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Chomskyan posted:I actually give zero fucks! I'm just pointing out how idiotic it is to claim the CA is something Maduro just made up, or something illegal. It's not, it's in the consitution. Also, there was a fair election, the fascists just boycotted it. Sorry! Starving a population to own the right wing. Booyah Lol “fair election”. Some serious communist coloured glasses you are wearing.
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ChaseSP posted:he'd take the aid and sell it off beforeditching the country. Also too prideful to admit there are major issues. Hmm sounds like hes a bad leader? Maybe they should get rid of him.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:There isn't any conceivable future where things are going to get better for Venezuela so long as the United States keeps turning the screws. There isn't any concievable future where things get better for Venezuela with Maduro in power.
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uninterrupted posted:Also, here's the problem with everyone yelling 'listen to Venezuelans': the majority of loud Venezuelans on twitter are wealthy expats who will loudly lie about the state of the country: I don't get the whole 'lying about the state of the country' argument. Do you honestly think that things are good in Venezuela and its a socialist paradise? There is no corrupt government and everyone has enough food??? Maduro claims there is not humanitarian crisis. But every NGO and the western media agrees there is. Who is lying? vincentpricesboner fucked around with this message at 16:51 on Jan 26, 2019 |
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uninterrupted posted:If you're going to ignore people who've actually gone to Venezuela you should at least also ignore people who don't live there. Why are you quoting posts from 2016 when people are discussing the state of Venezuela today? The commie trolling is just getting blatant as this point.
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uninterrupted posted:Find another news organization willing to state what the opposition was actually banned for instead of handwaving it and we can look at that. You realize Venezuelanalysis was literally founded as a government funded propaganda arm right?
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Venezuela has become one of the most dangerous countries in the world , with rampant corruption ,massive food shortages and hyper inflation. And most of this happened in the past five years. There are mass protests and the citizenry demanding change. The rest of the world (besides Putin) says the country is in crisis. The misery index for the country rates it as the most rapidly declining country, by a ten factor over the next worse. But the tankies in this thread think they know better. Because they really identified with dying in Stalingrad when they played call of duty in college while they were studying Marxism. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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I don't know why its so hard for the tankies to wrap their heads around that 1 - you can think the USA has a terrible record on influencing other countries regime change but also 2 - Venezuela is in fact in a humanitarian crisis and needs a regime change
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Jan 28, 2019 23:58
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DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:ah yes the surest way to improve a humanitarian crisis is to kickstart a civil war, as we learned in the humanitarian crises used as casus belli in every American military intervention of the past 70 years, and especially most recently in Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, etc. I would love to hear what the people that are pro-maduro think the country should do to stop the humanitarian crisis. Or how many of you are denialists that think the country is doing ok.
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Isn't calling a coup illegal pretty loving redundant? Now tell me how Stalin didn't need a regime change either.
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Chomskyan posted:Explain to me why Macron doesn't need a regime change Good thing France has free elections. Now what is different about Venezuela? Also how much starvation is going on in France?
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A Typical Goon posted:Should we also do regime change in Saudi Arabia and America due to their culpability in the famine in Yemen? Saudi Arabia doesn't have a free democracy, so yes. But we aren't talking about all the other lovely countries in the world. Good whataboutism. Do you guys think actual Venezuelans believe they had a free chance to vote for whomever they wanted? They did the whole 'move the polling locations at this last minute' bullshit even.
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Chomskyan posted:This has already been covered earlier in the thread. The 2018 elections were fair, the opposition just boycotted because they were afraid they'd lose lol Just because you and a few other tankies believe it was fair doesn't change what actually happened and the mass opinion of real Venezuelans that they couldn't vote freely. But yes, keep telling them about how they should starve because commie reasons. Also lol at this "Because of this, European Union,[12][13] the Organization of American States, the Lima Group[14] and countries such as Australia and the United States rejected the electoral process.[15][16] However, countries such as China, Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Russia, Syria, Turkey and others recognized the election result.[17]" What is in common with the ones that recognized the election results?
