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Kitchner
Nov 9, 2012

IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER
Clapping Larry

shadow puppet of a posted:

That would still have ships spinning like tongo wheels. Its galactic plane or nothing. The orientation is established by the galaxy you are in.The spiral arms make it clear what should be the direction of travel as well as the correct x-axis to line up along.

Even then the Galaxy isn't perfectly flat, so if you've warped from one star system to another and you're travelling "up" or "down" from the Galaxy's point of view you're still going to end up on an angle rather than nose to nose

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Kitchner
Nov 9, 2012

IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER
Clapping Larry

mossyfisk posted:

It's only polite to orient your vessel along the orbital plane of the nearest star.

I bet they signed a treaty on it.

Kitchner
Nov 9, 2012

IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER
Clapping Larry

shadow puppet of a posted:

You dont tip the ship's nose up or down like some lovely jet ski. You tap on the docking thrusters a little when travelling cross-galaxy and that way your vessel stays dignified and sits upright for the entire journey.

This is a really funny image but there's loads of footage of ships tipping their nose when they go under and over things so sorry, but you're out of luck.

Kitchner
Nov 9, 2012

IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER
Clapping Larry
They definetly signed a treaty on that. It was probably the first thing they signed.

Kitchner
Nov 9, 2012

IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER
Clapping Larry
Mirror Dukat would obviously be a Bajoran who disagrees with the hard line Bajoran stance towards the Cardassians.

Kitchner
Nov 9, 2012

IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER
Clapping Larry
If I recall correctly Kai Winn was the head of the church and then she got elected First Minister as well, which pissed off the Federation and Kira as they felt it was too much power.

Which was true as she was too busy loving spoonheads

Kitchner
Nov 9, 2012

IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER
Clapping Larry

Mr. Pumroy posted:

whenever they develop drones they always attain sentience.

"Captain, the drones have gained sentience! "

" Again? gently caress! loving poo poo! I'm trying to design loving spoonhead killing deadly drones here not discover new life or new civilisations. drat it man I'm an arms dealer not a doctor! "

Kitchner
Nov 9, 2012

IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER
Clapping Larry
Society has evolved beyond conflicts of interest as well as being offended by people using racist slurs.

Kitchner
Nov 9, 2012

IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER
Clapping Larry
I always imagine it's like those 1950s American PSAs on surviving a nuclear attack. Where they told everyone to remain calm and hide under their desks and they will be fine. Not because they believed this, but because they realised by the time panic sets in they are probably all dead anyway.

"That sound Jimmy, is called the Red Alert siren, did you know that? "

" Sure thing mister! It means bad things are about to happen! "

"Woah there Jimmy! Don't get ahead of yourself! Did you know 99.9% of red alerts end in no casualties? I'm sure your captain had everything under control. Just in case though make sure you stop what you're doing, and hide beneath your desk."

"But what good will that do mister? "

" Well Jimmy, Klingon famously have sight almost entirely based on movement. If you hide beneath your desk, you will be invisible to them! "

Kitchner
Nov 9, 2012

IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER
Clapping Larry
Or maybe there's a scene like from the Star Wars prequels where a Klingon Warrior walks into a nursery and all the children stop performing advanced physics calculations and say "Hi mister, aren't you a Klingon?" and then he slaughters them all.

Kitchner
Nov 9, 2012

IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER
Clapping Larry

The General posted:

Well, unless there's a long pause where they just hangout on earth for a shitton of years before they get their finished product. The dude even says "It'll take me years to even understand this." or something like that.

Yeah it's pure luck he didn't gently caress up the timeline.

Kitchner
Nov 9, 2012

IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER
Clapping Larry

DarkMalfunction posted:

In the Typhon Pact novels Nanietta Bacco (fed president) is given the options of using Federation Security or Starfleet Intelligence to infiltrate the Breen - she chooses Starfleet saying that "the military is better equipped to pull this one off", so there

Those officially non-canon novels you mean?

Kitchner
Nov 9, 2012

IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER
Clapping Larry

DarkMalfunction posted:

Officially non-canon? Compared to what? Isn't everything non-canon after Enterprise other than the JJTrek movies? Paramount have even gone on record saying that other than the two Jeri Taylor novels, all books and whatever are non-canon. Bearing in mind most, if not all licensed Star Trek authors works their books round the same story/timeline/universe (Typhon Pact, Destiny, Full Circle novels, the entire SCE series et al all work in the same way referencing each other, and that's tens if not hundreds of books), I figure that's the closest thing we have to a canon continuation, unless you wanna consider Star Trek Online's lovely writing canon.

Besides, I doubt CBS/Paramount is ever gonna do anything with any of the series characters again, so if all these authors have managed to keep the characters going in more or less the same storyline... they've all fleshed out the Romulan War, the post Dominion War era, etc, that the show never went into or probably has any intentions to go into, so...

e: I did forget briefly about that new show Michael Dorn was meant to be working on - when's that gonna be set? Because if that goes completely against the major book's storylines it could be quite comical to see authors getting angry that their work is wasted.

Please tell me more about how what is essentially published fan fiction is canon and how much it means to you that no one challenges this.

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Kitchner
Nov 9, 2012

IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER
Clapping Larry
Sorry guys to interrupt all your gay Sci find talk but even JJ trek is better than all those.

Oh and Picard is better than Kirk.

Peace.

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