt-right without any of the -isms? As far as I can tell, this neoreactionary poo poo is all based on campaigning against the social progress that we've made in the last fifty years on "new", "educated" grounds.
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OK, sure, but some social changes should be campaigned against and some shouldn't. Racism, for instance, is insupportable and should never have existed, whereas counternarratives on gender and culture and capitalism are certainly possible.
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blastron posted:How would you even describe alt-right without any of the -isms?
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This reminds me of when the creator of one of the racist subreddits complained that he created it just to bash black people, but it was always getting overrun by anti-semites.
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Maoist Pussy posted:OK, sure, but some social changes should be campaigned against and some shouldn't. Racism, for instance, is insupportable and should never have existed, whereas counternarratives on gender and culture and capitalism are certainly possible. Then find some rigorous published accounts of such arguments and read them. The internet people we're taking about use philosophers' names as cover for being huge racists. There's literally nothing else to any of them. You'll have to read a book.
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Right. What are some of those books? Thanks in advance.
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Nietzsche.
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Maoist Pussy posted:OK, sure, but some social changes should be campaigned against and some shouldn't. Racism, for instance, is insupportable and should never have existed, whereas counternarratives on gender and culture and capitalism are certainly possible. So, like, everything in your avatar but in a way that won't get your rear end beat or keep you accountable Hmn what a loving head scratcher
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Maoist Pussy posted:OK, sure, but some social changes should be campaigned against and some shouldn't. Racism, for instance, is insupportable and should never have existed, whereas counternarratives on gender and culture and capitalism are certainly possible. Donald Trump supporter who is a TERP but not racist. Sounds like you are such edge
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Maoist Pussy posted:OK, sure, but some social changes should be campaigned against and some shouldn't. Racism, for instance, is insupportable and should never have existed, whereas counternarratives on gender and culture and capitalism are certainly possible. I think you'll find that the overlap between people who aren't racist and also think gender equality has gone too far and want gay people to go back in the closet is vanishingly small. "Let's roll back decades of progress for everyone who isn't a straight man -- but also black people are ok," isn't a popular position and you may want to consider why.
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Sharkie posted:I think you'll find that the overlap between people who aren't racist and also think gender equality has gone too far and want gay people to go back in the closet is vanishingly small. "Let's roll back decades of progress for everyone who isn't a straight man -- but also black people are ok," isn't a popular position and you may want to consider why. Its a pretty popular opinion amongst, for instance, black people.
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Maoist Pussy posted:Its a pretty popular opinion amongst, for instance, black people. Oh? http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2016/02/26/3753739/prri-black-homophobia-myth/  quote:Support for marriage equality was a bit low among Black Protestants, with only 38 percent supporting and 54 percent opposing. But on the other two measures, Black Protestants overwhelmingly supported LGBT equality. They favored nondiscrimination laws 64-31, and on the question of religious refusals, black respondents actually opposed exemptions at higher rates than any other racial group, including white respondents: and quote:Dr. Robert Jones, CEO of PRRI, told ThinkProgress that even on the question of marriage equality, black Protestants are more ambivalent than white evangelical Protestants, who oppose same-sex marriage at much higher rates. And this is before unpacking the unstated divide you draw between "black people" and "women and lgbt people," the long history of black feminism, etc. edit - At any rate, the people campaigning against the counternarratives are overwhelmingly white, and within the so-called dark enlightenment or alt-right, very racist. What would be more relevant to the thread is you laying out what "narratives" about gender you think should be campaigned against and why. Sharkie fucked around with this message at 09:24 on May 2, 2016 |
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Sharkie posted:Oh? http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2016/02/26/3753739/prri-black-homophobia-myth/ Please don't argue with the piece of garbage
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And while we're on it, can someone recommend me some Hitler-eque lebenraum/blood-and-soil literature without all the racism?
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I've found Dreams from My Father and The Audacity of Hope to be excellent introductory texts in that genre There is racism in it, but it's the reverse kind, against white men, so it's correct and just in our Lord Cthulhu's sight
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Nietzsche is cool, but he's a little too popular, you know? I'm looking for something fresh. Would Lacan work?
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Perhaps Heidegger would be up your alley. How sincere he was in his Actual Literal Nazism is debated, so you'd have a thin veneer of plausible deniability.
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We are long over due for some conservative academics to troll women's studies and sociology departments everywhere by declaring Foucault one of their own. A Foucauldian neoconservative philosophy would be pretty easy to develop, in fact he arguably got us most of the way there on his own.
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Foucault is the one who was really into fisting, right?
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Nick Land. As part of embracing the machine-god who lurks at the end of time.
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Helsing posted:We are long over due for some conservative academics to troll women's studies and sociology departments everywhere by declaring Foucault one of their own. A Foucauldian neoconservative philosophy would be pretty easy to develop, in fact he arguably got us most of the way there on his own. I found his work on pendulums to be very precessive.
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Helsing posted:We are long over due for some conservative academics to troll women's studies and sociology departments everywhere by declaring Foucault one of their own. A Foucauldian neoconservative philosophy would be pretty easy to develop, in fact he arguably got us most of the way there on his own. Coming soon to a bookseller near you: http://www.polity.co.uk/book.asp?ref=9781509501762 (Probably not by a reactionary and not thrilled with what it diagnoses in Foucault)
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Jack Gladney posted:Coming soon to a bookseller near you: I've read articles discussing this book and while I'm planning to check it out this is really more about the Marxist left trolling the post structuralist left over the fact that their beliefs are politically impotent and internally incoherent.
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If the idea of social rights has withered, is it not precisely because liberalism has rejected the idea of community and culture in favor of individualism and consumerism?
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I thought of the ultimate philosopher of liberal modernity (which ironically means he is anticipating the philosophy of many forms of contemporary conservatism). Even better he's one of the few writers who is still genuinely scandalous enough that a lot of people will become angry or judgement simply knowing you've read him: De Sade. The guy had some... interesting... beliefs. For instance, he was a strong opponent of the death penalty but believed that murder should be legal. Here's an excerpt from one of his numerous depraved novels where he anticipates everything from Ayn Randian style selfishness (complete with the arugment that it's the natural expression of human nature and even the deeper nature of hte universe) as well as a criticism of the SJW mindset, penned two centuries before SJWs were a thing. A young woman named Therese sees a man being trampled by men on horseback in a field. She rushes to his side after the men have left and treats his wounds, much to his gratitude: quote:I continue to direct my steps toward Vienne, having decided to sell what remains to me in order to get on to Grenoble: I was walking along sadly when, at a quarter league's distance from this city, I spied a plain to the right of the highway, and in the fields were two riders busily trampling a man beneath their horses' hooves; after having left him for dead, the pair rode off at a gallop. Th an unluckier person than I; health and strength at least remain to me, I can earn my living, and if that poor fellow is not rich, what is to become of him ?" The man offers to give her a job in reward for her saving his life, and then leads her to his home - a remote castle in the mountains. Therese becomes anxious as she recognizes that this is clearly a bandit den and not the home of a legitimate and trustworthy man: quote:"What is the trouble, Therese?" he demanded, urging me on toward his fortress; "you are not out of France; we are on the Dauphine border and within the bishopric of Grenoble." I was going to argue you could turn this into a pretty funny and comprehensive reactionary anti-modern philosophy but then I remembered that Hans Herman-Hoppe already exists.
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