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chaosbreather
Dec 9, 2001

Wry and wise,
but also very sexual.

the really funny thing about that nonce's shipartment is after all that effort the okudagram buttons are all misaligned and he's using the wrong typefaces

its crazy because there are plenty of websites devoted to deconstructing the LCARS design language, and he didn't consult any of them

so after all that time and money and molesting it doesn't even look close to authentic

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chaosbreather
Dec 9, 2001

Wry and wise,
but also very sexual.

Kitchner posted:

I think we can a agree that the best non cannon star trek production is unironicslly that advert Riker did for networking software back in the early 90s/late 80s

gently caress you, its galaxy quest and you know its galaxy quest

chaosbreather
Dec 9, 2001

Wry and wise,
but also very sexual.

when commanders sport a beard,
the episode will be revered
when commanders are smooth chinned,
odds are good it can be binned

chaosbreather
Dec 9, 2001

Wry and wise,
but also very sexual.

shadow puppet of a posted:


Well, lets not bother carving out a few pieces to wrap around Ten Forward or anything. Nope, lets never mention this magical, space-proven, constructable, corrosion resistant, plentiful, incredibly strong, sensor-proof and capable of crushing the hull of a starship material ever again.

Whoa hold on there guy

If their weapons can't penetrate it and it's harder than literally anything on the ship, how exactly would you suggest 'carving out a chunk'? Neutronium is the poo poo neutron stars are made of, you know, the single star-sized atomic nucleus? The stuff that you always read those cool quotes about like a teaspoon weighs as much as Mount Everest? Remember, neutrons are bound by the weak nuclear force which shits all over the electromagnetic one. Separating one part from the other is literally nuclear fission.

And even if they remotely had the insane level of technology required to take a chunk, that would mean damaging a relic whose age and value wreck any previous definition of those terms. The creators would have used entire star systems to build that thing, literally demolished stars and planets to make it. Do you think Picard, the passionate archeologist, sworn defender of civilisation, would engage in an act of such extreme desecration to improve his the chances of his ship, already the best in the fleet, in a firefight?

Finally would it improve his chances? The Defiant has it right, it uses ablative armour, which means it's easier to destroy than the ship is. The destruction of the armour uses so much energy than a minimum is transferred to the hull. A stronger material would just channels and focus the blast energy, making the ship far easier to destroy.

chaosbreather
Dec 9, 2001

Wry and wise,
but also very sexual.

The Bible posted:

Neutrons are bound by the Strong Nuclear Force. The Weak Nuclear Force is responsible for radioactive decay.

huh for some reason i thought the strong nuclear force was just for quarks and the weak was for protons-neutrons

thanks, the bible

chaosbreather
Dec 9, 2001

Wry and wise,
but also very sexual.

Orange Sunshine posted:

90% of the human population living permanently in holodecks or laying around all day in a permanent Risa-like vacation, most of them illiterate and stoned on whatever drugs are legal or available.

nah then the vulcans would laugh at us

once you have aliens that can come laugh at you everyone gets off their asses and gets to work

chaosbreather
Dec 9, 2001

Wry and wise,
but also very sexual.

Naxuz posted:

Space combat in Trek only makes sense when you realize that ever since Star Trek 2, the whole thing was literally meant to be Horatio Hornblower in Space, with a large helping of Das Boot. That's why there are no fighters, FTL missiles

whoa whoa whoa what the gently caress do you think a photon torpedo is

you launch that poo poo while you're at warp, those fuckers have warp sustainer engines that kick in

chaosbreather
Dec 9, 2001

Wry and wise,
but also very sexual.

counterfeitsaint posted:

I choose to assume this was some kind of plot to embarrass Dukat, by his arch nemesis, who is a tailor.

OH poo poo NICE

that simple tailor strikes again! that magnificent bastard! holy poo poo

chaosbreather
Dec 9, 2001

Wry and wise,
but also very sexual.

Entropic posted:

The Eugenics Wars wiped out all culture from after whatever was public domain in 1987. And then no new culture was produced since then because, I dunno, Section 31 drugs the water to make everyone boring or something.

julian actually mentions this over lunch to garak in ds9. earth's culture got completely overwhelmed by the literally hundreds of new alien races with millennia of culture and history so now all human stuff is just translation and reinterpretation of theirs and earth has really lost its unique cultural voice

definitely a realistic concern, considering the dramatic change even non-violent introduction of western culture has on uncontacted civs (or, say, japanese culture on nerds)

chaosbreather
Dec 9, 2001

Wry and wise,
but also very sexual.

