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Israel spying is henioues because it's a state run by literal fascists that get elected to office on the platform of keeping the untermensch suppressed. Israel has been loving the U.S. over constantly for years and I fail to see how letting Pollard go does anything but continue the trend of ignoring Israel loving us over. Who cares if they get upset about the Iranian deal? What are they going to do? Invade the U.S.? Contray to what people might think there is extremely little love for Israel in the executive branch and even the Jewish community in American thinks Nutty Yahoo is a piece of poo poo.
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Typo posted:So you are pro-death penalty. Life is more nuanced than binary positions. The idea you have to be labeled as pro or against when it comes to everything is toxic as hell.
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Jul 31, 2015 22:18
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Typo posted:But that's what being pro/anti-death penalty and all its implication means though. A person who is for a thing but understands it's limits or a person who is against a thing but understands when it might be nessecary is a much better way of going about thinking of people rather than using lazy short word labels. It's dumbing down of political discourse and reducing everything to black and white helps nobody. The death penalty is bad, but is can be a necessary evil when it comes to removing awful extremely dangerous people like Pollard. Pollard did what he did 100% for money and he didn't give a single poo poo what happened to anyone who might get hurt by it.
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Jul 31, 2015 22:26
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Badger of Basra posted:So the next time Germany or Brazil finds someone spying on them for us, you'd be cool if they just killed that person? If that person committed treason to do it then yes unless they were exposing some kind of abuse (in the case of people like manning).
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Jul 31, 2015 22:52
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Pollard wasn't a spy by the way he was a traitor. The dude didn't set out with the goal of spying he just decided to betray his country and sell information to the highest bidder.
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Jul 31, 2015 23:04
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Last Buffalo posted:What's the difference? He was doing the job of a spy (gathering intelligence) but was a freelancer. He was also a traitor. Apples and oranges, brah. Traitor has an extremely specific definition in the constitution. The United States has prosecuted spies but Pollard was prosecuted as a traitor.
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Jul 31, 2015 23:11
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Badger of Basra posted:Why does this absolutely merit the death penalty? Why is treason worse than murder, or jaywalking, or double parking? Why do you keep bolding it? The worst serial killer can kill 60+ people. The worst traitor can kill millions. The reason why it's so bad is because it represents the selling out of not just the people directly around you but your entire society.
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Jul 31, 2015 23:59
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Badger of Basra posted:He didn't kill millions though. The Founding Fathers actually shared your view. To accuse someone of being a traitor is really really hard to do. EDIT: And the dude came preeetty close considering a decent amount of the poo poo he shared ended up in the Soviet Union, if he hadn't been caught when he did... quote:So when is your next Pollard reenactment? 
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