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I'm gonna go ahead and never try to be on the same side as North Korea, China and Russia on virtually any issue. But sure, keep up the good fight against all those starving people while you are rich and fat in the USA.  (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Maduro is literally one of the most incompetent rulers of a country in modern history, and unless they end up electing hitler or stalin I don't see how the citizens of Venezuela end up in a worse position then they are now, because right now they have some of the worst hunger and violence in the world in a country that was prosperous only 10 years ago. This guy's incompetence and corruption has lead to the starving of his people. Any change is good at this point. He hosed over loving corn production so it just dropped 85% in 3 years because he didnt order enough seeds. Keeping him in office is a death sentence to the good people of the country. You could literally get AirBud the basketball playing dog in power and he would cause less harm through negligence or fraud. There is a reason why there are mass protests. Its not just ex-Venezuelans posting on twitter. Its the people starving in country. vincentpricesboner fucked around with this message at 02:00 on Feb 2, 2019 |
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Kurnugia posted:yes, i do. i most certainly and definately believe in the right of a nation or an individual to default on their debts. it is called bankruptcy, and you using that as a cause for foreign invasion makes we want to throw up. gently caress off with that imperialist poo poo I really don't think you have an idea of what any of the numbers are really like. Its not a small minority that wants Maduro out. It wasn't a small minority that were doing well 10 years ago. Its not a small minority that is starving now. These are things that most people experienced. Its a big deal. Its not small fractions. The country has had near infinite inflation, coupled with shocking increases in hunger and violence. Its affecting everyone. You can't just blame everything on the USA. Its not like they would be living in this communist paradise if it wasnt for the USA meddling in their poo poo. Its Maduro that either is so retarded or arrogant he has destroyed his country, or he is just so corrupt he ruined it. He isn't some bus driving folk hero just doing whats best for his citizens. He is a thief or an idiot, or probably both. vincentpricesboner fucked around with this message at 02:38 on Feb 2, 2019 |
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Presenting Nipples posted:At this point this thread is mostly people stanning for Trump, there isn't point in debating people who only trust sources they agree with and dismisses any information they don't agree with as 'pro-Maduro'. They are too cowardly to say they support Trump's policy of starvation, so they just feign ignorance. Even if somehow "trumps sanctions" were the dominant reason that Venezuela is in the tank right now (it isn't), if they were lifted tomorrow the country would still be facing hyperinflation, high levels of violence and mass hunger for years to come because of an incompetent and corrupt government. Stop trying to pretend that Maduro isn't a mass failure and if it wasnt for that meanie trump it would be a land of red glory otherwise.
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GoLambo posted:Death to the apartheid state of Israel. Holy poo poo. Take this trash to another thread. This is Venezuela discussion.
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I sorta get the whole ‘devil you know’ theory, but when the devil you know is a dictator who is robbing his country while it starves....
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PT6A posted:Would it work if the government/external groups paid food producers the difference between the market price of food, and the price-controlled price of food? That way they'd have incentive to produce, and food wouldn't immediately become super expensive. Obviously it's not a strategy that's sustainable in the long term, but it seems like it would help stabilize things in the short term without having people starve because they can't afford food. Hell, there was an available strategy for the past few years to prevent his people from starving, accept international aid. Food is incredibly cheap in most of the world (compared to Venezuela) , and they offered to send millions of pounds of food to the country. Maduro might have damaged a lot of those relationships by being an arrogant jackass about aid for many years though.
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Bob le Moche posted:Everything that comes from my nation's state media and corporate and capitalist-owned media is objective and unbiased, everything that comes from the bad scary foreign media channels is fake news and should be immediately dismissed no matter the content. I am very smart and a critical thinker and not at all an ideal docile subject of my national ruling class. This post brought to you by venezuelaanaylsis.com ! copyright 2019.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Let us remember that venezuela was never socialist to begin with therefore it cannot be used to as an example of a failed socialist. I dunno anytime you end up with a country with mass government corruption, a failed industry and a fat dictator, aren't you by law a socialist state? Has there been a socialist state yet that didn't end up like that?
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Lambert posted:Have there even been many socialist states? Or any? Cuba? Vietnam? Korea? USSR? China? Or is this a 'no true scotsman' thing whooshing over my head?
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Bob le Moche posted:Everyone in this thread absolutely definitely does not already agree with this, come on. I was responding to the discussion in the preview few posts. Almost all the posters in this thread DO NOT support US foreign policy. You can agree with that and also agree that Maduro needs to go.