Mr. Pumroy posted:

when you think about it, in reality we're all just touching electromagnetic fields, man.

yeah, this. you only need to use replicated material if there's a likelihood that you could eclipse the forcefield from its projector. otherwise every single texture, taste and even smell, and even stuff like mass and hardness and moisture is all doable with precise enough control over EM fields at an arbitrary distance

chaosbreather
Dec 9, 2001

Wry and wise,
but also very sexual.

Powered Descent posted:

They already have every new show feature a crewman from a group that was introduced as a blood enemy in a previous one.

TNG? Klingon in Starfleet.
DS9? Ferengi in Starfleet.
Voyager? Maquis in Starfleet.
(Enterprise doesn't count.)

Clearly we're due for a Cardassian ensign. And once that new show introduces the dastardly Zimpoglians, three guesses what the next show will feature!

Seska was Cardassian and she at least had a starfleet field commission

chaosbreather
Dec 9, 2001

Wry and wise,
but also very sexual.

picard would never use the word 'terrible'

chaosbreather
Dec 9, 2001

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but also very sexual.

A federation prison is basically like one of those insanely expensive rehab clinics but it gets you off crime instead of drugs

chaosbreather
Dec 9, 2001

Wry and wise,
but also very sexual.

garak never does anything for just one reason

chaosbreather
Dec 9, 2001

Wry and wise,
but also very sexual.

My two star trek series ideas:

Star Trek: Odysseys
The start of the season opens with crewmen meeting at a bar, celebrating their next assignment together. A small group of them served together in their last disastrous posting that results in their starship/planet/outpost exploding and most of everyone dying, and they tell the story of what happens over the season to their friends. The next season is the survivors from that posting telling the story to the next posting.

Star Trek: Wavefront
The USS Wavefront, NX-42583, is a new trial by Utopia Planetia Shipyards and the Starfleet Corps of Engineers to staff a ship with its original builders and designers, a totally unique ship that will continue to be modified and improved during its 5 year mission to seek out new life forms, buy or barter some technology off them, and pimp their ride a little more to advance the shipbuilding state-of-the-art. The crew of the Wavefront is therefore about half explorers, people who would ordinarily would be exploring strange new worlds but for the last couple of years have been knee-deep in the design and construction of this bold new experiment, and half builders, who have never really been exposed to the danger and excitement of deep space, who have no idea what they're getting their head into.

Half the story would be told in flashback, so while we see the builders experiencing exploration for the very first time, so we get to empathise with them and feel wonder at something that should be special, it's anchored by the career officers trying to adjust to the rough and almost equally stressful conditions of drydock life, dealing for the first time with creative egos clashing to found the friendships and root the technical solutions used in the A plot.

Luna-born ex-spy human captain, Andorian first officer, vulcan science chief, female Ferengi conn officer.

chaosbreather fucked around with this message at 14:43 on Oct 14, 2015

chaosbreather
Dec 9, 2001

Wry and wise,
but also very sexual.

Orange Sunshine posted:

Your show would be titled, Star Trek: Asperger's.

Engineers are boring socially awkward nerds. Nobody wants to watch a show about them. Nobody wants to watch them redesigning the ship all the time. Nobody wants to hear their stories about how they rewired something and made it work better.

You'd have episodes like: the first woman comes on board, and everyone loses their poo poo. Half the crew begins badly flirting with her, the other half treats her like crap because no girls allowed. She finally goes to see Captain Reginald Barclay about the problem. He awkardly flirts with her, she gets angry and leaves the ship for good. The crew realizes they are better off with holodeck women.

Yeah, if Brannon and Braga wrote it.

Part of the show's charm and much of the narrative drive would come from the strong personality clashes and evolving political situations. The solutions to ship problems would never be 'rewiring a thing', it's getting the guy who designed that part to tell someone, anyone, how the gently caress it works so it can be rerouted. Or finding common ground between a structural engineer and a weapons savant. Or mediating a dispute of who gets first authorship on a paper. The utopia planetia and engineer corps both have very different backgrounds and motivations as it is and just that can cause conflicts with the professional starfleet crew who find themselves in a minority and have to learn to work with these people and teach them (and the audience) why they go to space, why they're always moving, as the builders taught them why they're building. Ultimately, that's what show is about : passion.

