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Tujague
May 8, 2007

by LadyAmbien
What's the episode of Voyager I should watch to see Tuvok doing cool poo poo

And not the part where he strangles Neelix, I saw that

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Tujague
May 8, 2007

by LadyAmbien
I dunno, I never liked the whole "Vulcans are boiling kettles of emotion who have decided, as a culture, to unsuccessfully repress it and transparently bullshit themselves and everyone else" poo poo was weak. It was certainly very badly executed with Tits Girl in Enterprise. The whole notion made them less alien. I mean, humans are savage animals with a layer of civilization and logic on top, too, but you'll find us reflecting on it instead of running around pretending we can't see the poo like a whole race of naughty puppies and/or internet libertarians. Like, was it an open secret? Did they have a class at Starfleet Academy where they go "Vulcans are venal, ruthless, rage-prone runaway trains, but they're working on it, so just play along, OK?"

Spock's cool, simple, wise remoteness was awesome, especially when it was presented as Just How It Works and was a great counterpoint for when Kirk flew off the handle. Tits Girl, Nu-Spock and (to whatever extent) Tuvok being all "WE'RE LOGICAL WE DON'T FEEL poo poo NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE *record scratch* GRAAAAH FIGHT AND/OR gently caress ME" got reeeeeal dumb when used as a plot point multiple times. Weakend the whole species.

Tujague
May 8, 2007

by LadyAmbien
Spock flipped out like twice, tops, and one of them was normal biological function, and he spent the rest of the time legitimately being chill and zen. This is a very sharp contrast to NuSpock and Tits Girl.

Tujague
May 8, 2007

by LadyAmbien
Regarding this bad, dumb, badly handled narrative development, you guys sure seem to have the facts on your side based on careful attention to detail and a firm grasp of the literature

Tujague
May 8, 2007

by LadyAmbien
Okay I think we should agree to either stop spamming the star trek pedopartment pics or just dump them ten times on every page until the thread dies

I'm down with either

Tujague
May 8, 2007

by LadyAmbien
I tried to figure out what the best fantrek is in the last thread, and I think we agreed that it was either the porno or a 15 minute trailer video for something else

I really gotta start writing this stuff down

The porno is, ummmm, well,

Tujague
May 8, 2007

by LadyAmbien

shadow puppet of a posted:

I'd like to see a fanmade production of the Voyager crew attending a sumo basho upon their return home, that sport half the bridge crew followed passionately, remember? You could have Tuvok trying to buy handprints in the Vulcan live long and prosper gesture, Janeway, the eternal scientist, illicitly scanning her favorites with a tricorder to update her personal logs on their body fat composition. Chakotay missing the whole thing while out on his vision quest to buy a pinku bento box for his gohan (rice) and peyote (yakuza speed)

Ah yes, that was no mere throwaway vignette desperate to staple some personality onto a profoundly unpersonable crew, big fans of sumo wrestling the crew of Voyager all were.

yikes

Tujague
May 8, 2007

by LadyAmbien
Hmmm okay "Star Trek Captain Pike" is a thing, too

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The group — which calls itself Rigel 7 Productions — aims to first make a 45-minute feature called "Star Trek: Captain Pike," then produce the 90-minute movie "Star Trek: Encounter at Rigel."

So far Rigel 7 Productions' Kickstarter campaign has raised almost $24,000 of its $112,000 goal. The campaign will close on June 3.

Rigel 7 Productions says "Encounter at Rigel" wouldanswer three questions raised by "The Cage" pilot episode: What happened to Pike's first officer and science officer (Mr. Spock) on the first mission; if Pike ever went into battle; and what alien race he encountered.

Pike will be played by Todd Shawn Tei, the producer of the show. The cast also includes Robert Picardo, who played The Doctor on "Star Trek: Voyager."

Other headliners include Bruce Davison ("Star Trek: Voyager and Enterprise"), Dwight Schultz ("Star Trek: TNG"), Linda Park ("Star Trek: Enterprise") and Chase Masterson ("Star Trek: Deep Space 9").
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I'll have to watch Renegades at another time, but it looks like the usual poo poo that makes Mary Sue fanfic so awful: Swinging for the fences, hammering in so many linkages to canon that it makes the universe seem smaller, and botching the fundamentals. Of course Mascara Chick is a descendant of Khan Noonien Singh! Of course Tuvok is in charge of Section 31 now! Jesus christ.

