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MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!

Gavok posted:

The altered reality stuff was more fan speculation because they figured something big was about to happen at that big iPPV and weren't sure what. Otherwise, yeah, Ashes was pretty dumb.

There are parts about it I liked, I respected the ambition to try it and it actually ended really well, but it was a self-serious mess that dragged on for-loving-ever. By the time it started to get interesting towards the end, people were just tired of it and wanted them to do wrestling matches and stuff. At the same time, they DID have wrestling matches for the replacement promotions (Wrestling is Cool, Wrestling is Intense, etc.), but they were heatless affairs that nobody came to see. You had a year of story with no wrestling alongside a year of wrestling with no story and it just wasn't worth the effort.

Then they released Ashes of Chikara, a feature-length version of the storyline using the YouTube videos they made and other footage. On paper it looked like it could work by streamlining the angle and filling in any blanks.They seemed serious about it enough that they even took out an ad in some Dark Horse comics that month. What they released was an incomprehensible clusterfuck of some of the worst acting, with important plot points completely missing, making it even more confusing than it originally was. Even the people in the Chikara forum felt cheated out of their money.

It didn't help that they tried building towards this right after their worst iPPV, which was their creative low-point by far and killed all of the company's momentum dead. This includes having the Young Bucks as tag champs and wasting them on a match with an out-of-shape 1-2-3 Kid and a broken-down Marty Jannetty. For best two out of three, too.

The real dumbest thing in wrestling is how proud Quack is of that awful suit he's started wearing since the Ashes premiere.

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Edge & Christian
May 20, 2001

Earth-1145 is truly the best!
A world of singing, magic frogs,
high adventure, no shitposters

Purple Monkey posted:

I'd love to know the thought process behind making Mae Young's baby a hand.

I'm guessing mountains of cocaine were involved at some stage
According to Jerry Lawler's book, the payoff was supposed to be a douche bag but people successfully convinced Vince that a) most people under 50 didn't really know what that even looked like and b) there was no way they'd be allowed to say "douchebag" on air. Vince was dead-set on SOMETHING coming out of Mae Young's vagina all gross and slimy to gross out Jerry Briscoe, and eventually they settled on a rubber hand.

syzpid
Aug 9, 2014
I went to an NWA New Jersey show back in 2001 which featured Chris Candido, Steve Corino, Lil Guido, a bunch of other former ECW guys and Virgil/Vince.

Virgil had his table setup from just about as soon as the doors opened. The promoted had to go, drag him away from his table when the matches started. Then the main event became Corino Vs Candido. Just as they were about to start, the nWo music starts playing and Virgil comes out and says "you weren't going to have the main event without me!". Corino and Candido put on a great match, while every once and a while Virgil would go over to one of them, get punched, roll outside the ring and lay down for a while, rinse and repeat. The match lasted a good 15 minutes and Virgil did the absolute bare minimum.

Virgil also spent intermission in the ring, largely being ignored by everyone as Candido and Corino had huge lines.

Also everyone working on the show had those "Rumors of our demise have been greatly exaggerated" NWA t-shirts, which I always found ridiculous.

Gavok
Oct 10, 2005

Brock! Oh, man, I'm sorry about your...

...tooth?


I just remembered one of the all-time dumbest things I've seen in wrestling: The WCW/MTV Ultimate Video Bash.

Airing in the middle of the day on a weekend in 1998, the live event was a tournament where wrestlers represented music videos. They would come out and one of two things would happen. Either they would have a match to decide which video advanced or they would have the fans at home vote via 900 number. Unfortunately, it was outside and raining heavily. We would only get one wrestling match in the very beginning.

High Voltage (representing "Gettin' Jiggy with It" by Will Smith) vs. Public Enemy (representing "Mama Said Knock You Out" by LL Cool J)

Listen to that High Voltage promo. Listen to it.

Sadly, the rest of the show isn't uploaded. With it deemed too dangerous to have wrestling matches in the rain, the three-hour special got chopped down to two and it was nothing but wrestlers coming out and talking up their pet music videos. You had Barry Darsow coming out to explain why the fans at home should call up and vote for Run DMC. That happened.

The show ended with DDP vs. Raven, only Raven sent Kidman out to represent him. DDP proceeded to win and got in a brawl with Raven to send the fans home happy. DDP represented Van Halen's "Without You." So WCW and MTV's big tournament ended with motherfucking Gary Cherone Van Halen winning and that in itself is the dumbest thing.

Delsaber
Oct 1, 2013

This may or may not be correct.

Purple Monkey posted:

I'd love to know the thought process behind making Mae Young's baby a hand.