Key to the shipboard dynamics is the Andorian first officer, Commander Alute Terin. She was the lead designer of Wavefront and a real matriarch of Utopia Planetia, a true legend. She got things done on Utopia Planetia by being every bit as good at dealing with volatile emotional states as she is with volatile antimatter systems. In her view, people are just starships, but less emotional. Her real task is, while her people is welding parts to make a ship, she has to meld people to make a crew.

That's not to say the external dynamics wouldn't be interesting, too: Captain Sherlock S Prichard is a native-born moonman with a talent for inspiring loyalty, even among people who shouldn't trust him. Starfleet Intelligence definitely spotted that as an asset right away, recruited him and trained him to be an excellent operative. But on his last mission, something - we don't know what - went wrong, and he was forced out of Intelligence by the ambassadors involved. He's a very different kind of captain. He doesn't oversee away missions, he handles operatives. He knows the value of truth, as a commodity, of information games. He has a past he needs to redeem, secrets he has to keep, and more than one reason for doing anything.

All of this means a very different show but with the same overall themes as Star Trek: it's still about putting your differences aside and working together but this time its harder and more interesting; it's still about the optimistic future of humanity, but part of that optimism must be diversity not only of race but of personality and motivation; it's still about trying to find peaceful solutions, but sometimes a peaceful solution is a devious one, or an economic one; and it's still about exploration, more than ever, and we would see why we should, beyond instinct. In short, if TNG is a garden, Wavefront would be a jungle. It is a fight against monoculture, both in terms of the show, and both in terms of the in-world motivations behind the Wavefront project.

chaosbreather
Dec 9, 2001

Wry and wise,
but also very sexual.

they're insanely right wing

they're a militia of territorial jingoistic babies screaming about getting off mah land and how big government overlooks the little guy and plots by aliens trying to get them

chaosbreather
Dec 9, 2001

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but also very sexual.

Ambrose Burnside posted:

they are a terrorist militia who feel they were abandoned or betrayed by the Federation and are, from their perspective, defending their homeland. none of that makes them remotely right wing. i mean, the IRA or the PLO are/were also terrorists concerned about the occupiers getting off muh land but nobody would ever pretend they are right wing in the american militia sense

its the future where people don't work to attain material goods any more and they're still love their dead gay planet. there's enough planets for every member of the marquis to have like a hundred but they gotta have that one. they weren't abandoned by the federation, they just didn't want to change planets, even for the peace of the galaxy. they believe the government should have less power over their lives, that's right wing, that's reactionary and conservative. they want the federation to go cause death for a colony that's like as old as my mortgage. they're as tea party as you can get in a classless society

chaosbreather
Dec 9, 2001

Wry and wise,
but also very sexual.

Rutibex posted:

right wing people believe in hierarchy, and obeying proper authority. the maquis are left wing hippy anarchists

i don't think you know what a hippy is, what 'right wing' is, or what 'anarchists' are.

'hippies' are pacifists. that means they don't kill people. the marquis is an armed insurrectionary force.
the 'right wing' are conservatives, people who believe in private ownership and keeping poo poo how it was. the marquis believe they own their planets and want to keep it that way.
'anarchists' are against organisational hierarchies. the marquis clearly have hierarchies. there are council meetings, people have ranks.

the mere fact that the maquis are rebels does not make them left wing. there have been many right wing rebellions in history, including the ill-fated american one (people who thought they should keep all their poo poo like they always did instead of paying tax) that resulted in the present clusterfuck (and them still paying tax).

chaosbreather
Dec 9, 2001

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but also very sexual.

Orange Sunshine posted:

The 50% of the population with sub-100 IQs are not going to be inventing anything, creating or exploring. Well, ok, they'll do the 24th century equivalent of horrible fan fiction, poetry and scrapbooking. Accomplishing things is hard, but cheering a sports team and then feeling a great victory when they win is easy.

Most of the rest will get their inventing/creating/exploring needs met through games, as people do today. Saving or conquering the world in a video game is easy. The creative types will sit around painting pictures and writing stories that even their friends have no interest in, as they do today.

I think your optimistic vision of a post-scarcity future only works if you have a high IQ population and somehow no drugs, and even then half the people don't do poo poo.