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Furia posted:Which business was it? What country? What status are you talking about? Iran. A pretty loving seriously garbage country. Sanctions against Iran by Obama were a good thing. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8417239.stm
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uninterrupted posted:The Venezuelan Supreme Court said he’s not the legitimate president. That’s pretty much the end of the conversation as far as how legal the coup is. Incredible that a bunch of wealthy Venezuelans want the legal analysis of a bunch of Americans to overrule real Venezuelans, who overwhelmingly support their democratically elected president. You realize the "wealthy Venezuelans" you keep talking about aren't the people that want government changing because they are literally starving right? The "wealthy Venezuelans" are Maduro and about 1000 of his high ranking officials. They want to keep the status quo. Because the country is being run into the ground stealing from the mouths of the real citizens.
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uninterrupted posted:You mean like beyond the fact that nearly all the “real Venezuelans” in this thread supporting the coup don’t live in Venezuela anymore? Nvm. Obvious troll at this point pretending that whether or not regular people are starving is up for debate. Educate yourself. People are losing 20 lbs a year and the majority of the population has to skip a meal a day. Time to get blocked troll.
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:fantastic. so I assume you're going to support the people attempting to avert that outcome, then. Not if its the same people that are supporting the status quo of starvation and corruption. Its too bad Maduro can't see the writing on the wall and just step down so there can be a real election and he can leave the country before things get worse.
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:agreed. Also, if Guaido cared about his people, he wouldn't have made it crystal clear that he is operating as an extension of Washington DC in Caracas by waiting for Pence's blessing to try to launch his coup. So you have a tainted water supply for a city. You don't want to hire a new water inspector because he might be lovely too. Your solution is to keep pouring out poison water, because who knows how bad the new inspector might be?
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:turns out people let aid workers move around a lot more freely than they let random strangers move around. there was a fun case a few years back where they caught them impersonating Red Cross officials issuing vaccinations. as a result of which, there are segments of the world where "vaccines are part of an American plot to destroy your government" is not an insane conspiracy theory but a cold hard statement of fact. every international aid agency condemned this in the strongest possible terms, but, well. that in one hand, poo poo in the other, see which one weighs more. Umm. are you sure this wasn't the exact plot of "Spy Game" staring Brad Pitt? Are you doing a Frank Reynolds and Rambo thing here?
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Truga posted:this, but unironically. Reminds me of (stupid call of duty mission video) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) Somebody fucked around with this message at 01:22 on Feb 9, 2019 |
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Bob le Moche posted:Wow, could this be real, could capitalist-owned corporate western media be publishing propaganda stories to build justification for intervention in Venezuela? No way, I thought only Russia Today and Telesur had an agenda, because they're owned by foreigners. Everyone knows all the compagnies owned by white westerners are objective and unbiased, and any story coming from them can be shared by very smart people in this thread without need for any critical perspective or fact-checking. Comparing the bbc to Russia times. Really?
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Truga posted:Fair point, the entire UK media sphere should be compared to RT at this point lmao Do you believe there is any good MSM left or we should just be sourcing all of our news from twitter threads and infowars?
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Conspiratiorist posted:The BBC is basically Fox News. Gray is basically black if you think about it. 
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Spacedad posted:Venezuela was already in trouble before the US & its allies put further sanctions on their oil, making a bad problem many times worse. If the US really cared about averting the suffering of the Venezuelan people they could lift those sanctions. But they don't. Getting people to suffer is the point. This is about starving out and turning people against a regime they want to change They are already starving. Theres a very real possibility the sanctions are going to cause less net harm because it could lead to less years that Maduro remains in power as a dictator.
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Spacedad posted:The problems originally caused by the lowered price of oil have been exacerbated by Trump's sanctions in august 2017 that caused a massive decline in oil production in Venezuela, compared to Columbia's production. Maduro has done a lot more than 5% to it his own people. But yeah, lets keep this crazy fat gently caress in charge.
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Spacedad posted:If you aren't going to refute the argument then that's pretty much all that can be said about this. Also nice alt account, first post ever in this thread yesterday eh?
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