I'm guessing mountains of cocaine were involved at some stage

There's a great quote from Mark Henry about this somewhere. He asked Vince what the deal was with the hand, and all Vince said was, "it's a hand!" before laughing hysterically and wandering off without answering the question.

Gavok
Oct 10, 2005

Brock! Oh, man, I'm sorry about your...

...tooth?


Vince McMahon is pretty amazing. Horrible human being, but amazing nonetheless.

Cubone
May 26, 2011

Because it never leaves its bedroom, no one has ever seen this poster's real face.

Delsaber posted:

There's a great quote from Mark Henry about this somewhere. He asked Vince what the deal was with the hand, and all Vince said was, "it's a hand!" before laughing hysterically and wandering off without answering the question.

That is delightful.

CoolCat
Jun 29, 2015

Gavok posted:

Vince McMahon is pretty amazing. Horrible human being, but amazing nonetheless.

A lot of adjectives (shout out Kevin Nash) can some up Vince: crazy, beautiful, smart, thick... he is amazing indeed.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!

Gavok posted:

I just remembered one of the all-time dumbest things I've seen in wrestling: The WCW/MTV Ultimate Video Bash.

Airing in the middle of the day on a weekend in 1998, the live event was a tournament where wrestlers represented music videos. They would come out and one of two things would happen. Either they would have a match to decide which video advanced or they would have the fans at home vote via 900 number. Unfortunately, it was outside and raining heavily. We would only get one wrestling match in the very beginning.

High Voltage (representing "Gettin' Jiggy with It" by Will Smith) vs. Public Enemy (representing "Mama Said Knock You Out" by LL Cool J)

Listen to that High Voltage promo. Listen to it.

Sadly, the rest of the show isn't uploaded. With it deemed too dangerous to have wrestling matches in the rain, the three-hour special got chopped down to two and it was nothing but wrestlers coming out and talking up their pet music videos. You had Barry Darsow coming out to explain why the fans at home should call up and vote for Run DMC. That happened.

The show ended with DDP vs. Raven, only Raven sent Kidman out to represent him. DDP proceeded to win and got in a brawl with Raven to send the fans home happy. DDP represented Van Halen's "Without You." So WCW and MTV's big tournament ended with motherfucking Gary Cherone Van Halen winning and that in itself is the dumbest thing.

I've had the Tuesday Nitro curator looking for it so I bet we find it soon.

Niwrad
Jul 1, 2008

Disappointed no one posted the Big Show - Bossman feud.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhSh35ryueA

My favorite part is that they had to convince a cemetery to shoot this skit there.

projecthalaxy
Dec 27, 2008

Yes hello it is I Kurt's Secret Son


WWE and Girls Gone Wild co-promoting a PPV back in 2004 or whatever was pretty bad. Also Eugene Bischoff, although he did lead to that amazing Regal promo on HHH.

Strenuous Manflurry
Sep 5, 2006

THE END
Katie Vick was brought up on page 1, but I didn't see a video, and really, it bears watching. I still cannot believe they did this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlpSsklsq2s

Shine
Feb 26, 2007

No Muscles For The Majority

Strenuous Manflurry posted:

Katie Vick was brought up on page 1, but I didn't see a video, and really, it bears watching. I still cannot believe they did this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlpSsklsq2s

I showed my girlfriend this professional wrestling storyline corpse rape a while back, and she gradually went from :what: to cupping her hands over her mouth, staring wide-eyed and saying "NO!" every few seconds.

Gavok
Oct 10, 2005

Brock! Oh, man, I'm sorry about your...

...tooth?


MassRafTer posted:

I've had the Tuesday Nitro curator looking for it so I bet we find it soon.

Please let me know if you have any luck on that. That's my holy grail.

Or at least it is after someone finally uploaded that weird "Roddy Piper steals a talkshow from Herve Villechaize and shows clips of upcoming Saturday morning cartoons" TV special.

Pinstripe Hourglass
Nov 27, 2008

=RIVER PEOPLE=
Ay yi yi! We look
like... cartoons!

Where is this because that sounds amazing

RacistGuidingLight
Apr 5, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
YOOOOOOUR

RacistGuidingLight
Apr 5, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSTS

Dr. Ass
Apr 21, 2008

Genetic Toaster posted:

Chavo Guerrero renouncing his hispanic heritage and renaming himself "Kerwin White".

this is extremely wrong but they did have to tone it back after realizing he was talking like a white supremacist at first

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009
The funniest part of that is that Kerwin's 'white' accent was basically Chavo talking normally.

DJExile
Jun 28, 2007


oh my god how did I forget kerwin white, that was incredible

Golden Bee
Dec 24, 2009

I came here to chew bubblegum and quote 'They Live', and I'm... at an impasse.
Kerwin's theme music was pretty good.