The average intelligence of humanity drastically increases just by having regular meals for everyone. It's really sad but it's a fact.

Then add the ability to cure every single disease, be it viral, environmental, genetic or psychological. Add their perfected model of neurocognition allowing provably optimal teaching and parenting.

Then give everyone the ability to anything they want. You don't have to have your childhood dreams of walking on the moon crushed, you can take a field trip there. You can instantly talk to anyone in the federation, any expert you want of a population of geniuses that makes our seven billion mostly starving in the street a rounding error.

Everyone's pretty smart, yo

chaosbreather
Dec 9, 2001

Wry and wise,
but also very sexual.

Orange Sunshine posted:

These people aren't missing any meals, but they've missed the IQ train. And they're not going away in your 24th century future, they're still there, eating and breeding and buying lottery tickets.

They are missing nutrients and a balanced diet though, which do have a causal link to intelligence. But beyond that there are clear environmental conditions that could easily be eliminated given unlimited resources that would ensure if not them then their children will be vastly more intelligent. The relaxed ease which which authorities can monitor and intervene even mechanically in the Federation would mean the type of child abuses typical of that photo would never be allowed to continue.

IQ is different to intelligence, by the way; your IQ is simply how good you are at IQ tests, and like most tests steady practice makes you much better at them while not necessarily increasing your actual applicable intelligence. You might as well say 'Pac Man score'.


quote:

As to curing psychological conditions, I see no evidence of that in Star Trek. Nobody managed to cure Barclay, and numerous seasons of watching Counselor Troi nag people to talk about their feelings doesn't lead me to believe they know anything more than we do about human psychology.

BottledBodhisvata posted:

Even Bashir says that the human brain remains an enduring mystery, so even in the 24th century, the mind is truly the final frontier.

If only the Federation hadn't culled all the religious people, they might have a Buddhist hanging around to explain poo poo to them.

Crusher on the other hand talks about how they mapped the brain when Picard got a headache in The Battle, and Wesley uses a neurological computer model to model the effects of The Game. Bashir, by the way, cyborged Barial's brain, literally knowing the mind so well he can download, emulate and interface with it, and is himself the product of breathtakingly advanced post-natal neurological genetic resequencing so I think he might be a little loving modest. Then there's the illegal but highly functional cyberports that allow brains to interface with computers sabotaged and repaired by Miles in Honor Among Thieves, the time the Doctor literally downloaded a patient's brain into the holodeck to gently caress her, the fact there are Betazeds who can literally read your mind any time and therefore have a complete understanding of your mental state, the existence of universal translators which function by scanning the linguistic centres of the speaker's brain in real time. People know brains and minds pretty good.

Barclay is the least neurotypical baseline-human around. He's just a bit of a shy sperglord. He's not a danger to himself or others. And he gets a bit better every time we see him. That's Federation psychotherapy in action.

chaosbreather
Dec 9, 2001

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but also very sexual.

eSports Chaebol posted:

Yeah every now and then don't they mention stuff like how average 12 year olds are proficient in differential calculus because of course why wouldn't they be?

Yup. Everyone needs an understanding of basic calculus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETt8GJRbqLc

chaosbreather
Dec 9, 2001

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but also very sexual.

Huh. I just realised Julian must have done both Daxs' medicals.

That is super awkward. How do you even deal with that?

chaosbreather
Dec 9, 2001

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but also very sexual.

Uh, you're forgetting Shran, aka, best part of Enterprise there buddy

chaosbreather
Dec 9, 2001

Wry and wise,
but also very sexual.

Everyone is guilty, the puzzle is to figure out who is guilty of what.

chaosbreather
Dec 9, 2001

Wry and wise,
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Nathilus posted:

Speaking of spponheads, Garak is arguably the best chatacter from DS9. Only Quark is even competition.

https://youtu.be/t02v9EUHs30

Arguably? The only argument to be made about Garak is if he's merely the best character on any TV show or actually any medium ever.

chaosbreather
Dec 9, 2001

Wry and wise,
but also very sexual.

Apparently since CBS and Paramont are splitsville, its going to be different to the JJTrek poo poo. I'm hoping they decide to stay in the timeline that the Enterprise came from when they went back in time in First Contact breaking the temporal prime directive like crazy for no reason to create that alternate timeline that only Enterprise, the rest of the movies and the weird supernova that destroyed the galaxy was in.

