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I wonder what employment Pollard found and if it'll be at a company with secrets to sell to the highest bidder.
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I'm really surprised, I thought most D&Ders were against the death penalty.
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Jul 30, 2015 17:42
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OwlFancier posted:I'm against the death penalty and prison for a great many crimes but that is because they are demonstrably unhelpful in dealing with them, and serve only to mask the social causes of the crimes and increase the amount of suffering those social problems cause, not only to the victims but also the perpetrators. You do you realize that it's entirely possible he doesn't show remorse because the prison system in the US isn't really built around getting people to feel remorse, right? And if you just kill them there'd be no way to know if they would ever feel sorry for what they did, not to mention there's no taking it back if it turns out they were innocent (not saying there's a chance of Pollard being innocent, but in general).
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Jul 30, 2015 18:00
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OwlFancier posted:And in general that is part of why I oppose the death penalty. But to my knowledge his case has been proven to an exceptional degree of surety. How do you define what's an 'exceptional degree of surety' (again, in general, not in Pollard's case)? How are you so sure a more rehabilitative system wouldn't have gotten Pollard to feel sorry? While I can accept keeping a person jailed until he shows that he's remorseful (which could be forever if he never rehabilitates depending on the severity of the crime), just killing them opens the gate to innocents getting wrongfully executed. And IIRC executing someone costs more than life in prison.
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Jul 30, 2015 18:20
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I'm sure people are ecstatic that if they're caught spying they'll only get 30 years + parole. I know I'm moving to the US to commit treason over there right now.
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Jul 31, 2015 18:14
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tsa posted:This is called a line drawing fallacy, there are most certainly cases where the actions are not in question at all (Colorado theater shooting). Financial cost is a terrible way to go about the argument in general, I'm not sure why it's such a popular one. How is this a fallacy? How do you define it in such a way so it won't be abused?
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Jul 31, 2015 19:23
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Typo posted:treason is defined as aiding and giving comfort to the enemies of the United States, I don't think the US government sees Israel as an enemy. He tried to sell the information to a bunch of places before contacting Israel.
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Aug 1, 2015 09:46
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Who said treason isn't a major crime? I just don't believe the death penalty is ever appropriate. Depending on the seriousness of the specific act of treason I'd be fine with life in prison (since there isn't a rehabilitative prison system).
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Aug 1, 2015 16:43
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drilldo squirt posted:I don't know, if I'm gonna be killed for committing treason I'm not gonna want to do it as much. But you will commit treason since you'll "only" end up in prison for 30 years? That's a bit more than I've been alive.
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Aug 3, 2015 16:13
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CSPAN Caller posted:That's just one end of the reward/punishment spectrum and it ignores the perceived likelihood of that consequence happening. You could get away with selling secrets and live like a king in Israel. You could get caught, get a pretty light sentence, and move to Israel to live off a generous stipend. Worst case, you could get caught, spend decades in jail like Pollard, while your family prospers in Israel and you're treated by the Israeli right as a hero. Before I write a reply, are you for the death penalty or against it?
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Aug 3, 2015 16:44
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CSPAN Caller posted:I think life in prison without parole should be the maximum punishment for any crime. Okay, then we don't really disagree. I also believe Pollard should have a very severe punishment for his very severe crime, but not death. Whether it's life in prison or 30 years in prison then never being able to go to Israel to live like a king is for someone better than me at judging sentences to decide. Of course if the US just lets Pollard go to Israel it'll be pretty lame, though I'd be interested to see how long it'll take people to forget Pollard existed once he comes here. I remember there was a person imprisoned in Egypt on charges of spying for Israel, and it took 8 years to bring him back, and at first he appeared on TV all the time but now I don't hear about him at all. But now that I read a bit about him (his name is Azzam Azzam) this can easily be explained with the fact that he's a Druze.
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Aug 3, 2015 16:56
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drilldo squirt posted:Well I'd definitely try to avoid it but at least I wont be dead if I get caught. Cool, too bad this says nothing because you could say that about any crime. 'gee, if jaywalking carried a death sentence I'd sure do it less often!'
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Aug 3, 2015 19:09
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drilldo squirt posted:People will do things less if their is a chance that they will be murdered if they are caught, jaywalking is an example of this. At least you admit it would be murder.
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Aug 4, 2015 06:28
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drilldo squirt posted:If you agree that execution is more effective than 30 years in prison in keeping people from committing treason, what are you arguing? That execution is wrong. e: also I'm not entirely sure it would deter better than a 30 year sentence, as most people who commit treason don't think they'll be caught
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He's a goddamn hero is what he is. :911butIsraelw/cryingBibi:
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