I guess I'll try ANAXANXAR or whatever the poo poo. That one looked better and less whizzy and crazy. You know, if these people had absorbed a heavy dose of cynicism and hateful, post-nerd awareness of the subject matter, they would make better stuff. Which is why I think goons may be the perfect people to write a fantrek script. Remember the TNG episode where they rescued a lady from some space antenna relay station, and Geordi formed a deep relationship with her video diaries, and her dog turned out to be The Thing? We could write a good script about people who have poo poo jobs like that and throw on some DS9-style critique of the Federation and some "Why is O'Brien the only enlisted man in the Federation?" crap and it would be better than these silly, overwrought fanmades. I'm sure Robert Picardo would jump onboard.

Also, this: "For reference, the film Star Trek Into Darkness had an estimated budget of $190 million" ha ha really? 200 million clams? drat!

Tujague
May 8, 2007

by LadyAmbien
Star Trek: These Guys: Episode 1: Scene opens in a big cargo bay on the Enterprise. A loud thudding noise is heard from outside the frame.

Worf (voice): BLEARRRRGG!
Riker (voice): WORF!!!
Frank: Oh, poo poo, that barrel just fell on the loving Klingon!
Nick: Is he OK?
Gwarb'au'zor'phron: Uhhh, okay, put that poo poo down and let's get out of sight.
Nick: poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo
Frank: We totally stacked those barrels right, didn't we? I don't even think we stacked those barrels. Did we? That's not on us.
Gwarb'au'zor'phron: Keep walking. Get around the back of the shuttle.

Tujague
May 8, 2007

by LadyAmbien
There was a TNG ep about junior officers that was pretty good. It was only an hour long, so they only covered kissing Riker's rear end and attending Worf's kung-fu school, but it would be fun to see a whole season of them gradually deciding that the senior staff was retarded, helplessly sitting in the dark while space slugs try to eat the ship for the 100th time, getting booted off the holodeck by Data in a Sherlock Holmes outfit and applying for other jobs after learning that the Enterprise was a lovely billet that wasn't worth the prestige

You could twerk footage of the crewmembers rolling their eyes and making covert jerk-off hand gestures into old TNG episodes like the DS9 guys did for Trouble with Tribbles

Tujague
May 8, 2007

by LadyAmbien
The Dyson Sphere civilization was gone because they routed the power of their captured star through all their consoles and everyone's faces got blown the gently caress off

Tujague
May 8, 2007

by LadyAmbien


Tujague
May 8, 2007

by LadyAmbien
I don't know if we covered this, but the guy who plays Damar has a job making videos for the Paso Robles wine industry and they are pretty awesome

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVaNxB5TN2M

Tujague
May 8, 2007

by LadyAmbien

Gutcruncher posted:

Its funny how a major plot point in DS9 is the fact that omnipotent beings live right outside the station but it never really just pointlessly falls back on them as a story crutch. It would be so drat easy to just go "uhhh... then the gods do stuff"


This happened like five times

Tujague
May 8, 2007

by LadyAmbien
Congratulations on your promotion, Mr. O'Brien! It's a shame you had to leave my ship in order for a chance at advancement, but you know how the best people in starfleet are always fighting for a spot on the Enterprise.

Anyway... Hey, isn't that your favorite mop over there? Yep, whenever some sticky poo poo got on the floor, you were always there with old Mop Number Three, ready to clean it up in the blink of an eye. Lot of good times you had with that mop. Hey, why don't you let me scrub the floor in front of you just once before you go? Ha, ha! I bet you never thought you'd see me pushing around Mop Number Three! Do you hold it like this? Or like this?

No? Okay, well... I'm certainly sad that you're leaving. I don't know how we'll find someone who can shove that old deck swab around as good as you. Bon voyage!

Tujague
May 8, 2007

by LadyAmbien
Well, if literally having a race of timeless remote godlike uninterested mystery beings who live in a space tube and had already sworn up and down that they thought 3D life was dumb poo poo they didn't care about suddenly vanishing a gigantic war-ending enemy fleet for zero particular compelling reason isn't a deus ex machina, then I guess you win this argument, champ

Congratulations



edit This is a star trek thread, so in case you have massive autism, this post is 100% sarcasm and I am worried about getting into one of these arguments where the dictionary and I have to argue with some retard about what the dictionary and I say certain words mean

Tujague fucked around with this message at 02:09 on Sep 11, 2015

Tujague
May 8, 2007

by LadyAmbien
what kind of cookies do you think Gul Dukat liked to eat????

Tujague
May 8, 2007

by LadyAmbien

JediTalentAgent posted:

Bajoreos?

"Yes! Yes! That's right, isn't it? I knew it! I've always known it! I should've eaten every last one of them! I should've turned their wrappers into a junkyard the likes of which the galaxy had never seen! I should have eaten them all!"

