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Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



dogsicle posted:

Her scarf before was yellow, now it's red. Pretty simple.

Scarfs just means what grade you in.

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Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



Hajime is basically teenage twitter buddha and Im perfectly ok with that. J.J is basically old school buddha and figured out his brand of enlightenment is just not attainable now days.

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



kater posted:

First season isn't nearly about Hajime as you are making it seem. She's got a strong presence in the first half but Rui and Katze takeover eventually. Also her milk revolt was foreshadowing the CROWDS chaos pretty hard. Sure she didn't seem to suffer any repercussions for it but I don't think the show was saying she was right. Also I didn't ever get the impression that she 'won' against Katze.

She did win against Katze. Katze's entire point is that he found pleasure in everyone elses misery, schadenfreude basically. Hajime found happiness in everyone elses happiness, mudita basically. In the end Hajime, throug Rui, had made everyone happy and with no misery to be had Katze went bonkers. In the end she took him out just like she was planning to, without killing him and without her dying in the process.

That being said, she probably doesnt see it as a victory. Shes probably so detached that she doesnt even think in win/lose scenarios.

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



chumbler posted:

I hope Katze never escapes and Hajime talking to her very rude boobs just becomes a running gag.

Katze should start a band and call it Hajime's Rude Boobs.

e- or a stand up routine with Gelsadra.

actually I just marathoned everything so far after not actually having the time to watch any shows till now.

If Berg was schadenfreude, Hajime mudita and Rui hope then Rizumin is cynicism which makes him a direct foil to Rui. Season 1 played with apparent foils till it became obvious who contrasted who later in the series.

Its why its harder to make Rizumin do a heel-face turn because his core principals seem to be absolute mistrust in humanity. This isn't like the other characters, or Rui himself in the first season, where idealism is tempered by realism. Rizumin seems to be straight out cynical about the human race. I don't see that changing all that fast without a whole lot more happening, certainly not with Rui's display. But maybe Rui isn't directly appealing to him in this case, but to everyone else.

Cao Ni Ma fucked around with this message at 15:49 on Jul 19, 2015

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



Then Rui's note will be purple with fuchsia stripes, the most fabulous note :shepface:

Surprised too see how Hajime's note now has red on it to symbolize Katze being in her. Its a nice touch.

Davincie posted:

but yeah gel is obviously going evil, i mean come on
If she does it'll be a Nyx sort of thing where she draws in a bunch of cynical/nihilist vibes and decides that what humanity wants is the sweet sweet embrace of death.

Cao Ni Ma fucked around with this message at 16:32 on Jul 19, 2015

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



Gelsadra works through what we can assume is a majority consensus of what people are thinking, which matches the political undertones the series is having so far. So far Tsubasa seems to match popular opinion on matters, which is why Gel, well gels with her. The point of Rui's scene is that the opinions of the majority doesn't necessarily reflect what the individual wants, which is what Hajime/OD mention.

There is a lot of contrast between Hajime and Tsubasa right now most of it stemming from Tsubasa's strong opinions and Hajime's detachment. Hajime is basically taking Sengcans views on opinions "The Great Way is not difficult for those who have no preferences. When love and hate are both absent everything becomes clear and undisguised" and "If you wish to see the truth then hold no opinions for or against anything. To set up what you like against what you dislike is the disease of the mind."

Clashing opinions are a central point in this season, you can see it with the crowds issue and voting. Theres a lot of scenes where people visually and audibly make their opinions be heard. So it will be interesting to see how Hajime and more importantly, Tsubasa's grandfather and the story of his dead soldier brother will impact the narrative(we can assume that the granddad Is equally as detached). Tsubasa in particular.

Cao Ni Ma fucked around with this message at 01:26 on Jul 26, 2015

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



So given the indirect focus in the first few episodes with Tsubasa's grandfather and his dead brother I decided to brush up on some info I vaguely remembered about the rise of Japanese nationalism that eventually lead to their imperial expansions and actions in WW2.

