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Someone was put high on a threat list for spurious reasons, greatly inconveniencing them and causing them to sue the US government. This is exactly the same as being locked up indefinitely without trial by an authoritarian regime. Signed: A. Goon
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Cockmaster posted:I'd imagine you could find at least some room for improvement in the human rights department pretty much everywhere. All this bickering over "moral high ground" is nothing more than ad hominem bullshit. The US has the moral high ground over almost all of its regional rivals, hope that helps.
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Jul 18, 2015 01:10
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Honestly there is still a shitload of global goodwill towards the US. The people most critical of the US in my experience are almost always Americans themselves, Europeans/Canadians tend to be, at worst, smug over petty poo poo rather than outright hostile.
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Jul 18, 2015 02:31
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Chomskyan posted:The two stories in the OP aren't comparable, but the US is just as guilty as China of human rights abuses if not more so. The difference is the US commits them internationally through kidnapping, torture, and, irregular warfare (read: terrorism), whilst China commits the vast majority of their crimes domestically. Your name/avatar/post combo makes me really really really want to ask you about the Khmer Rouge.
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Jul 18, 2015 05:01
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HorseLord posted:Gitmo - A Stalinist
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Jul 18, 2015 05:46
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Omelette du Fromage posted:Posting in a trollthread Trolling in a post-thread
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Jul 18, 2015 06:33
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In my opinion all bad things a country does apply retroactively to its ability to criticize others forever. Therefore nobody has the moral high ground ever and its pointless to think about it. Neener neener *invades Ukraine*
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Jul 18, 2015 17:10
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HorseLord posted:I love how your post is the unique blend of ultraleftism that always props up Bad Things. Can't be a Real Socialist(TM) if you don't parrot anticommunst memes, defend the american empire from criticism, and pin your hopes on an elderly white liberal who's recycling the Obama 08' hope and change strategy only moreso. Communism as you envision it is a dead and failed ideology. It is gone and never coming back. You will live the rest of your life in a world without Stalinism.
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Jul 18, 2015 18:52
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HorseLord posted:Developing countries poorer than developed countries shocker. In other news fire hot, water wet. Developing countries that seem to be in perpetual "development" for some reason. Also loving lol that you cited goddamn China, one of the most capitalist countries on the planet right now, as your ideal communist utopia.
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Jul 18, 2015 19:40
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Mans posted:maybe bad things in the U.S. are worse than bad things in China because the U.S. is the leading power of liberal democracy and western ideals and as such the bad things they do are taken in higher regard than some state-capitalism,special zone billion people mess on the other side of the world. Why compare it to China at all then and not another liberal democracy so we can get a good old fashioned "which side of the Atlantic is better" circlejerk? Fojar38 fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Jul 18, 2015 |
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Jul 18, 2015 20:36
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Mandy Thompson posted:America of course, but I would hold a country that labels itself as a paragon of human rights to a very high standard which we are increasingly lowering in the name of counter terrorism and a security state. It is hypocrisy of the highest order, yes the degrees are different but the motivation is the same, the intelligence community just hasn't moved the overton window far enough to get away with it. Moreover, America is absilutely comparable when it comes to oppressing people outside of America, see CIA black sites and torture, which we only know about a fraction of. America's love of freedom is increasingly an illusion, a propaganda tool. The US is held to a higher standard, which is why people make more forum threads making GBS threads on the US than they do on China despite the latter being far worse. Nigh constant self-reflection and perpetual self-criticism is one of America's stealth strengths.
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Jul 19, 2015 01:51
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HorseLord posted:In america, Individual citizens grasping no power to change what they criticize are left alone, but this does not mean America as a state has effective self criticism or self reflection. Just that it's useless and might as well not exist. Incidents where people critical of the system began to gain power are always ended with three letter agency subversion and assassination. Tell me about when someone who was critical of the system began to gain power in the US and was assassinated by the CIA.
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Jul 19, 2015 02:31
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HorseLord posted:FBI, but, Martin Luther King jr. Okay so sending threatening letters = assassination? Unless you believe that James Earl Ray was a government agent/Loyd Jowers' testimony is reliable. I mean yeah, sending those letters was dispicable and a definite low point in the history of the US government but comparing it to the assassination of political rivals you saw in places like the USSR and PRC is laughable.
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Jul 19, 2015 02:50
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klen dool posted:I would love if this could happen. Drum circles are cool, and people being nice to each other is good for everyone. I am sick to death of hearing on the news about some autonomous body like a nation or other organised group causing the displacement, internment, or death of civilians. Who is going to till the fields to feed us if we are all sitting in a drum circle?
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Jul 19, 2015 02:55
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HorseLord posted:If it's good enough for your yankee court it's good enough for you. And yeah, there's plenty more on the USA assassination pile, you're quite fond of some very interesting methods of "diplomatic relations". A) I'm not American B) Pretty sure James Earl Ray was convicted.
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Jul 19, 2015 03:32
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I can't tell who's fakeposting and who isn't now.
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Jul 19, 2015 19:53
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Who is being more sincere in their defense of authoritarian China: the British Stalinist or the guy with the anime avatar going on about the inherent superiority of Asian culture
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Jul 19, 2015 21:11
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Tiler Kiwi posted:hobbes was a dork Much like Marx 
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Jul 20, 2015 19:59
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So how far back are we allowed to take the "You did X in the past so you can't criticize us for doing X now" thing? IMO everything Italy says should be disregarded after what happened at Carthage.
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Jul 21, 2015 04:00
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HorseLord posted:Who's defending North Korea as an example of Communism? They follow the Juche ideology. Oh my god.