DukeofCA
Aug 18, 2011

I am shocked and appalled.

Gavok posted:

I just remembered one of the all-time dumbest things I've seen in wrestling: The WCW/MTV Ultimate Video Bash.

Airing in the middle of the day on a weekend in 1998, the live event was a tournament where wrestlers represented music videos. They would come out and one of two things would happen. Either they would have a match to decide which video advanced or they would have the fans at home vote via 900 number. Unfortunately, it was outside and raining heavily. We would only get one wrestling match in the very beginning.

High Voltage (representing "Gettin' Jiggy with It" by Will Smith) vs. Public Enemy (representing "Mama Said Knock You Out" by LL Cool J)

Listen to that High Voltage promo. Listen to it.

Sadly, the rest of the show isn't uploaded. With it deemed too dangerous to have wrestling matches in the rain, the three-hour special got chopped down to two and it was nothing but wrestlers coming out and talking up their pet music videos. You had Barry Darsow coming out to explain why the fans at home should call up and vote for Run DMC. That happened.

The show ended with DDP vs. Raven, only Raven sent Kidman out to represent him. DDP proceeded to win and got in a brawl with Raven to send the fans home happy. DDP represented Van Halen's "Without You." So WCW and MTV's big tournament ended with motherfucking Gary Cherone Van Halen winning and that in itself is the dumbest thing.

Holy poo poo I remember this. I recall young me being very disgruntled that Metallica was being represented by one of the jobber Armstrongs. I think it was Scott?

Edit: No it was probably Brad.

Gavok
Oct 10, 2005

Brock! Oh, man, I'm sorry about your...

...tooth?


Pinstripe Hourglass posted:

Where is this because that sounds amazing

All-Star Rock 'n' Wrestling Saturday Spectacular. Pro-click.

Back in the day, networks would occasionally do an hour-long special based on hyping up the upcoming fall Saturday morning cartoon lineup. In 1985, back when Hulk Hogan's Rock 'n' Wrestling was about to hit the scene, they did a special where Herve Villechaize was supposed to host a talk show, but Roddy Piper stole it away from him and locked him out of the studio or something. The announcer is Gary Owens (the original Space Ghost) and the guests include Patti LaBelle, Pee-Wee Herman, New Edition and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, while Captain Lou and Cyndi Lauper also show up.

So if you're interested in seeing heel Piper play off Pee-Wee, this is for you. The whole thing is a trip.

Gavok
Oct 10, 2005

Brock! Oh, man, I'm sorry about your...

...tooth?


Edit: Double posting is the dumbest thing

Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

RABBIT RABBIT
RABBIT RABBIT

CoolCat posted:

Rewatching WCW New Blood Rising to see if it's as bad as I remember (it is).

That show had a great gimmicky match between Mike Awesome and Lance Storm for the United States Canadian Heavyweight Championship where Storm's Canadian referee, Jacques Rougeau, kept informing Awesome that his pinfalls and submission victories did not count under Canadian rules.

edit: The dumbest thing I've seen in wrestling was when Vince wanted to do an incest angle with his daughter and almost went through with it.

Animal-Mother fucked around with this message at 02:20 on Jul 19, 2015

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009

Animal-Mother posted:

That show had a great gimmicky match between Mike Awesome and Lance Storm for the United States Canadian Heavyweight Championship where Storm's Canadian referee, Jacques Rougeau, kept informing Awesome that his pinfalls and submission victories did not count under Canadian rules.

Except the show was in Canada, and the 'special secret rules' gimmick is a heel move. Basically, WCW booked a match specifically to not get over.

Cool Post Beg
Mar 6, 2008

DADDY MAGIC

Animal-Mother posted:


edit: The dumbest thing I've seen in wrestling was when Vince wanted to do an incest angle with his daughter and almost went through with it.


:bahgawd: Well Vince, you know, there are a lot of guys out there that like incest. There's incest porn sites.

Listening to Review a Wai and Sid Vicious vs The Night Stalker (Brian Clark) is worth loading up Clash of the Champions XIII on the network, it's a loving awful match.

Ninja PD
Jul 21, 2006
There's a lot worse way to dealing with childhood issues than writing a wrestling angle.

DynamiteKidd
Jun 11, 2015

by Shine

Gaz-L posted:

Except the show was in Canada, and the 'special secret rules' gimmick is a heel move. Basically, WCW booked a match specifically to not get over.

In point of fact the Canadian crowd loved it whenever Rougeau restarted the match even though Storm lost clean in the middle of the ring 4 times. And then Bret Hart came out and hugged them both, approving of Lance's dishonesty and lack of wrestling skill. The nationalism was frankly disgusting; if Dr. Charlie Manson von Haterape was Canadian and ate a baby in the ring, he'd get a giant face pop in Canada.