Near the end of the 19th century up till around 1925 japan started to pass several laws which stifled dissidence culminating in the Peace Preservation Law of 1925. It criminalized any ideas that would infringe on the "Kokutai" or national body/sovereignty/identity. It was mostly used to crack down on organizations that promoted communism/socialism/republicanism/democracy/etc, anything that would rock the boat. Japan created a special task force dedicated to persecuting these groups, called the Tokkou, or sometimes known colloquially as "Shiso Keisatsu" the Thought Police, this is years before Orwell popularized the term. Mind you, most Japanese at the time didn't mind this mostly because a few days after passing the PPL universal male suffrage was approved.

The foundation for a similar conflict is being built in the show right now, some by people that actually try to do good. Some that are just about business. Of course, Hajime is the only one that's actually grasped whats happening right now and of course she cant really explain it to people yet. But like the first season I'm guessing people will eventually understand what shes going on about.

Cao Ni Ma fucked around with this message at 16:04 on Jul 27, 2015

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



Man Sugane really likes drinking now. I'm imagining every cabinet and the fridge full of beer. Which wouldn't be that bad if your room mate wasn't twitter Buddha

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



Beef Chief posted:

Did Hajime graduated or is she still in school

I think she's in her last year of high school. She should be unless its been longer than a year since last season.

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



Gel's wind base attacks and abilities sort of fit what he represents. They kept using the term "kuuki" which translates to mood or atmosphere in a place generated by people, but its literary air. Lesbear anime used the general concept of kuuki for the invisible storm element in their show, in this case Gel is using innocent storms. Similar concepts but executed in polar opposite directions. In one show it was clear from the start that the storm was no good, in Insight its portraying the person wielding it to having good intentions but probably is going to evolve into it being ultimately not good either.

ZenMasterBullshit posted:

Jou's also the only one who budge on his ideals so far, admitting that he knows that the way things are going and the things he's doing to help aren't what the should be happening, but he'll do it anyway since maybe it'll lead to his dream. But it's not going to, because he balked when others stood firm. Hilariously, it seems it was Rui's willingness to die for his beliefs that made Jou compromise. It feels like Jou's arc is going to be more about questioning his actions in how he pursues his ideals instead of the ideals which makes a neat set with Rui, whose ideals are being tested and attacked left and right, and Tsubasa, who has really simple ideals but doesn't think about them nor how they actually stand in the harsh light of reality.

Gatchaman is a good show.
Jou felt like he needed to get it out of his chest when confronted by Hajime so I'm sure he's already starting to have second thoughts. The mayor asking him about whether or not his goal was still world peace and Tsubasa's grandfathers last words to her before she left still ring true here. You can't carry the weight of "peace". This show is about sagely old men and a sagely young woman teaching kids to slow the gently caress down.

I like that Hajime's I see face ticked Joe off. Like he was expecting her to debate him or something but she cut that poo poo right there.

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



Season 1 didnt have a whole lot of fighting either. It was mostly speeches about both the good and bad in humanity, and how the good can triumph over the bad even when poo poo looks extremely grim.

As for Gel, all it will take is for the public to do a 180 on something for him to swing around with them. I dont think he will do the actual demagoguery, but if other loud people start to change public opinion negatively he'll pick that up and think its all the people want. What I'm saying is that the actual final boss is Millione.

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



It could go both ways, he could be like Jou and is OK with the ends justifying the means in this particular case, or he could think that Gel is far more dangerous than Crowds are.

I'm guessing that he's actually more scared of Gel than he is of crowds though. Crowds is a tool while Gel is the embodiment of the masses, and he seems to loving hate the masses.

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



His views were co-opted, used as a springboard to start a campaign and now its spiraling in a direction that I doubt he likes. Crowds are just a tool he thought could be misused, while Gel is the physical representation of the thing he hates most about humanity.

There is no way he could have anticipated this sort of turn around, so I doubt he's being smug because he has a plan somehow. His "goals" have already been met, just in a way he probably never wanted.

