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Venom Snake posted:A person who is for a thing but understands it's limits or a person who is against a thing but understands when it might be nessecary is a much better way of going about thinking of people rather than using lazy short word labels. It's dumbing down of political discourse and reducing everything to black and white helps nobody. So the next time Germany or Brazil finds someone spying on them for us, you'd be cool if they just killed that person?
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OwlFancier posted:Pro Life/Pro Choice. If you believe the death penalty should be used under some circumstances, you are not opposed to the use of the death penalty.
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Jul 31, 2015 22:45
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OwlFancier posted:I can be opposed to its use but more opposed to the alternative. What is the alternative?
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Jul 31, 2015 22:46
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OwlFancier posted:No, I think absolutism is silly. The idea that everyone can be reformed is manifestly untrue. We lack the capacity to reform everyone and in some cases the cost of doing so may outweigh the benefit. In the majority of cases reform is preferable and would arguably be pursued by the same methods that crime prevention would be: The improvement of conditions for those driven to crime by necessity, perceived or actual. Removing the incitement to crime would greatly reduce the prevalence of many crimes, and would be worth doing for the general sake of improving the lot of as many people as possible. How do you propose we ascertain with 100% certainty that a) a person cannot be redeemed at any point in the rest of their life and b) that new evidence will not appear to exonerate a person sentenced to death? If you find out, please contact the Governors of several US states.
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Jul 31, 2015 22:56
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Venom Snake posted:Traitor has an extremely specific definition in the constitution. The United States has prosecuted spies but Pollard was prosecuted as a traitor. Why does this absolutely merit the death penalty? Why is treason worse than murder, or jaywalking, or double parking? Why do you keep bolding it?
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Jul 31, 2015 23:55
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Venom Snake posted:The worst serial killer can kill 60+ people. The worst traitor can kill millions. The reason why it's so bad is because it represents the selling out of not just the people directly around you but your entire society. He didn't kill millions though. Jack of Hearts posted:Indeed, all value judgments are basically arbitrary, so why bother making them? The idea that murder is worse than jaywalking is wholly subjective. We ought to treat all crimes as misdemeanors. How about "we ought to prevent the State from arbitrarily killing people, if we can."
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Aug 1, 2015 00:00
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Venom Snake posted:The Founding Fathers actually shared your view. To accuse someone of being a traitor is really really hard to do. My god you're right, if he had been allowed to continue unmolested they might've done a Holodomor on us.
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