Ok I legit laughed at Bajoreos

Edit: Even funnier: Gul Dukat mispronouncing "Bajoreos" on purpose for 10 years



Edit 2: Klingon blood cookies

Trill Biscuits

Tujague fucked around with this message at 05:50 on Sep 14, 2015

Tujague
May 8, 2007

by LadyAmbien
I remember reading Wil Wheaton's breakdown of the episode where Picard yells "Shut up, Wesley!"

Like, they sent Wesley off to keep an eye on Data, and when he came back to report that Data was bug nuts, Picard just bitched him out.

Of course, Wil Wheaton didn't realize at the time that people were going to be yelling "Shut up, Wesley!" at him in public for the next fifteen years loool

Tujague
May 8, 2007

by LadyAmbien
Uh-oh, this poo poo with Kes is sounding crazier and crazier. Who is the current most hosed-up trek actor alum, and is it a done deal?

Tujague
May 8, 2007

by LadyAmbien
Okay, come on - if Shatner personally gacked her, he did a 100% pro hitman job of it according to all available sources. Drowning in your own swimming pool isn't all that unusual. I'm willing to agree that being married to William Shatner might drive you to slam pills and vodka nonstop, but that doesn't mean he pile-drived her into the shallow end hard enough to crack her vertebrae.

Jennifer Lien apparently opened the door on some cops butt-naked Anne Heche crazyballs screaming about having them shot. I'd say staging a perfect murder puts him ahead of the pack.

Tujague
May 8, 2007

by LadyAmbien

Kitchner posted:

RE: the shatner thing I've never really read anything about it before but holy poo poo, his wife drowns in a pool with suspicious bruises etc and he has her cremated the next day before the body can be properly examined?

"The autopsy report said she had bruises on her face and two cracked neck vertebrae consistent with banging her head on the pool bottom."
- from the LA Times http://articles.latimes.com/1999/oct/13/local/me-21923


So, uh, no

Tujague
May 8, 2007

by LadyAmbien
Well, then I say this beats Alexander Roshenko actor guy's habit of beating up his friends and relations, driving drunk and violating parole. Congratulations, Kes!



On another note, let's go shitpost the other star trek thread, wherever it is, and say that we're from the mirror universe

Tujague
May 8, 2007

by LadyAmbien
I dunno, getting booted off a show, losing your one shot at becoming a millionaire and being replaced by a blowjob fantasy in a tits suit who then proceeds to become one of two good characters could reasonably drive someone to drug use

Poor woman's life would have been better if she had remained Neelix's love interest. That's rough.

Tujague
May 8, 2007

by LadyAmbien

Kitchner posted:

One of my favourite things about Star Trek is every form of martial arts from everywhere in the galaxy teaches that double fist strike onto people's backs.

Yes, the double-fisted Donkey Kong. As long as your form is flawless and the plot is on your side, you can knock just about anyone the gently caress out: fully armed Klingon warriors, 350 pound space lizard captains, even Kira got it in the shoulder blade once and hit the deck like a clumsy kid's ice cream cone. Brutal.

Fistfighting in Trek was always pretty hilarious. Like, Worf vs Gowron was a cool brawl, but I remember when Bashir and O'Brien got double-crossed by aliens while helping them dispose of their bioweapons, and Bashir just beats the crap out of somebody out of nowhere. Maybe the alien race had air-filled bladders instead of bones. Same goes for everyone who got beat down in an alley by Picard. Did Wesley ever kick anyone's rear end? Or Geordi? Or Troi?

Tujague
May 8, 2007

by LadyAmbien
Because they would learn to detect it using their parsectical fwappadappa pizotronic radiation matrix and disarm the warhead from whatever else, goddamn

Tujague
May 8, 2007

by LadyAmbien
Okay let's get this thread moving or I'm going to start dropping those weird sexy cheesecake Voyager drawings from Deviant Art

Tujague
May 8, 2007

by LadyAmbien
My memory is dim, but I guess the Vorta are unwaveringly loyal to the Founders because the Founders engineered them that way, and the Vorta always go with the Jem Hadar because otherwise the Jem Hadar wouldn't have anyone to passive-aggressively distrust, disclose seditious feelings towards or spitefully resent, and the Vorta hang around the Jem Hadar because they need someone to generate stupid workplace drama with and argue with about whether or not to hand out the addictive extortion drugs before or after snack time.

I mean, the Vorta are cool, and the Jem Hadar are cool, but by the end of the series it sure seems like somebody kind of government-contractor half-assed the whole "let's breed perfect fanatical soldiers and administrators so we can play while they run the empire" thing. Maybe that was the point, I dunno.