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



Was going to sit down and watch the stream but apparently its been delayed by a few hours :sigh:

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



Man Jou's rage is palpable. He's going to start smoking again at some point in this season, I can feel it. Also I was expecting Tsubasa's confrontation with her granpa at some point but not this early, I was expecting her to butt heads with Hajime a few times again before moving on to grandpa but maybe she'll clash one more time with him just in time for the brothers backstory to tie in with the events.

Also there are slight hints with for the coming conflict looks like Gel is having an interest to Hajime having Katze inside of her. Really there isn't much of a difference between believing Crowds is bad and letting someone with a weapon of mass destruction inside of her walking about. Both are based on mistrusting people. So I'm guessing some manner of conflict is going to erupt from this

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



Davincie posted:

i've had it with gel's do goody populist bullshit. kill him already hajime

Hajime's been making space inside of her in case she needs to pull out the final solution.

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



I don't think the show will use outside of japan examples to prove its point when it can draw from so many examples within its own shores. Hajime might or might not know about European fascism, she might not even know about Japanese statism, since she operates on raw detached wisdom she doesn't need to know it, she'll still know what needs to be done.

Tsubasa's grandfather though, definitely reached his state through a lifetime of experience, so he knows first hand the effects of political syncretism/fascism and how it affected japan.

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



We already know CROWDs use was shut down and Rui didn't try to interfere. I dont think he'll try to do anything in regards to GALAX but I'm guessing X is going to go "gently caress that I'm not gonna work if people are going to use me like this", which will freak people out since they depend so much on it. It'll be interesting to see something like that happened because its easier to otherize an AI that isnt really human and see how Gel/Tsubaba would react to it given the last episode confrontation with the granddad.

Plus if they confiscate Rui's note to stop potential CROWDs use and Rizumu thinks that Gel is worse than the Crowds then it can lead to him using his note in conjunction with X to spread red crowds around. Then it'll be red loving everywhere.

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



Reminder, EP7 in last season was when the poo poo hit the fan in spectacular fashion. Rui already had his seasonal beating so who's the one thats going to get a rude awakening in tomorrows episode?

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



The monsters are going to be Gelsadras thought police.

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



Delayed AGAIN. Apparently a few shows got pushed back for some reason, this includes Symphogear as well :sigh:

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



Soooo the soundtrack list came out...there is a song called

In exchange for my life

Uhhhhh

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



Davincie posted:

where did you see about the delay

It was posted in their twitter, apparently a sports match delayed a few shows

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010





Things got a little weird when Jou realized Gel was expecting.

e-Words cannot describe my hatred towards Tsubasa. Whenever she goes "I dont understand complex thing" I just grimace so loving hard.

Cao Ni Ma fucked around with this message at 22:21 on Aug 15, 2015

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



Bad Seafood posted:

Tsubasa's problem is she's a very earnest, straight-forward person who only thinks in the short term. As a team member she'd be a valuable asset, but in a leadership position she's just a liability.

I dont know how much of an asset she's actually been to the team though. She's openly disregarded orders and pleas from other team members and does her own thing without regard to the consequences. She tends to fully ignore what people are trying to tell her with their best intentions, she just goes "Nope this is right because look here its working"

Hajime and JJ know she's going to be instrumental to actually finding a solution to the problem, but right now she's just an rear end.

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



Pootybutt posted:

lol so Hajime?

i will fight you

but seriously in season 1 by the third episode you knew that everyone in team gatcha except for sugane were a bunch of sadbrains and she was the kick in the rear end they needed. Where as Tsubasa is...an everyman that is incredibly idiotic and the only possible way of redemption is to realize how much of a fuckup she's been.

Cao Ni Ma fucked around with this message at 00:43 on Aug 16, 2015

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



Kylra posted:

Jou is just a cynical realist that would like to see a world something like Rui wants to make, but doesn't think it can happen now/ever. It grates on him that he has to play a "trick" on the general populace to get things done to move that direction, and especially behind someone like Gel, but he sees doing nothing or directly opposing Gel up to this point as insufficient means to have a chance of reaching the ends. Seems relatively straightforward to me.

