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Of all the people in US prisons he's one of the few who should actually be there.
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botany posted:Why? He's clearly not a danger to society, and he can't exactly go back to spying now that everybody knows who he is. Outside of retributive justice, there is no coherent reason that I can see for why he should be locked up. What everyone else said - he literally sold classified documents for his own profit. That's on a whole other level than dealing drugs or other crimes. This is an instance where deterrence is necessary because otherwise you're making treason very low-risk/high-reward relative to other crimes.
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Jul 29, 2015 18:51
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CommieGIR posted:And it wasn't only Israel, the guy was trying to setup weapons deals with Iran, South Africa, Pakistan, etc. Wouldn't that have been apartheid era SA too? Man, gently caress that guy.
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Jul 29, 2015 18:55
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If there was an Israeli citizen imprisoned for selling their information to the US would we have the same reaction as they did to Pollard? I find it hard to imagine.
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Aug 1, 2015 00:17
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TheImmigrant posted:How's it look? Sellouts who betray their home country don't make lasting heroes anywhere. You're really underestimating how much the Israeli right-wing likes this guy.
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Aug 1, 2015 17:49
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And from a different article:quote:Jonathan Pollard’s incarceration is close to a national obsession in Israel, where he has gone from being a source of embarrassment to a cause célèbre. Whether or not the majority of Israelis feel it's an embarrassment or not doesn't matter. It's the hard-line right-wing that's holding him up as a hero and they have a fairly tight grip on political power there right now.
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Aug 1, 2015 18:12
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So it's not treason because he was just indifferent to the well-being of the US?
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Aug 3, 2015 16:24
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TheImmigrant posted:It's not treason because words have definitions, and Pollard's actions do not match the definition of "treason." Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States. There's nothing in there about whether the intent behind giving aid and comfort is anti-US or just selfish.
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TheImmigrant posted:I don't know how to make this simpler for you. Interpretive finger paints, perhaps? I didn't realize the legal definition of "adhere" was specifically "has openly declared allegiance to", I thought it just meant "cooperates with" (I wouldn't be a good lawyer!).
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