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Jul 21, 2015 04:07
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HorseLord posted:It's literally true. You might as well critique the Obama administration as if it was a monarchy for all the good it'd do. You are the first person I have ever seen that treated Juche as if it were an actual thing.
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Jul 21, 2015 04:50
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HorseLord posted:I don't think you've met many North Koreans, then. Oh, what did all the North Koreans you've met say?
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Jul 21, 2015 05:03
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quote:Quite a lot, they were entirely candid about no longer seeing the communist stage of development as attainable for their country without a dramatic shift in world politics equal to at least a reversal of the fall of the soviet bloc, You'll forgive me if I'm skeptical about your reports that the North Koreans pine for the return of the Soviet bloc more than anything else and not, say, South Korean standards of living.
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HorseLord posted:without a dramatic shift in world politics equal to at least a reversal of the fall of the soviet bloc, That's what you said. You said that what North Koreans apparently told you they want is a return to communism brought on by the re-establishment of some sort of communist bloc. I'm saying you're full of poo poo.
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HorseLord posted:That is the entire meaning of what you quoted. Do you often need incredibly clear things explaining to you? Perhaps you should hire a helper. Maybe for people like you, lowtax can make a special "simple english somethingawful". Or perhaps a browser plugin that reads all the words, extra slow, so you don't miss any? layin down some sick burns here quote:In it, I say how the North Koreans I have spoken to have given up on communism, because they see it as no longer possible for the DPRK. They think that something amazingly huge and very unlikely would have to happen to change that. The example of such a thing would be if the Soviet Bloc somehow magically returned. Lol at the notion that the majority of North Koreans are ideologically motivated enough to want "communism" specifically and not "to stop starving to death." I'd really like to know more about this North Korean you spoke to. Was this in England or did you go to South Korea? When was it? Where were they educated? Were you actually talking about Marxist theory or were they just using "communism" as shorthand for the above "not starving to death" ideology?
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HorseLord posted:Why would I go to South Korea to talk to North Koreans? That's like going to Wales to talk to Americans. Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh quote:London, Last year, didn't ask, the former, and people like you have been going "lol North Koreans all starve to death 24/7" for so long that if it was true they would have all finished doing it by now. "Ehe, actually, all North Koreans can't technically be starving to death because then there would be no North Koreans. Checkmate, capitalist pig.  "
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Jul 21, 2015 06:07
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HorseLord posted:Hint: If I was going to travel outside of my country to meet North Koreans, I would go to North Korea. You can do that. I wish you'd go to North Korea.
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Jul 21, 2015 06:17
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Peel posted:North Korea isn't communist, though. I know they aren't communist, what I was lolling at was the notion that North Koreans right now care about the purity of their ideological system in any way shape or form and the insinuation that a North Korean told a Stalinist that the best way to save North Korea is to bring back the Soviet bloc.
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Jul 21, 2015 18:34
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computer parts posted:There's lots of North Koreans in the Chinese border towns so I imagine they'd give you a different (even if it's not unbiased) perspective. Oh yeah, I'm also lolling at "why would I go to South Korea to talk to North Koreans instead of just going to North Korea?"
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Jul 21, 2015 19:19
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HorseLord posted:Are you struggling to see the connection between North Koreans and North Korea? So are you like, picturing yourself walking around Pyongyang with a notebook asking people what their opinions on their governance are?
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TheImmigrant posted:Foreign visitors to DPRK are not permitted to speak to random North Koreans. Any North Koreans a foreigner converses with are either elites with foreign-travel privileges, or refugees (e.g. hiding in Dandong or resettled in Seoul) who fled. Yeah I know that, I'm wondering if HorseLord knows that.
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Jul 21, 2015 19:50
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IMO the US should have carte blanche to drone strike bad posters, like me and Horselord.
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Jul 21, 2015 23:26
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HorseLord posted:Betting on "we have a new drug that looks promising for some things" and not "Kim Jong Un personally blessed us with the cure to all disease". So I thought to myself "surely he isn't going to fall on his sword for North loving Korea. Not even he is that dense" yet here you are.
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nopantsjack posted:Any nation that dominates the rest of the world in terms of its military and also actively uses it is basically by nature the most violent if you measure that in terms of outcomes. Whoa dude I dunno if this thread can handle all the truth bombs you're dropping on us ignoramuses.
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Jul 23, 2015 06:44
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fspades posted:Can anybody actually defend US hegemony as a good thing that should be perpetuated with force and terror if necessary? I honestly think that's a more rational position to take here. Why do we need US hegemony? Liberal democracy is better than any other system that currently vies for influence The minute it goes away a shitload of wars will start Europe and East Asia will end up the bitches of their respective autocratic nuclear states Various aspects of UN law no longer have de-facto US enforcement so you might as well just disband the entire institution for how much of a farce it'll become The sheer fact of geography more or less ensures US preponderance in both major oceans It makes idiots on internet forums cry This is all just off the top of my head
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Jul 23, 2015 21:31
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HorseLord posted:I wouldn't be "Oppressed" in China because I like the Communist Party Of China. So the question really is gibberish. Agreed, you'd just be the oppressor instead, as all internet communists typically envision themselves.
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Jul 24, 2015 02:09
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crabcakes66 posted:I think the only way to decide which system is better is bodycount since WW2. The correct answer is "the development of agriculture"
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Jul 24, 2015 03:32
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Every time Horselord posts global communism is delayed by a generation.
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HorseLord posted:rural class struggle disrupted food production communists starved people to death
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