Tujague
May 8, 2007

by LadyAmbien




god drat, imgur change your interface a few more times every week gently caress

Tujague fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Sep 21, 2015

Tujague
May 8, 2007

by LadyAmbien

Tujague
May 8, 2007

by LadyAmbien
I was going to try again with the whole "Virtuoso genetic engineers who create poo poo from the ground up shouldn't really need multiple semi-functional redundant control features" but I guess it's just not going to penetrate the goon skulls so now I'm going to post this stuff I drew, which would probably be funny again if I get stoned




Tujague
May 8, 2007

by LadyAmbien
are you cut-and-pasting poo poo from some sperg fansite or






v awesome

Tujague fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Sep 21, 2015

Tujague
May 8, 2007

by LadyAmbien


The General posted:

If I were to make a race of super soldiers, I would absolutely want a dozen failsafes built in, so they don't get any bright ideas and kill everybody and start a new society they can't really have, cause all they know is killing.



Well, then my impression would be that you are more inept at breeding perfect soldiers than illiterate Scottish bumpkins from the 1700s are at breeding sheepdogs, and I would be unable to suspend disbelief long enough to buy that you were a galactic-class genius with incredible future technology and untold millennia at your disposal to get the kinks out of the program

Holy poo poo is this really that hard to understand?

Tujague
May 8, 2007

by LadyAmbien

curious lump posted:

i dont watch star trek but this doesnt make any sense. also y r u so angry over nerd poo poo

sort of right that I get annoyed when people are dense but nobody is genuinely as stupid as you are trying to sound so congrats

Tujague
May 8, 2007

by LadyAmbien

Crashbee posted:

There was that one Jem Hadar who didn't need ketracel white, and another Weyoun who tried to defect. I guess if you're creating millions of these clones there's bound to be the occasional mutant who breaks through one layer of control, so you need multiple redundancies to keep them in line.

There were also jem hadar shooting without orders, talking poo poo to their wounded boss, talking poo poo about their wounded boss to the enemy, refusing direct orders to kill klingons, starting insubordinate arguments about who was born in the Gamma quadrant and who was born in the Alpha quadrant, and blah blah blah. I guess they should have built in more redundancies because of these drat mutants.

I mean, maybe it was the only interesting direction to take the characters after relentlessly framing them as perfect soldiers, but after season 6 started they started sounding more like these fat tough guy tard posters and it got tiresome.

Tujague
May 8, 2007

by LadyAmbien

Crashbee posted:

None of those cases involve the Jem Hadar rebelling against the Dominion though, they're still operating within spec as obedient soldier-slaves. If anything those stories are showing the practical limits of the genetic super soldier trope - the Jem Hadar have enough free will to operate autonomously for years on end but they're also clearly aware that their loyalty is conditioned rather than earned, even if they're unable to do anything about it. How much genuine loyalty would you be able to expect from someone who knows they're programmed to die for you?

How is refusing an order from the guy the dominion specifically sent to boss you around not rebelling against the dominion?
How is flat disobeying any order ever within spec as obedient? Are you using the Mirror Universe definition?
What does 'practical limits' mean to a fictional alien slave race from a sci-fi show?
How much loyalty do I expect from someone who knows they're programmed to be die for me? All of it. Especially if I did the programming. That's what 'programming' means.
Every time the Jem Hadar had a speaking role in a late DS9 ep, they did poo poo that wouldn't fly in the U.S. Coast Guard and we don't even genetically manipulate those guys OR get them hooked on crack cocaine.

Tujague
May 8, 2007

by LadyAmbien
NOTHING was enough, the Jem Hadar spent all of seasons 6 and 7 loving up, disobeying orders and creating a hostile work environment

All that wonking on and on about drugs and genetics got worse results than Russian conscripts in World War 1

The founders are bad at slave races



Vorta: Ok, kill Worf

Jem'Hadar: F.U.

Goon: The writers are saying that LIFE FINDS A WAY, MAN!



edit are we starting a pool on when that virtual reality star trek guy gets busted for you-know-what

Tujague fucked around with this message at 18:24 on Sep 22, 2015

Tujague
May 8, 2007

by LadyAmbien
That dude playing Damar really did a great job. He started as a one-line background character and worked it up into something awesome. With ten pounds of plastic glued to his face

Tujague fucked around with this message at 18:44 on Sep 22, 2015

Tujague
May 8, 2007

by LadyAmbien

BottledBodhisvata posted:


Obviously you can't craft the perfect obedient race without some risk of it falling out of your control.


I didn't read the rest

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Tujague
May 8, 2007

by LadyAmbien
wow

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