Or, what if it was set in a bakery? They could talk about yeast and so on.

chaosbreather
Dec 9, 2001

Wry and wise,
but also very sexual.

apparently its the xena guy? so its going to basically just be xena

chaosbreather
Dec 9, 2001

Wry and wise,
but also very sexual.

The Bible posted:

Yes, this would actually be a significant improvement.

What is Jeri Ryan up to these days?

She keeps showing up on things. She was very good on Leverage, and just last week was on Arrow.

chaosbreather
Dec 9, 2001

Wry and wise,
but also very sexual.

So you're saying my toaster, which 'lacks a moral sense', is immoral. In your 'real world'. Sniped anyone on the way to the bank you pathetic psychopath?

chaosbreather
Dec 9, 2001

Wry and wise,
but also very sexual.

Clark Nova posted:

Moral ambiguity? Is everyone forgetting the part where Section 31 tried to genocide all the shapeshifters (including Odo) with biological weapons?

The problem is with the shapeshifters, genocide and assassination are the same thing. In the great link, they're all united under a single consciousness. There is no debate, they are all united. If Odo hadn't gone in and healed them and helped them become someone better literally the only way to stop the Dominion would be genocide. Multi-genocide, too, because every one of their client races have been engineered to be in worship of them or completely dependent on them. That's the key to the whole thing, every single member of the Dominion fights both for the Dominion and their lives, and those two factors are never (except in extreme circumstances) in conflict.

chaosbreather
Dec 9, 2001

Wry and wise,
but also very sexual.

Twenty million is still twelve million after taxes, Daddy!

chaosbreather
Dec 9, 2001

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but also very sexual.

gnarlyhotep posted:

Then again I personally have always thought Roddenberry was a naive ponce.

During WWII he rose to Captain in the Air Force, 394th Bomber Squadron. He piloted B17s and killed nazis and on one occasion his own men by accident. The man was many things but he was not a naive ponce. It's more he saw the horrors of war up close and so demanded humanity find peace and enlightenment, forced it down their throats because he could never figure out how we'd have it otherwise.

chaosbreather
Dec 9, 2001

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but also very sexual.

MikeJF posted:

To be fair, they seemed to use the Bat'leth when they were being ceremonial and poo poo and the D'k tahg (the knife with the pop-out bits) or the Mek'leth when they wanted to actually get stuff done

Yeah betleHmey are for honour duels and the like. qeylIS forged the first betleH to topple a dictatorship: it's more a weapon to kill governments than individual people.

chaosbreather
Dec 9, 2001

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Tighclops posted:

lol gently caress everything then

yeah holy poo poo burn every city to the ground

chaosbreather
Dec 9, 2001

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IncredibleIgloo posted:

Maybe if the new Trek series is a big hit it may prompt some interest in the older series as well.

lol nice try viral marketer

maybe if everyone buys enough jar jar dolls they'll do a HD release of theatrical star wars

chaosbreather
Dec 9, 2001

Wry and wise,
but also very sexual.

Tujague posted:

I'm sure some goon knows the straight dope on why Farrell got canned, but I think if it had happened two seasons earlier and they had more time for Ezri's character to settle in (and break up with Bashir and face more of the horrors of war and give Sisko a new, different kind of chummy advice) it would have been good for the show. Farrell also got canned from that Ted Danson show and was cast as The Cat in the unbelievably crappy American version of Red Dwarf, too, so maybe she's just bad luck or terrible or something.

she left, to do becker. they weren't happy about it

chaosbreather
Dec 9, 2001

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but also very sexual.

I think her symbiont should have been replaced by a changeling and she gets all hosed up

that would have been cool

chaosbreather
Dec 9, 2001

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but also very sexual.

BottledBodhisvata posted:

JJ didn't care about Trek, he cares about Star Wars. That's the hope, anyway. A new hope, if you will.

or A NU START

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chaosbreather
Dec 9, 2001

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Snatch Duster posted:

according to the expanded universe
available in the Star Wars expanded universe as well.
One source fan fiction
They rely on fan fiction to determine their exact location see fan fiction In non-canon such as Empire at War
The Empire in Star Wars is a some guys in a ball and like a dozen ships
Very little improvement can be seen between the time of the non canon/non canon seen in non canon
they non canon from expanded universe
The Force... is midiclorians

well according to star trek fan fiction wesley is picard's gently caress slave?

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