I'd say Russo intentionally booked the match so the crowd would make fools of themselves cheering the heel for perpetrating a massive screwjob, but I think that was utterly incidental and Vince had no clue this would happen.

delfin
Dec 5, 2003

SNATTER'S ALIVE?!?!
It may not be THE dumbest thing, but Little People's Court was in the top ten.

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009

DynamiteKidd posted:

In point of fact the Canadian crowd loved it whenever Rougeau restarted the match even though Storm lost clean in the middle of the ring 4 times. And then Bret Hart came out and hugged them both, approving of Lance's dishonesty and lack of wrestling skill. The nationalism was frankly disgusting; if Dr. Charlie Manson von Haterape was Canadian and ate a baby in the ring, he'd get a giant face pop in Canada.

I'd say Russo intentionally booked the match so the crowd would make fools of themselves cheering the heel for perpetrating a massive screwjob, but I think that was utterly incidental and Vince had no clue this would happen.

What's the alternative, though? Cheer the anti-Canada babyface? "YAY, HE'S RIGHT, WE DO SUCK!".

They're not going to cheer Awesome, and not going to boo Storm. The best result you can hope for is the heel gets pops.

DynamiteKidd
Jun 11, 2015

by Shine
Maybe poo poo on the match for booking Lance Storm to look as bad as possible?

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!

Gaz-L posted:

What's the alternative, though? Cheer the anti-Canada babyface? "YAY, HE'S RIGHT, WE DO SUCK!".

They're not going to cheer Awesome, and not going to boo Storm. The best result you can hope for is the heel gets pops.

Maybe not book the match.

goc
Mar 26, 2013

I joined the new sensation, the #RXT REVOLUTION~!

:chillout:

he knows...
This

DynamiteKidd
Jun 11, 2015

by Shine
You're right, though, it was silly of me to say "Why not go dead for the stupid match that makes Lance Storm look like poo poo?" Of course he gets giant babyface hero pops for losing and heeling, he's from the same country as the other people in the crowd (and not even the same province, just the same country in general)

oatgan
Jan 15, 2009


STRONGLY disagree

zetamind2000
Nov 6, 2007

I'm an alien.

Hoss Corncave posted:

That wasn't the end of it. The Attitude Era Podcast guys covered it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rG5e3J1wnd0

Literally everything about this owns.

Sushi in Yiddish
Feb 2, 2008

Gavok posted:

All-Star Rock 'n' Wrestling Saturday Spectacular. Pro-click.

Back in the day, networks would occasionally do an hour-long special based on hyping up the upcoming fall Saturday morning cartoon lineup. In 1985, back when Hulk Hogan's Rock 'n' Wrestling was about to hit the scene, they did a special where Herve Villechaize was supposed to host a talk show, but Roddy Piper stole it away from him and locked him out of the studio or something. The announcer is Gary Owens (the original Space Ghost) and the guests include Patti LaBelle, Pee-Wee Herman, New Edition and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, while Captain Lou and Cyndi Lauper also show up.

So if you're interested in seeing heel Piper play off Pee-Wee, this is for you. The whole thing is a trip.

This is insane.

I guess it's a testament to the characters in 80s wrestling that they are so cartoonish they are making the actual saturday morning cartoons look restrained and subtle by comparison.

E: Also WWE needs to get off it's rear end and upload the rest of the Rock'n Wrestling episodes to the Network

Sushi in Yiddish fucked around with this message at 06:03 on Jul 19, 2015

Golden Bee
Dec 24, 2009

I came here to chew bubblegum and quote 'They Live', and I'm... at an impasse.
Everything in this thread is stupid.

The MOST stupid, and in fact the angriest I'll ever get at a wrestling angle, was the Secret Raw GM.
It lasted more than a year, from June 21, 2010 to July 18, 2011, and was called back July 9, 2012.


For MONTHS, there was a secret tweener GM. Months and months, with Cole interrupting matches to announce matches, rematches, etc etc etc. People got jumped; Bret Hart was fired; Hornswoggle was attacked; the Nexus was supported and thwarted.
Edge feuded with it and smashed a laptop to turn face (leading to his final WHC run with the company).


No resolution, for months.


Until a random RAW, when they say they were going to unmask the Anonymous GM.
Santino comes to the ring...
[and realize that the mystery has gone on for TWO loving YEARS.
More than 100 episodes of Raw.]
and announces...
it's Hornswoggle.

Now, wrestling may have been dumb in a segment, but this dumb in more than a hundred segments.

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Mob
May 7, 2002

Me reading your posts

nope everything I listed was way dumber than an obvious payoff to a bad angle

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