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PupsOfWar posted:If Stoker were driven by loneliness he would just write tons of fanfiction like Pretty sure we have Anne Rice for that.
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Speaking of which literary branch of vampirism is supposedly the most authentic according to historical records?
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SedanChair posted:I've integrated anthropology and political science, to transcend common bias This is interesting. Are you asserting that Prince Charles is Dracula, or that he is simply some other vampire? If that latter, have you considered the theories of David Icke regarding the alleged blood-feasting tendencies of members of the royal family?
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Jul 27, 2015 03:34
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Gravel Gravy posted:Speaking of which literary branch of vampirism is supposedly the most authentic according to historical records? I'd suggest oral history and folklore. Later cultural and more self-consciously literary references are suspect for many reasons, not the least of which is that they may have been distorted to serve class interests; I think others in this thread have mentioned the intersection of class and Dracula. Nonetheless I wouldn't discard any mention of him given the paucity of hard evidence. Truth may be lurking anywhere, even in the most bizarre and nonsensical of arguments, after all.
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Jul 27, 2015 03:41
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Sharkie posted:I'd suggest oral history and folklore. Later cultural and more self-consciously literary references are suspect for many reasons, not the least of which is that they may have been distorted to serve class interests; I think others in this thread have mentioned the intersection of class and Dracula. Nonetheless I wouldn't discard any mention of him given the paucity of hard evidence. Truth may be lurking anywhere, even in the most bizarre and nonsensical of arguments, after all. Wouldn't choosing a more contemporary work open the doors for more discussion though? It would be rudimentary but by making inaccessible t more you can spread the message more effectively. Like the birds and the bees talks you had as a kid. "Babies come from storks" to "mommy and daddy wanted a baby" to the actual birds bees talk. You open up the doorway with the idea that you can give a more thorough and proper education once they are able to cope with the truth. Much like Scientology teachings.
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Here's what I've discovered after years of study: not all draculas are jews, but all jews are draculas. So yes, Dracula Israel (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jul 27, 2015 03:48
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Gravel Gravy posted:Wouldn't choosing a more contemporary work open the doors for more discussion though? It would be rudimentary but by making inaccessible t more you can spread the message more effectively. Ah, the "meat before milk" idea, right? There's some merit to that, I guess. Ease people into the idea of Dracula being a real being who exists just like you or I by way of references to Hellsing and Lestat before dropping the hard truths about Dracula and his possible connections to the British Royal Family. That being said though, eventually you'll have to get around to examining the earlier, more basic texts. Still, Hellsing and Vampire Hunter D may have useful things to tell us about vampires. It wouldn't be right to dismiss them out of hand.
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Jul 27, 2015 03:53
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Sharkie posted:Ah, the "meat before milk" idea, right? There's some merit to that, I guess. Ease people into the idea of Dracula being a real being who exists just like you or I by way of references to Hellsing and Lestat before dropping the hard truths about Dracula and his possible connections to the British Royal Family. Still there is a limit right? I mean Twilight has about to do with authentic vampire history as Cork Romano does with Hoover's FBI.
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Gravel Gravy posted:Still there is a limit right? I mean Twilight has about to do with authentic vampire history as Cork Romano does with Hoover's FBI. Who am I to say? I'm not familiar with Twilight, but if someone else is and wants to argue its historical and scientific accuracy, you owe them a listen before dismissing them out of hand.
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You are right and just as always. I should've done some research before I got s dismissive. Here is some research I found with regards to twilights vampirism validity.Becca age 13 posted:Specifically she was telling me that Edward wasn't really a vampire because "he has no fangs and doesn't need blood to survive, also the sun thing...". I replied saying that just because Stephenie made her vampires different doesn't mean that they're not vampires. In the end we agreed to disagree.
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PupsOfWar posted:Which vampire is the most rude? Do day walkers count? If so Wesley Snipes.
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Gravel Gravy posted:http://www.fanpop.com/clubs/twilight-series/articles/6147/title/twilight-vampires-vs-definition-vampires quote:personally, i still view them as vampires. i really don't see what the definition of vampires has to do with actually being a vampire. i just don't understand why there's so much close-mindedness about this topic. it's always like the first thing twilight haters bring up. to me it's not a very strong argument against stephenie or her series. quote:Hun, saying that the definition doesn't mean something is something, makes no sense. You can call an orange an apple, but it isn't, it's just another fruit. From everything I can gather about these "vampires" they're actually fairies/pixies lying their butts off. They fit that definition a lot better. Especially the sparkly bit. So if you can't understand that something has to be something in order to be it and that a label is in reference to that specific thing, then you're not a human, you're a mule and a stubborn one at that. I can see I have a lot of research to do. I'm just interested in the existence of Dracula, not Twilight, but it seems like it would be foolish to laugh at these arguments and not engage them critically.
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Jul 27, 2015 04:15
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Sharkie posted:I can see I have a lot of research to do. I'm just interested in the existence of Dracula, not Twilight, but it seems like it would be foolish to laugh at these arguments and not engage them critically. At the very least we need to teach the controversy.
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Jul 27, 2015 04:19
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So is this thread suppose to be a parody of "prove god is real" or is this serious I honestly can't tell
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Jul 27, 2015 04:25
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Gravel Gravy posted:At the very least we need to teach the controversy. you laugh now but hundreds of years in the future men will kill each other over the theological differences between drauclism and twilightestantism
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Jul 27, 2015 04:26
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Gravel Gravy posted:Do day walkers count? If so Wesley Snipes. blade has a certain gallantry remember when he cradled that one sexy vampire-nazi defector in his arms as she dissolved amid the sunlight
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Jul 27, 2015 04:34
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Sharkie posted:This is interesting. Are you asserting that Prince Charles is Dracula, or that he is simply some other vampire? If that latter, have you considered the theories of David Icke regarding the alleged blood-feasting tendencies of members of the royal family? Let's not get caught up in an argument over whether this or that prince is literally Dracula.
