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HorseLord
Aug 26, 2014
Austerity works perfectly once you understand the actual purpose is different from the stated purpose.

The actual purpose is to do away with things you don't like, like "welfare" and "a workforce that expects a decent standard of living." Create a large enough mass of desperate starving people and they'll do your bitch work for pennies. You don't even have to worry about them quitting because if they do there's another 3000 people standing behind them desperate for an income.

This has nothing to do with "fixing the economy" in any sense a humane person would want it to be fixed. But if you subscribe to "more money for us; gently caress you", it's very favorable.

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HorseLord
Aug 26, 2014
That analogy is the stupidest loving thing because not only have successive greek governments done everything they've been asked to by their lenders, those things have actually hurt the economy.

What Greece have been asked to do has never been about making the country financially sound enough to pay off it's debts. It's entirely been about forcing them to sell off state owned property at exceptionally low prices, and to keep the Greek economy as bad as physically possible in order to create a large body of impoverished people desperate for even the worst paid, most demeaning and inhumane work. The lenders certainly don't actually have anything to lose if the debt is never serviced; but they do have everything to gain by loving the Greek people. The actual Greek bourgeois who took part in the creation of this mess are safely insulated from any consequences anyway.

HorseLord
Aug 26, 2014

GulMadred posted:

That's slightly incorrect. He's basically a contrarian who is always willing to espouse whichever position goes against the consensus - especially if it's a Very Serious Person position (e.g. smash the unions, eat the poor) which offends the delicate sensibilities of his interlocutors. I assume that he does this to disrupt groupthink and thereby encourage forum posters to do their homework, think for themselves, examine countervailing evidence, etc...

In theory, this could be a valuable public service. In practice, he tends to latch onto minor points (e.g. sticking with the Econ101 idea that "austerity measures can be used to balance the budget," in the context of a Eurozone discussion, even after admitting that it's inapplicable to a sovereign debt crisis and that fiscal multipliers would make the debt spiral out of control). And he tends to champion a very narrow portion of the "opposing" viewpoint - he'll argue the merits of austerity, but he's not actually an Austerian and he doesn't believe that it's an appropriate response to the current crisis. Because people are lazy, they tend to read his (narrow) arguments, assign him into a category (e.g. Chicago school neoliberal marketeer) and then start an argument full of misunderstandings which goes nowhere.

This wouldn't be a problem if Asdf32 would actually take pains to correct the misunderstandings and explain his contrarian position. But instead he just reiterates his premises (e.g. "austerity means decreasing the deficit"), sits astride his I'm-technically-correct-which-is-the-best-kind-of-correct high horse, and watches the thread get derailed.

This would be an accurate summary of him if it wasn't for the fact that he always says some dumb poo poo you can easily debunk, gets smacked down, then moves on to a second, even stupider point, and then a third. After about three pages he then posts the first one again as if he was saying something original that hadn't been responded to already.

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