Also, I don't get the feeling Jou has thrown up his hands in relation to Gel, at least not yet. He has, however, thrown up his hands in relation to all the "6" people under the 2-6-2 rule, which is why he is helping Gel in the first place.

Well in a sense he hasn't thrown up his hands in relation to Gel yet because they both go around trying to change the world in the same matter of fashion. That is, change the environment to better suit people, the problem is that you cant change the environment to suit everyone and the environment created is a reflection of those that created it (In this case Gels). Its ultimately the wrong way of going about it. You have to change the individual and the world will naturally follow, on a personal level. Which is what Rui is trying to do.

The show is very buddhist in nature when it comes to conflict resolution. I've been joking about Hajime being Twitter Buddha but it really is the best way to describe her. All her advise revolve around changing how people think, and then they liberate themselves from the fetters that bind them. That way, even if the world looks like its going up in flames, people can pull through. And boy does Gel have a lot of fetters.

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



I heard there wasn't but I cant really check while I'm at the work computer.

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



Its fine, as long as they dont make a recap episode it wont be a loss.

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



Reminder gatchaman is today and the raw stream is in less than an hour.

Also the lyrics for a lot of the songs on the new album are out and ooooh boy Gels image song is all sorts of :stare: :catstare: :stonk: :gonk:

e- welp it got delayed again

Cao Ni Ma fucked around with this message at 17:15 on Aug 29, 2015

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



By like 2 hours. Blame sports likers

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



Yeah those, Hajime fits the first while Gel is probably the last one.

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



Wow the last few minutes of that episode were full on crazy.

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



Grouchio posted:

So what just happened?

The inevitable.

Tsubasa is not only the everyman, she's the very representation of a thought process which eventually becomes incredibly destructive. Like the Kuus aren't even like Gelsadra, they resemble Tsubasa more than anything and like I said half jokingly a few episodes ago, they are the thought police. What I was not expecting was Rui getting absolutely destroyed the way he did, like it happened last episode but we didnt even know it happened till this one. Also given the events happening I'm expecting X to team up with Rizumu and what few people that retain their individuality to band up to summon red crowds

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



ZenMasterBullshit posted:

So Gramps is dead meat right now, right? I'm guessing his being taken will shake Tsubasa up and possibly out of it.

Someone is going to bite it and thematically speaking old man is probably the best fit right now.

Reminder "In exchange for my life" is NOT the song that played with Rui in the tower. And given the literal naming convention for this song I'm expecting it to be the "Why I kissed him" of this season.

e-Although Tsubasa going "He's my cute little brother" about Gel might actually swing this the other way around and make her a parallel to younger Yuru-ji. It could be BOTH!

Cao Ni Ma fucked around with this message at 22:20 on Aug 29, 2015

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



"You are a gatchamn though. Way more of a gatchaman than me"

Although true, you shouldn't be flaunting your divinity around like this Hajime. :v:

That whole exchange was very thoughtful. Although it makes more sense for her to be saying "you will be joining me" instead of "i will be joining you" but I dont think there is much of a distinction in Hajime's mind. Ahh insight is such a fitting subtitle for is.

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



It will never stop being hilarious how Hajime is saying her very serious yet clumsily delivered advices and then the camara suddenly does an extreme zoom to her very rude boobs.

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



dogsicle posted:

Kuu-sama is the worst!

Thinking more on them,they aren't even an extension of Gel. Kuu's are people, just taking Gels views to an extreme even he isnt capable of reaching.

Its telling that the scariest things this season are both representation of the masses.

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



Also the kuus are part of the buddhist flag just missing two of the colours. Yellow, or the avoidance of extremes and orange, wisdom/insight

Although if they are using the japanese variant then green is balance as well

Cao Ni Ma fucked around with this message at 02:04 on Aug 30, 2015

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Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



Eh Im pretty sure that if someone in japan sees blue white red green and yellow together they'll think of the goshikimaku. Forgot that their tongues were green so Im not seeing any other possible reasons given the tones in the show.

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