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Sharkie posted:This is interesting. Are you asserting that Prince Charles is Dracula, or that he is simply some other vampire? If that latter, have you considered the theories of David Icke regarding the alleged blood-feasting tendencies of members of the royal family? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjXBLxRFi3M
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Jul 27, 2015 04:42
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PupsOfWar posted:Which vampire is the most rude? the khajiit vampire that always tells you to gently caress off in oblivion
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Typo posted:So is this thread suppose to be a parody of "prove god is real" or is this serious This thread is for debating and discussing the existence of Dracula. And no, it's not a parody of the "prove god is real" thread.
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Jul 27, 2015 04:53
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Il Federale posted:the khajiit vampire that always tells you to gently caress off in oblivion It was the Breton who was the vampire, not the Khajiit.
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Technogeek posted:It was the Breton who was the vampire, not the Khajiit. yeah i got confused and thought the entire dark brotherhood was vampires for some reason nvm also: mehrunes dagon is actually good
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I should rewatch John Carpenters: Vampires because that movie so owns bones.
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Jul 27, 2015 05:20
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Bip Roberts posted:I should rewatch John Carpenters: Vampires because that movie so owns bones. Does it speak to the existence of Dracula?
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Jul 27, 2015 05:21
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Sharkie posted:Does it speak to the existence of Dracula? imho its not about whether dracula does exist so much as whether dracula should exist "Does the World Need a Dracula?"
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Jul 27, 2015 05:24
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:Maybe this is slightly off topic, but if we assume Dracula is real, do you think he's sexy? Dracula is real. He lives in every member of the Borgeois.
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site posted:Oh come on, the wolf man isn't real. We have full moons every month there's no way we wouldn't have encountered one by now! That's an interesting story. The icon of an aristocratic parasite, a monster capable of blending in with society, against a creature unable to interact with it at all, despite having no wish but to do so, while possessed of powerful intellect and great strength.
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Jul 27, 2015 05:40
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Tiberius Thyben posted:Dracula is real. He lives in every member of the Borgeois. Absolutely. But in what sense is this "real?" Real as a concept, or real as a (usually) corporeal being? Marx is ambiguous: from http://gretl.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/OPE/archive/0604/att-0138/01-PoliticalEconOfTheDead.pdf: quote:If one extends such a textual analysis to other major and minor works by Marx, it is clear that the vampire motif, if not the vampire himself, runs like a red thread through his work. In The Class Struggles in France he compares the National Assembly to ‘a vampire living off the blood of the June insurgents’. I would answer "Because Dracula, and vampires, are real, and Marx was trying to warn us." It's perhaps unfortunate he had to give himself room to allow his warnings to be construed as metaphor. Possibly because of a capitalist/vampiric conspiracy, though I'm not certain.
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Dracula is what my friend called his penis because he enjoyed period sex, so vampires must be real.
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nutranurse posted:Dracula is what my friend called his penis because he enjoyed period sex, so vampires must be real. You never had any friends. Vampires debunked, (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Sharkie posted:Absolutely. But in what sense is this "real?" Real as a concept, or real as a (usually) corporeal being? Marx is ambiguous: Marx seemed to have knowledge not only of vampires, but of brain-sucking vampires.
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SedanChair posted:Marx seemed to have knowledge not only of vampires, but of brain-sucking vampires. http://www.vampires.com/brahmaparusha-brain-eating-vampire-of-india/ quote:The brahmaparusha is a particularly horrifying vampire of India. This vampire is a malevolent spirit who takes delight in eating humans. They are extremely vicious and consumed with bloodlust, and a hunger for brains. Honestly, though, I don't think it's possible to have a true understanding of Marxism unless you believe in the physical reality of undead vampires, given their importance in Marx's work. However, we're getting a little far afield here, and I'd like to focus specifically on Dracula. Marx is relevant though because we can accept he's provided useful tools for understanding the world around us, and the belief in vampires - which lends credence to the existence of Dracula - seems to be one of them.
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I know medical technology has advanced a lot in the past 50 years but what are the current rates of babies born as draculas?
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I may have missed this but given that you want to focus on Dracula are you considering that Dracula may have existed but no longer does? Nearly every piece of literature on the subject indicates that Dracula is currently dead; if anything, a living Dracula is not supported in any serious record.
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Zachack posted:I may have missed this but given that you want to focus on Dracula are you considering that Dracula may have existed but no longer does? Nearly every piece of literature on the subject indicates that Dracula is currently dead; if anything, a living Dracula is not supported in any serious record. Dracula certainly did exist at one point; I don't think that's debated. However, if you have evidence that narratives which present a vampiric Dracula as currently existing in the present day are flawed, please discuss how they're flawed instead of just dismissing them.
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Gravel Gravy posted:Pretty sure we have Anne Rice for that. Anne Rice is no where near the worst of the lot. I am sad that I know this.
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Jul 27, 2015 07:39
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Anita Blake beats everybody for worst vampire/were leopard hybrid.
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You folks have obviously never known the joy of internet RP Vampire: The Masquerade players if you think that's as bad as it gets.
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Sharkie posted:Dracula certainly did exist at one point; I don't think that's debated. However, if you have evidence that narratives which present a vampiric Dracula as currently existing in the present day are flawed, please discuss how they're flawed instead of just dismissing them. Actually Dracula's existence is highly debated and evidence supporting his existence is poor at best, but within that limited "can't melt steel beams" evidence the "Dracula still lives" branch contains errors of the sort like "9/11 was caused by holograph lasers". You can research and defend that stance if you'd like but I do warn you that SA bans racists and perma's pedophiles.
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